that’s what happens when the state is run by religion.
Praise be!
Red states need young dumb voters. This is how they get them.
It’s also how they get more dead mothers, disabled infants, and infants who die shortly after birth
Just like in the days of the founding fathers! Praise be!
But Blaine Conzatti, president of the Idaho Family Policy Center and a leading anti-abortion lobbyist, is not bothered by the lack of government support. Pregnancies, births and child care are not the purview of the government, he said, but of families, communities, charities and, most of all, churches.
See? See the pivot there? Look carefully!
Pregnancies, births, and childcare are not the purview of the gov’t. …Except that pregnancy is the purview of the gov’t when it comes to the right to terminate an unwanted or unviable pregnancy. It’s clear and obvious hypocrisy. from the religious crowd.
If it’s all the responsibility of the families and government support is gone, they should not be surprised if people go back to fraternities, sororities and other social organisations of mutual support. You already see that happening with unions who were historically connected to these organizations. Governments don’t like those.
“The Bible is clear, and the history of Christendom broadly is clear, that it’s the church’s responsibility to meet the needs of the poor and to ensure that people have the services that they need to live flourishing lives,” Conzatti said.
Besides just the practical craziness of the idea that you have to belong to a church to get social services, I don’t think the Bible makes it clear at all that social services are the church’s responsibility and not the state’s.
That’s what we call the separation of Church and State!
Idaho said “Uthahoe”!
But in all seriousness this is fuked on all levels…
i’ve heard nurses acroos the US are getting hit up to deliver babies because so many health professionals are leaving Idurrho.
Shouldn’t be too long before we see the 1st red state to criminalize medical providers leaving the state.
What’s more likely to happen is they will loosen the rules as to who can be a “medical provider.”
For those who don’t know, not sure there are many left who don’t, but Idaho is a trash state run by neo-Christofascists who routinely force children to die for “religious” reasons, even when it is only a grandparent making a stink. It is not just red, it is so red that the blood of Christ looks as blue as it really is.
Back in the day, I’d get a sim into a room, then replace the door with wall and wait for them to cry about having to pee. Then laugh my ass off when the sim eventually peed on the floor… I can’t say what made me think of that.
These politicians are probably a bit older than me, so perhaps they used to get their rocks off with a magnifier and an ant hill.
Turns out you don’t have to support new mothers to encourage childbirth if you just ban the alternative. Forced birth without the courtesy of a reach-around.
Of course, that dampens the mood for consensual sex a bit so they’ll just need to tone down some laws and look the other way on issues of sex trafficking and xl child brides…
Republicans have become just the absolute worst and condemn things while taking active steps to ensure they happen. Much like abortion. Best way to reduce abortion rates is sex education and birth control, but you can’t reduce abortion like that! No, ban birth control, give no support to new mothers, and then act outraged when coat hanger abortions make a big resurgence and blame the women like somehow no one could predict exactly what would happen.
Blame the dead women, you mean.
Roe was passed based on privacy, which is reason enough, imo. People don’t need to know other people’s business and some dipshit busybody aspiring HOA presidents opinion shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as a medical professionals.
Roe passed the court on privacy but Roe passed public opinion because of the many many deaths from back alley alternatives. Roe was about saving women’s lives. Conservatives can bemoan the lost fetuses but losing the women is worse. The women cant go on and have other children if they’re dead.
My grandmother was taught by her mother. My mother by my grandmother. My sisters were spared this dark legacy thanks to Roe.
I mentioned Roe and privacy one time around my Grandmother. Unbeknownst to me, gran used to protest and I’m supposing, burn her bra’s, cuz she went red immediately and set me right. The kind of mad that made my mom admonish me even tho she didn’t even hear what I said, it was just THAT tone. Grandma only got that fired up one other time- when I said McCartney was more talented than Lennon, but I’ll die on that hill, sorry Gran.
They were both riding the coattails of the truly talented Harrison. I prefer Lennon if it’s between him and McCarthy.
Harrison wrote all my favorite Beatles songs. I wrote em out when I was in my late teens and looked it up, every single one written by Harrison.
Cruelty is the point.
Gee who could’ve guessed
why is america reverting itself to the dark ages?
Conservatives throughout history adore the dark ages of Europe. That was the peak of their power; the population was uneducated, worshiped the wealthy as kings and queens, and the people were too poor and stupid to do anything about it.
There’s a reason why the church hierarchy mirrors the structure of medieval feudal governments. It is one.
Religion and religion mixed with politics, mostly.
It’s weird because conservative christians are some of the most evil people I know. It doesn’t make sense.
The difference between an atheist and a christian fundamentalist is that the atheist is at least honest about not believing in Christ.
Because otherwise people might get silly ideas about equality and the state owing then a decent standard of living.
It’s all about punishing women.
I see many other liberals interpret this sort of policy as hypocritical (and therefore as evidence that conservatives have some sort of hidden motive) but don’t think that it is. There’s no inherent contradiction between opposing abortion and believing that current levels of government support for parents are too high. IMO conservatives generally believe exactly what they say that they believe: abortion is morally wrong and people aren’t entitled to government assistance.
There’s no inherent contradiction between opposing abortion and believing that current levels of government support for parents are too high.
But we (and they) know that reducing government support for pregnant women increases the number of abortions.
So they profess to wanting to “save lives” by ending abortions, while doing something that increases rhe number of abortions.
How exactly is that not hypocrasy?
It’s not hypocrisy in the same way that the Pope’s opposition to both birth control and abortion isn’t hypocrisy: the ends don’t justify the means. I assume you think of government support for pregnant women as a good thing, but a lot of conservatives appear to disagree with you. To them, abortion is bad, government “handouts” are bad, and even if abortion is worse than handouts, doing a bad thing to prevent an even worse thing is wrong.
It’s not hypocrisy in the same way that the Pope’s opposition to both birth control and abortion isn’t hypocrisy
That is also hypocrisy, thanks for another great example.
I assume you think of government support for pregnant women as a good thing
That is literally what the government is for, to support its citizens, yes.
but a lot of conservatives appear to disagree with you.
They also disagree with climate change and the earth being more than 6000 years old. Doesn’t make them right, or any less hypocritical.
Sure but they are wrong. People are entitled to government assistance. That is why we pay taxes in the first place. If a government can’t be relied on to help their citizens when they are in need then they shouldn’t be taking their fucking money. They can’t have it both ways.
no inherent contradiction between opposing abortion and believing that current levels of government support for parents are too high.
Apparently they are unaware of how high the infant mortality rate is in the US vs elsewhere.. They’re unaware how high maternal mortality rates in the US are vs other countries.
Because I’m sure if they knew these facts, which were true before Roe v Wade was overturned and women had access to abortion and other options, these “pro-life” folks would certainly be concerned about the life of mother and child and take action to ensure adequate pre- and post-natal support for both.
Surely they were merely ignorant of these facts (that I found in two minutes) and just didn’t think to check for any of this before yanking this support, right? They must instinctively know how much is too much. I’m sure it’s not because they think only certain people deserve support by way of affording it. Because, gosh, that* would be truly ghastly. And they’re nothing if not moral and upstanding protectors of all life equally, right?
I mean why would they even consider death rates anyway. Who could ever foresee that less support could cause health problems including death? Surely only God himself could’ve anticipated such a thing.
Dude,
Then conservatives should stop crying about population decline or how people aren’t having kids
