• noodle@feddit.uk
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    8 months ago

    Games publishers are in a war of attention and don’t want to compete with themselves. They won’t sell you an old game if they can get you hooked on the new version with microtransactions and DLC with no story and sub-par multiplayer.

    The next point is just making the case for open source.

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      Some companies just make their new version compelling. You can’t get the experience of Balders Gate 3 by playing Balders Gate 1.

      I think they’re all competing with themselves anyway, the biggest customer group for Whatever 5 will be players of Whatever 4. Giving away Whatever 1, 2, and 3 will increase sales of 4 and 5

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    When Windows dropped support for XP, our NMR lab decided to change the OS of the PC linked to the NMR machine to Linux. Since I don’t work there anymore I don’t know if they were able to do that successfully.

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    I’m not a programmer or anything, but I’ve heard decompilers have gotten better over the years.

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      The problem is that you’d need the quarter-million dollar electron microscope to test your reverse-engineered modern version, and if you get something wrong and you fry it…

      That being said, I wonder why labs don’t just make a VM. Hardware passthru is definitely a thing, parallel port cards exist (as do serial port) and you can back up a VM to whatever modern storage you want. Maybe the problem is proprietary cards/connectors? PCI-X or older?

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        The rant in the post has some merit to it, but the thing it sort of misses is also the reason not to use VM. It works just fine. It hasn’t been updated in 20 years because it still works. It does what it says on the box. Why put it in a VM? What would you gain from it? If you need Internet just grab a laptop and have it sit next to the main computer. That way users have a much smaller chance to break something vital. Pretty much all the control computers are air gapped anyway. No updates or anything to break things you reeeeally don’t want to break.

        The only case I’ve seen VMs being used is if the old computer breakes and you can’t really find something that’s compatible with old-as-fuck software om bare metal. I work in a cleanroom and we got sooo many systems that are windows 95 or older (DOS anyone?). Electron microscope, etching systems, probe stations

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          The merit is security, as you can manage what goes into the VM as oppose to having the hardware where people can just plugin a flash drive or network cable.

          Then there is also the improvement to not needing to maintain the old hardware, and having a backup of the entire system that you can just copy to a different system and have everything running again.

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            Sure I can see it being a security feature, random USBs are not a good thing, but I feel like it is quite minor with an air gapped system, no?

            The backup is a good point. Though from this I started wondering how difficult it is to get the VM to communicate with old hardware. Like, the hardware might use some random method of actually communicating with the computer, ans getting that through to the VM might be problematic? I have no clue, just spitballing here.

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        I’m sure some do, but there’s also a certain simplicity to “back up the Win95 machine” and “collect working Pentium 2’s from eBay,” particularly for fields that are not interested in IT for its own sake. A virtual machine adds an extra layer of abstraction and complexity, though I’m sure there’s a slow trickle as entities have trouble replacing hardware or luck into technically savvy and ambitious staff. I’ve certainly seen my share of data being entered into a Windows 10 app that sure as shit seems to be a terminal emulator running some green-text dinosaur, or else it’s got a set of Visual Basic widgets that seem like they’d be compatible with one.

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    Not just science, factory equipment that needs ancient computers to function too. If you’ve ever wondered why some old PC parts are surprisingly expensive on eBay…

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      Out of curiosity, I ran through some sample quizzes of the A+ exam a while back. Managed to pass, but I had to dig out a lot of my old knowledge about IDE master/slave setups and COM port settings and the like. That may be partially due to A+ being a silly, meaningless cert, but it’s pretty clear there is a need for that crap still.

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    I don’t know how we can’t legislate this into existence eventually if nothing else just based on climate change and the amount of working material we just… throw away. Especially as more and more things integrate software, I imagine that it’s going to feel absolutely insane to people in a few decades (after the water wars and the great migrations) that they had technology like the microscope in the post but the company decided no more software updates so now it’s just garbage.

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      how we can’t legislate

      because “we” don’t own our government, the parasites who profit from the thing you want to change have all the power. labor needs to organize, the alternatives are capitalists killing us all or the-doohickey

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      The US (and all of their allies) are in favor of wealth redistribution to the ultra-wealthy, so predatory practices like this will never be stopped unless there is a sufficiently organized and pissed off mass movement calling for it. Researchers are a tiny group, so it won’t happen.

