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Comments are disabled until I’ve got time to moderate them. It’s normal to have strong feelings about the current situation. But you need to stay in scope of the Server Rules, it’s also unacceptable to deny the right of Existence in Israel, post antisemitic and/or racist stuff. In Germany it’s also a criminal offence to endorse or approve criminal offenses
I posted this before as an reply, but I think this is relevant for everyone: Hamas doubles down and says it was only the first October 7 attack of many to come
Isreals security is Germany’s obligation - fair enough.
What is Germany’s obligation to the people of Palestine?
It doesn’t exist.
one would think that murdering 50 million people of which 6 million were jews would lead to a more general responsibility to protect human lifes and international rule of law.
Well, personal political opinion as a German, is that it does and that we should obviously be opposed to the killing of any innocent person, but
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there’s multiple conflicts going on on this planet. We won’t be able to solve all of them.
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we also have an obligation to use our military defensively, not build up a massive army that can start WW3.
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not everyone here holds the same opinion. This may come as a surprise, but there’s nazis in Germany. Nazis that pay taxes and vote in our democracy.
There’s also people who are younger than 80 years old. They may understand this obligation on a theoretical level, but when push comes to shove, they cannot possibly feel a personal obligation.
there’s multiple conflicts going on on this planet. We won’t be able to solve all of them.
But in those where we are involved we should take care of human life without being partisan. And most certainly not send weapons to actors comitting war crimes. This of course is not limited to Israel. Germany kept sending weapons to Saudi Arabia to commit terrible atrocities in Jemen. Heck Germany exported chemical plants and chemicals for the production of nerve gas to Saddam Hussein, whcih he subsequently used to murder Kurdish people in what remains the most devastating use of nerve gas since WW1.
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✋ International law
👉 Rules-based international order
Very good and level headed comment, rightfully met with wide acclaim across the political landscape in Germany.
Call out the genocide. Looking away while saying “never again” is the utter peak of cynicism. You and your government are complicit in this genocide. Step down.
Habeck literally calls out both sides wrongdoings instead of ignoring one for the other, while differentiating Hamas & Palestinians, and the Israeli government & Jews as a whole. Something a lot of people wanted from other leaders & countries as well. But you do you with your anti-Green propaganda shit.
If anyone else comes here - just stay away from this comment section.
I have absolutely no idea how such a level-headed and well-put-together speech appealing at human decency and respect towards each other devolved into such a vileful comment section.
I assume most of the commenters either didn’t watch the video or purposefully ignored its content to instead incite more hate.
Please report any comments you deem unacceptable. Its not possible to screen everything proactively
Because Habeck did not confirm their biases.
commenters be biased and brownpilled 😎
what is wrong with brown pilled :( Isn’t silent quitting the sane thing to do?
This could have been expressed in a single sentence: The fact that Israel is punishing all citizens of Ghaza for Hamas attacks does not mean that Germans should act the same towards the Jews (but we don’t mind if you do towards Iranians and such). Tragic.
This is objectively false.
Habeck says in the video that he has seen a terrifying growth in antisemitism in Germany where members of the Jewish faith are scared to leave the house on their own or publicly display religious symmbols due to open hostility. He talks about a responsibility of Germans due to the central role in the holocaust but also how the Islamic world has not distanced itself enough from the atrocities committed by the hamas. He even remarked that one doesn’t have to agree with some of Israel’s politics - even explicitly naming the settlements in the Gaza / West Bank region - but that this should not be any excuse for antisemitism.
I will say again what I said in another comment - The video is an appeal to human decency and respect. Shame on you for willfully and stubbornly ignoring that and derailing the conversation to incite further hate.
Yes, life in Gaza is life in poverty without prospects for the future. Yes, the settler movement in the West Bank is fomenting discord and robs the Palestinians of hope and rights and, increasingly, lives. And the suffering of the civilian population now at war is a fact, a terrible fact.
You are right and I am wrong I haven’t read the whole video. I am ashamed. Insert whichever invective you like - I have few. There is no excuse.
I respect you for admitting you were wrong. That takes courage.
Also maybe it wasn’t smart leaving that part out of my reply.
I haven’t seen it yet, so I don’t know if he said more than what you write.
What you describe is that he asks of Muslims everywhere to identify with Hamas and then to distance themselves from them. Does he address growing anti-muslim racism? Because from what you write it indeed sounds as if he appeals to human decency towards one side while ignoring the other.
No one except antisemites blames Jews for what Israel does, but on the other hand the Islamic world is blamed for Hamas terror and asked to distance themselves from it. Those are double standards.
So instead of writing long texts, you maybe should watch the video instead of accusing him of being „one sided“?
Don’t feed the troll
Unfortunately it’s hard to tell trolls apart from real people in here.
It somewhat reminds me of the height of covid in online discussions - people turn off their brains and fall back on basic emotions and empty phrases.
I have dealt with those people quite often on Lemmy.ml and even Lemmy.world
They are not here to discuss. They are here to spread hate and do their virtue signaling to Hamas apologists - because most of the time they are Hamas supporters themselves.
Doesn’t matter if it is his actual opinion or not. You still helped to clarify disinformation that someone might’ve just believed.
He’s clarifying blatant disinformation (something the Greens suffering a lot of thanks to various propaganda campaigns against them). A lot of people might read it and take their comment for granted.
