A US State Department report that accuses the Chinese government of expanding disinformation efforts is “in itself disinformation,” Beijing’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed Saturday.
The ministry shot back after the State Department issued a striking report this week in which it accused the Chinese government of expanding efforts to control information and to disseminate propaganda and disinformation that promotes “digital authoritarianism” in China and around the world.
The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”
It also underlined US concerns about China as a main military competitor and key rival in the battle over ideas and global disinformation.
Fits this to a T.
T as in Trumpist
This is exactly what I was looking for.
No u
Nuh uh
This is funny. It also reflects in Lemmy. For example, take this tankie comment claiming “zelensky made having peace negotiations with putin ILLEGAL”, based on an article which says “Zelensky’s decree released Tuesday declares that holding negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin has become impossible after his decision to annex four regions of Ukraine.”
Then watch how mods from lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml ban users and delete comments which question their narrative.
Cherry on top: A user from this curated bubble remarks that “Nobody actually has any argument against this”, because of course they are shielded from comments who pointed out the inaccuracy of the claim, and don’t question it themselves.
Compare yourself:
- lemm.ee version: https://lemm.ee/comment/3929526
- lemmygrad.ml version: https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2389500
Now read that comment in the basement of this thread again:
Understand we American make more lie for pleasure and entertaining. Not chinese lie. China always with great truth.
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Had to open the links up in web version to see the difference. Ngl, it’s something I expected lemmygrad to do. I’m glad to be on lemm.ee. I love the admins and their transparency and how their policies are democratically decided like when we voted to defederate Threads.
I also think there is nothing wrong with stuff like this and it’s what lemmy was made for. If one instance doesn’t like something, they can remove it, other instances may still want to see it, if members don’t like it, they can move or have their own instance but can still interact. It’s the beauty of decentralization.
comments which question their narrative.
But don’t you see that’s NATO propaganda. Want proof? Have a look at who posted it.
They are correct though whether you want to accept that or not. Zelensky has rejected peace talks because he is deranged and thinks he can take back Crimea. This user just put that in a weird way saying it’s illegal.
Although he has made opposition parties illegal, and reporting against the war illegal as well. He has arrested a US citizen named Gonzalo Lira for his reporting
This user just put that in a weird way saying it’s illegal.
Exactly, legal/illegal is a well defined term. The president of Ukraine rejecting something does not make it “ILLEGAL”.
Then go to Ukraine and speak out against his conditions for peace talks. You’ll be arrested.
Do the same in Russia about Russian terms and you’ll have the same treatment, if you don’t fall from a window beforehand.
Zelensky has rejected peace talks because he is deranged and thinks he can take back Crimea.
Zelensky had been talking a lot with Russia while Crimea was occupied, while they already occupied parts of Luhansk and Donetsk (by proxy). Even after the 2022 there were talks, you might remember the pictures of delegations sitting around a table in Belarus.
If you had read the article in question (or in fact OP’s comment) you would’ve seen that it said:
Zelensky’s decree released Tuesday declares that holding negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin has become impossible after his decision to annex four regions of Ukraine.
Now, I will grant that yes of course that was a political move. He was known to be a Russia-friendly president, elected (among other things) because people thought Poroshenko was too heavy-handed. Such a declaration simply makes clear to the Ukrainian people that he’s drawing a line in the sand, that his patience with Russia has ended.
And can you fucking blame him Russia just annexed four regions. How much talking do you think, say, Vietnam would do if China annexed four of their provinces or whatever they’re called.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The ministry shot back after the State Department issued a striking report this week in which it accused the Chinese government of expanding efforts to control information and to disseminate propaganda and disinformation that promotes “digital authoritarianism” in China and around the world.
The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”
It also underlined US concerns about China as a main military competitor and key rival in the battle over ideas and global disinformation.
“The relevant center of the US State Department which concocted the report is engaged in propaganda and infiltration in the name of ‘global engagement’ – it is a source of disinformation and the command center of ‘perception warfare’,” the ministry said on Saturday.
Referring to wars in Iraq and Syria as well as US reports alleging human rights abuses in China’s Xinjiang as examples, the ministry claimed that the US is “an ‘empire of lies’ through and through.”
“No matter how the US tries to pin the label of ‘disinformation’ on other countries, more and more people in the world have already seen through the US’s ugly attempt to perpetuate its supremacy by weaving lies into ‘emperor’s new clothes’ and smearing others,” the ministry said.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
US says China is spewing disinformation.
“No u” Says China.
The original article contains 263 words, the summary contains 10 words. Saved 96%. I’m a regular guy and I’m kinda just kidding!
Good guy!
I feel like we could all save a lot of money on diplomats and ministers by just getting a bunch of toddlers to shout “no u” at each other until the end of time.
I feel like this would be easier to settle if the report came with specific examples of narratives originating from Chinese troll farms with metadata supporting their general origin.
