Apparently Halloweens 4-6 form something of a trilogy, so before I tackle that, I decided on a nice palate cleanser in the form of rewatching Ghostbusters (1984).

I don’t have anything to say about this movie that hasn’t been said before. It’s great. Dan Aykroyd and Harold Ramis are just phenomenally funny people, and their script remains one of the most quotable of all time. Bill Murray is Bill Murray (more on that in a second). I always appreciate seeing Sigourney Weaver, and her portrayal of Zuul Dana is delicious. The real stars of the film for me though are the excellent effects, both practical and special. There are so many cool set pieces, and every ghoulie that we see has a distinct design and characterization to them (admittedly there aren’t that many, but it’s still great, the zombie cab driver cracks me up every time).

The plot follows Peter Venkman (Bill Murray), disgraced parapsychologist, and his colleagues Ray Stantz (Dan Aykroyd) and Egon Spengler (Harold Ramis) as they address a growing wave of supernatural phenomena in the New York area. Venkman is an asshole. Like, full stop. He’s a gross, condescending creep who abuses any position of authority given to him to harass women as his first priority, at all times. Maybe the only real flaw in this movie is that it treats Venkman’s behavior as cute because it’s Bill Murray, which is harder and harder to swallow as the general consensus on Murray continues to shift over the years. I enjoy Bill Murray the most when his characters are handled by the film with the understanding that he is being an asshole, as in The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (2004), or Rushmore (1998), or really any Wes Anderson movie now that I think about it. He’s very funny in Ghostbusters, in exactly the same way as he’s funny in those movies, but this movie asks us to condone his behavior in a way that the others don’t. That’s all I’ll say about the confluence of real-life Bill Murray and screen Bill Murray, because it’s genuinely not that hard to enjoy this movie even if you know that he was probably a raging asshole the whole time they were making it.

Ray and Egon are true believers, and serious men of science in contrast to Venkman’s lazy skepticism. After they collectively experience their first confirmed supernatural phenomenon they are all generally on the same page about the existence of the ghosts, though Venkman continues to offer sardonic one liners during each encounter because that is his primary function in the script. The three men go into business together after Venkman is expelled from the university where he works (presumably for all manner of unethical relations with students, given the ESP ‘trial’ we see him administering at the beginning of the film) and set up shop in an abandoned fire station. They hire a delightful receptionist played by Annie Potts, and eventually add Winston Zeddmore (Ernie Hudson, who I last saw in Leviathan) to help them run the place, and swiftly go about taking calls.

Sigourney Weaver plays Dana, a woman who’s very apartment rests at the nexus of dark forces marshalled by Gozer the Gozerian, an ancient Sumerian demigod. Rick Moranis plays Louis, Dana’s obnoxious chatterbox of a neghbor. He is so ridiculous, and one of the absolute funniest scenes in the movie depicts a party that he’s hosting, in which he roams around obliviously airing out everyone’s dirty laundry and essentially calling them rubes to their faces (before being chased out of the room by a gargoyle dog thing). Dana good-naturedly humors him throughout the film, and she is the client around whom the plot revolves. She initially seeks out the Ghostbusters after spectral activity in her apartment causes eggs to go flying and a bizarre portal to open in the back of her refrigerator (where she first hears the name ‘Zuul’). Venkman agrees to investigate for purely prurient reasons, and snarks at her the entire time as though he doesn’t actually believe in the supernatural, when he very much does.

Over a period of weeks or months, the Ghostbusters take on dozens of cases, and develop a level of fame and notoriety. We get to see some of these early jobs, and they are whirlwinds of physical comedy, great effects, and deadpan snark from everyone. I think this sequence is what paved the way for the cartoons, and I would have enjoyed a live-action Ghostbusters series that was played like an action-comedy X-Files, where they responded to different kinds of hauntings and apparitions each week. I’m aware that that’s exactly what the cartoons were, but the movie has a level of slightly more adult comedy (and not just in crassness, some of the best jokes in this movie just flew over my head as a kid because I had no context for them) that I think would have been easier to sell to adults in live-action.

The excellently hateable William Atherton plays a stiff-necked EPA investigator with an axe to grind, and he serves as the closest thing to an antagonist in the film, at least until Gozer is released. It is his attempt to shut down the Ghostbusters that ends up releasing their vault of captured spectres, setting up the conditions for Gozer’s return. Zuul Dana and Rick Moranis turn into gargoyles, and Gozer appears in the form of an adrogynous woman with kind of a David Bowie vibe going on. The boys in grey do battle with the Gozerian, but to no avail, and it demands to know what form it shall take to destroy them. We all know what happens next. Something I thought was neat is that in an earlier scene Dana has a bag of Stay-Puft marshmallows on the counter, next to the exploding eggs, so they are established as an in-universe brand prior to Ray summoning the 100-ft Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man to terrorize Central Park.