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    I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Critical government services running COBOL. Programs stored in magnetic tapes, entire offices dependant on one guy who’s retiring. All that code will be lost in time, like tears in rain

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      There is genuine money to be made in learning the “dead languages” of the IT world. If you’re the only person within 500 Miles that knows how to maintain COBOL you can basically name your price when it comes to salary.

      I just wish I had the slightest interest in programing

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        I’ve seriously looked into picking one of these dead languages up and honestly, it’s not worth it.

        Biggest issue is, you have to be experienced to some degree before you get the name your price levels. So you’ll have to take regular ol average programmer pay (at best) for a language that’s a nightmare in 2023. Your sanity is at heavy risk.

        I’d honestly rather bash my head with assembly, it’s still very much in use these days in a modern way. Most programs still get compiled into it anyway (Albeit to a far more complicated instruction set than in the past) and can still land some well paid positions for not a whole lot of experience (relatively)

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          Yeah everytime someone says “just learn COBOL, you’ll make tons of money,” it’s like,

          Bro.

          There’s a reason no one wants to write new software in these languages anymore, let alone maintain a forty-year-old pile of technical debt.

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          Been working in COBOL for a decade and this is all true.

          I’m lucky. I personally enjoy it. But i can totally see how it’s an absolute nightmare for most people.

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    Regarding “the company made the new tech incompatible with the new tech to force people to buy the new”, I’ll invoke Hanlon’s razor.

    I worked for a software company that was bought out by a microscope company, because they realized making a new software from scratch for each microscope was very expensive.

    They did not have the know-how to reuse the software.

    And yes. They were that bad at software, when they bought us out, colleagues of mine audited the software they were writing for their newest microscope, and it was so bad they threw out the whole thing to start from scratch, with proper software engineering practices.

    Also, there is an open source toolkit that is pretty good at reading microscope data called VTK (IIRC it’s developed partly by Zeiss, one of the two main microscope manufacturers).

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    My bank started using Quickbooks file format if I want to download a transaction history in a specific date range, what a fucking nightmare. It’s not abandoned yet but nothing except the QuickBooks proprietary software seems to open them so far, only a matter of time. Honestly at this point I might prefer the nightmarish CSV filetype.

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      CSV isn’t nightmarish, it is just a table structure in text form. You can open it with any text editor.

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        The problem is that it’s not really a standard. It’s reinvented ad-hoc by whomever programs it today.

        Should there be any whitespace after the comma? Do you want to use pipes or some other character instead of commas (ASCII 0x1E is sitting over there for exactly this purpose, but it’s been ignored for decades)? How do you handle escaping your separator char inside the dataset? Are you [CR] or [LF} or [CR] [LF]? None of these questions have a set answer. Even JSON has more specification than this.

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      Csv are easy to open in any spreadsheet software. You can even copy/paste it straight into some of them, e.g. LibreOffice Calc

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        Beware opening CSV in Excel. You will lose all your leading zeroes, among other “helpful” edits. Sometimes the leading zeroes are there for a reason!

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      It was so hard for me to grasp at some point over a decade earlier that in the past, in the middle ages and earlier for example, that people would publish all these educational books…and none of the info was copyrighted; literally anyone could find some book published by some random Greek or Arab person and just take all the knowledge, and release their own stuff that just freely builds on the knowledge contained within, or that inventions could be copied by anyone and no one was like ‘pay me for my brilliance’.

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        Absolutely. Free flow of information without pay wall allows humanity to collectively build upon itself.

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          At the same time, paying people who generate, develop and curate information, enables and encourages more people to do so. IMHO one of the amazing things about the open source movement is it’s built on so much generosity of time and resources.

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        Yes, but it’s important to remember that a much (most?) of that work was performed by those with hereditary wealth, under the patronage of those with hereditary wealth, under the patronage of the church, or by clergy who had plenty of free time beyond their duties and no separate need to earn income for housing and food. In fact, one reason to enter the clergy was to gain access to the resources to pursue other activities.

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    I work in an astrophysics department and this is exactly why we almost exclusively use open source software

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    This post is so true. I work in local government in a state that has TONS of money, yet our systems to control the information for agents to determine if you keep your kids or not is still based on MS-DOS. it’s insane to see in 2023

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      It’s still supported because there’s billions of dollars moved by COBOL code and IBM and others want a share of the profit of those who move billions