Shit even pegging it to tankies known to be sympathetic to the CCP would probably be sufficient
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@goldenlocks @MicroWave
Zelensky is clearly not the only one to decide here, this is not russia, so keep your insults for yourself
US does the same thing, they just use Israel as a proxy.
Another case of projection. At least they’re honest about why they are projecting, they’re losing their grip on monopolizing the global stage.
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It’s a right of passage.
The US would never dream of trying to “shape the global information environment”. Right guys ?
Gettin real sick of the forum sliding into “but America bad too” every time there’s a post about China doing shady shit on here.
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Bad propaganda troll
Cool.
I’m getting sick of idiots chastising China for what the US does.
Guess we both have to deal with it, huh?
But you don’t get sick of the endless “China bad” articles, huh?
Lol endless? I maybe see a few posts a week about China while the majority of my feed is American politics and American tech ragebait articles. And I never see people like you on those posts saying “wEll wHaT aBoUt ChInA!!1!”.
Probably because the American political articles are highly specific about American issues (e.g. abortion, debt ceiling, guns, etc). Meanwhile articles like these are all about bashing China for doing what the US does even harder.
No, china is endlessly bad. If you think otherwise youre dumb and should just move to a tofudreg highrise in china.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse
“It’s only bad when china does it.” - you
It happened once somewhere else, so it’s not a problem that its a real problem in china - you
I never said it wasn’t a problem in China.
It’s a problem anywhere it happens, that’s where you and I diverge.
Hence my original point of: “It’s only bad when China does it” -you
No, it’s bad and a Chinathing because in China it is common enough to have it’s own neologism.
It is common. It is widespread. It is being censored by the CCP.The US doesnt ban articles talking about highrises collapsing because of corruption.
Hilarious. I joined lemmy because of the thousands of anti China posts all over reddit. So obviously state department influenced.
And I’m guessing you joined lemmy.world because hexbear kept getting defederated? Go back there
What is hexbear? I’ve seen it mentioned but nice try assuming about me. You made an ass out of yourself.
Haha I made an ass of myself? K
Yeah, you did.
This person has a different perspective on world politics and propaganda efforts by the US, therefore they are a tankie.
This is the kind of one-sided, idiotic comment that leads to stifling of actual discussion of geopolitical issues like this, where different perspectives are much needed in this hyper-radicalized landscape.
You are directly contributing to the kind of radicalism that you so despise, because you react to a comment based on emotion and pre-judgement, rather than actually thinking critically about what is being said and responding with helpful criticism or perspective. Fucking hypocrite, shame on you.
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The people are split on your comment… Have fun watching CNN uncritically.
Unfortunately those rats have set up base here too. If it’s one thing the US is good at, it’s at setting up bases everywhere.
Of course not! America is democratic and free, see, it’s written in this here Constitution so it must be true.
Dear, thank you for read this one. Understand we American make more lie for pleasure and entertaining. Not chinese lie. China always with great truth.
Make Glory for America Again, fellow american!
Brooo 💀
This has to be a joke. I’m in stitches LMAO
“fellow American!” 🤣 pleeeaase
I take it English is a second language for you, comrad.
The US has found a really good dog whistle for “opinions and facts I disagree with.” Everything is disinformation! Some of it is Democrat disinformation (“fake news”), some of it is Republican disinformation (“wrong”), and some of it is foreign disinformation (“makes other country look good and America look bad”). Welcome to the state of modern American journalism, I guess.
For what it’s worth, China doesn’t really need to spend billions of dollars on disinformation abroad because (1) The Great Firewall exists (so foreign disinformation has no domestic impact), (2) China has almost always adopted the “actions speak louder than words” strategy that better aligns with Chinese culture, and (3) China has also taken that view on foreign policy in that it uses the actions of other countries to determine their positions rather than their stated views.
Frankly, a lot of people are applying Western views on Chinese culture without taking a step back and asking themselves WHY there’s such a big gap between what they expect and reality.
disinformation has no domestic impact
Ow, my head.
A significant contributor to the deadliest man-made disaster in the history of mankind was domestic disinformation in China.
Edit: I misread the comment and didn’t see the preceding word ‘foreign’. In hindsight my original comment doesn’t make sense given this context. I don’t agree with OP’s comment though. They seem to rely on the idea that, ‘China is special and unique (unlike you troglodytes)’, as an explanation for how the government behaves in international politics.
I think a different poster explained the CCP’s sophisticated methodology better: “no u”.
They were clearly referring to online foreign disinformation, not domestic disinformation.
Yeah, my bad. It’s clear I got stuck on that one point.
Precisely. Everyone has domestic disinformation, but it’s a domestic issue.
That has no relation to the issue of foreign disinformation. Whataboutism, much?
The only reason why they would block “foreign disinformation” is absolutely not so that they don’t need to spread misinformation themselves. It’s so that their disinformation has no competition.
Again, that’s a domestic issue and not a foreign one.
Half the article was about domestic…
This is the main source used for the article.
The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”
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