This is just a fun, hilarious movie. I wrote down like three pages of quotes to work into this write-up, but honestly you should just go watch it for yourself, even if you’ve seen it before (especially if you’ve seen it before, there are so many fun little details and I notice new ones every time). 4.5/5 stars, because Bill Murray can be a dick, but only if we acknowledge that he is one, and otherwise this is a perfect movie.

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    Venkman carries thorazine around with him. Just in case.

    It’s grimly amusing to watch this movie now vs 4 decades ago. Venkman in the 80s is a lovable rogue. Venkman seen through the lens of 2023 is an abusive asshole who might drug women. He uses his position of power to lie his way into getting “dinner” with a young woman.

    How much of that is Murray rather than the character?

    It’s an interesting exercise to watch movies from back then to see what today is shocking behaviour. Anyone have any movies they used to love but now are embarrassed by?

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      Tropic Thunder Airplane Naked Gun series

      A bunch more. It’s the “old school humor” that is the super funny but cannot be used today

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        Can’t lie I still love tropic thunder sooo much today. I get that the climate has shifted and understand why but I still feel like we’ve lost something valuable in the process. Robert Downey in black face was… wrong but at the same time felt perfect. It wasn’t the black face that got me, he really could’ve been dressed as anyone and I would’ve laughed the same. What got me was his inability to break script, even when not filming. Can’t remember the full context but the scene in which someone is calling him out on not breaking character and, in iirc the only time he breaks character throughout the movie he breaks down and says “I don’t break character until after the DVD commentary!” Idk why but it broke me and I can’t help but chuckle about it today.

        That movie is full of “no-no’s”, sure, but so was Chappelle’s show, Sanford and son etc.

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          The difference is that ‘color-blind’ liberals who co-opt the language and appearance of the civil rights movement without actually understanding or living the ideals behind it were the target of the joke, it wasn’t supposed to be funny just because it was blackface. I feel that the backlash to that movie is 100% the result of a lack of media literacy. Like, it’s not Citizen Kane, but to accuse Downey Jr. of racism for taking that role is to miss the point so hard it’s hard to imagine that the people who feel that way watched the same movie that I did. You have to be coming from a place of total refusal to engage with the subtext (or really just the text, absolutely nothing about Tropic Thunder is subtle in the least) of the work, and an axiomatic understanding of certain actions as always-racist without regard for context.

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    also, the soundtrack is great!

    i lived near the theater when this was a hit… i was able to watch it daily in the theater for 1$ for what seemed like an entire summer. see also; ferris bueller

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      God I miss dollar theaters. The last one I know about closed down in 2012, but for about a year I saw movies there almost every weekend. They would get the reels from the local cinemark after they had run there, and they ran two screens all day, starting at 9am. The local film society would screen cult classics there too, and I saw some things I would never have discovered on my own. It’s a little slice of the human experience that is just kinda gone now.

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      I got the soundtrack on tape the same birthday as I got a walkman knock off.

      I remember strutting around the local neighbourhood with my new shitty headphones on blasting Ghostbusters into my ears. I thought I was so cool!

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    I am old enough to remember that when they first started doing promos for this they didn’t drop any info or big marketing.

    They did these real short TV spots with the Ghostbusters logo during prime time and other major shows with absolutely zero background. Only thing that was on it was the message ‘Coming to save the world’

    I remember all the buzz at the time in school because everyone was chatting about it trying to figure out what it was about. No internet or places to read up on aside from the usual movie magazines at the grocery stores so everyone was all amped by the time the actual full trailer dropped and ready to beat the door down when it arrived in theaters.

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    William Atherton, thank you for mentioning that guy by name, he was amazingly real as that viscerally despicable cheese-dick sort of character in a bunch of 80s films… he and Dabney Coleman were always great…

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      He’s not in a lot of stuff, but every time I see him I’m like ‘That dick, he let all the goddamn ghosts out!’

      Edit: Also, “It’s true. This man has no dick.”

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        he had a run of pretty big films right at the end of the 80s where he had good roles playing a similar kind of character

        • Ghostbusters ('84)
        • Real Genius ('85)
        • No Mercy ('86)
        • Die Hard ('88)
        • Die Hard 2 '(90)

        i love him as Val Kilmer’s dickhead professor in Real Genius