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I don’t have a problem with this. Offside = offside. Doesn’t matter if it’s with your whole body or with just a fraction of the feet. You (literally) gotta draw the line somewhere.
That said I would get rid of the offside rule altogether. They got rid of it in field hockey years ago, and the game (also because of a handful of other great changes) became better. Football is so ready for some radical new rules.
- Shorter games with a playclock that stops when ball isn’t in play
- Introduction if the selfpass after a free ball
- Unlimetd substitution (you don’t stop the game for a substitution),
- a penalty bench. If a player receives a yellow card he immediately sits 8 minutes on the penalty bench. Team can’t replace him duringthat period (a red card is still a red card.
- Two timeouts per game per team. You can only call for a timeout if your team has the ball on the opponent’s half.
- Smaller teams. Max 6 substitutes on the bench. So Mn City or PSG can’t bring unlimited starsplayers
Offside used to not be a thing but it made football pretty shit because people would just wait near the goal to scoop something up. Football doesn’t need radical new rules. It’s the most popular sport for a reason. However, the sport does need AI/VAR implemented better
Watching this with my Juventini cousins who are pro-var and they are fuming lmao
i mean you can be pro var and also pro common fucking sense too right
It’s so tough because the whole point of VAR in relation to offsides is to be able to determine if something is offside or it isn’t, which in 99%+ of cases you can see. There are these occasions where something is technically offside, like with a sliver of someone’s boot or a tiny part of their shoulder, but it doesn’t feel like it’s really in the spirit of the rule. In those cases though you can’t say that you’ll allow it because offside is meant to be a black or white decision, and if you let these minuscule infringements go you then need to decide where the line is again.
There really needs to be a buffer zone for offsides calls.
There is no skill here, the defender didn’t make a conscious attempt to play the attacker offside by 5mm, it’s just pure luck.
I’d argue that any advantage an attacker gets inside 30cm is negligible, and hardly worth all this effort to penalise.
At, it feels like we roll the dice to see if a goal stands based on an offside call that neither player knew anything about.
So that just moves the line 30cm. It doesn’t solve the problem. Imagine this exact same picture except Kean is 31cm past the last defender, the line is drawn at 30cm from the last man. Same problem
Sure in this case that would make this one definitively onside, but like I said there will be a time when a striker is ~30cm past the last defender and the line drawing becomes an issue again
It’s offside? Like it’s like a millimeter off but offside is an offside it would be a wrong decision if it was given a goal
As long as the margin for error in the technology is within reason, works for me. I don’t know if it can be calibrated to have a little leeway or whatever but it is what it is.
I’d rather live with the pointlessness of being offside by a cunt hair than have humans involved at all in objective matters.
If the technology is consistent and quick, I’ll take it.
But let’s be honest, such offsides as this one from keene are also an anomaly. Usually they are never as tight as this. So if the technology get’s it right 99.8% of the time and the other 0.2% is a mistake like this, i have nothing against it. Still way better them the enaglish VAR lines or on field referees.
When the VAR output falls inside the uncertainty of the technology we can’t consider the decision reliable! That what people are missing here. We still don’t know the range of accuracy of VAR because they never disclosed it but I expect 5-10mm, not certainly 1mm
Draw the line 5cm thick. Easy.
Thank God it was ruled off. How could the player possibly catch up to Kean after giving up such a head start? Thank you VAR for saving football once again.
That’s actually insane lmao
I still think this is against the spirit of the law. The offside rule is not supposed to be affected by millimeters. It’s supposed to make sure someone’s not waiting behind the defense for the ball
Im the dude in the green shirt in the audience, sup guys
I like how it simulates the fans too lol
Maybe a dumb question, but what’s the margin of error for VAR?
For offside none. It’s either off or on. Wenger is trying to change it though so the attackers body have to be completely ahead of the defender to be counted as offside