Because school is entirely geared towards parents. Nothing about school is actually good for the people going through it, but the system doesn’t actually care about them, and isn’t designed to.
honestly abolish school. I can’t imagine subjecting my hypothetical child to what I went through.
Exactly my feeling. I wouldn’t put somebody I hate through that; why the fuck would I do it to someone I love?
Well when you realize we treat school as glorified babysitting and not just education, part of the reason becomes more obvious. Parents work 40 hours so we need kids in school roughly that length of time. Especially when both parents have to work to afford to live.
We need to uplift a lot about it the entire system for it to work.
Also ppl are obsessed with high school sports so that’s another reason why they start high school so early (my high school started at 7:45 AM), so there’s time after for sports practice.
How about a nap time and just extend the day. It’s odd to me that school gets out so early anyway.
Actual answer one heard that unfortunately makes sense: school sports after class. If you start classes later everything gets pushed back to obscene times.
Personally my high school started a half hour in grade 12. Just that made a world of difference.
Your high school started at what time?
755 then 825 iirc
I’m an adult and my day sucks If I gotta be awake at 7
that unfortunately makes sense: school sports after class
I disagree that it makes sense. Get the sports out of the school system entirely and have them be community-based or similar. I think that should apply that to most extracurriculars. I participated in sports, band, theatre, etc. so it’s not like I just hated it (I would argue that art, band, choir, gym, etc. are still good to have in the curricula of schools, just not the traditionally after-school part).
Makes sense as an answer to why it’s so hard. Not that it’s a good answer.
Sports are part of the reason many students even go to school. Taking athletics away from school would have a significant effect on dropout rates.
That’s a pretty shit excuse at least for my schools times.
School starts at 7:20ish and gets out at 2ish and football, baseball, softball, soccer, basketball, and volleyball (maybe more idk) games start at 7. We don’t need 5 hours between. Getting out at 4 would not change that. It would just allow those players to get home late as always but actually get some sleep (footballs on Friday so those aren’t huge issues but the rest of the sports are during weekdays, often multiple in a row, which means those kids are tired as fuck.)
Tennis, Bowling, Swimming/Dive, Cross Country/Track and Golf (and any others idk) are all at about 3 which gives students time to get to said place after school lets out. Pushing those to 5 instead wouldn’t be that bad they’d get out at like 7 or 8 and have time to get home, do homework, and still get to bed before 11.
schools are largely daycare facilities for the low/middle income brackets.
It all goes back to the farmers. Farmers were up at the crack of dawn to use the light, so industry followed them. Now we’re trapped in a circle, following the same schedule because we follow the same schedule.
A major concern has been busing. Even in normal times, districts use the same buses and drivers for students of all ages. They stagger start times to do that, with high schoolers arriving and leaving school earliest in the day. The idea is that they can handle being alone in the dark at a bus stop more readily than smaller children, and it also lets them get home first to help take care of younger siblings after school.
If high schools started as late as middle and elementary schools, that would likely mean strain on transportation resources. O’Connell said Nashville’s limited mass transit compounds the problem.
Are staggered start times common in America?
I’ve only seen it the other way around, though. Elementary starts first around 7:30 am, middle school at 8 and high school 8:30.
Every school district I’ve been in does this.
Where I’m from primary, middle, and secondary school are near each other, use the same busses & staggered start times, and we have no public busses. At least I see more bike racks now than when I attended!
Why is it so hard to sleep earlier?
Because teachers give hours worth of busy work to try and justify their existance.
The sun does weird stuff to melatonin and teenage brains are weird
I’m pretty sure it just boils down to hatred of young people. “I had to get up early so you do too.”
Which is why I think we should amend the constitution to allow cruel and unusual punishments for people who utter the phrase “build a better world for our children.”
to get them used to being overworked amd underpaid ofcourse
You jest, but this was essentially the response one parent made when this subject was brought up in our school district.
the school system is basically based on producing factory workers during the industrializational. it is severely outdated and impractical.
our children are subjected to the very condtions that we adults are trying to avoid.
Just wondering friends in Canada and EU - when do your teens start the class day? I don’t doubt this is yet another thing US education gets wrong but just wondering how better funded education systems are doing things.
The UK here. I think classes started for me just before 9 but the school would generally open a little after 8 so parents could drop their kids off.
It’s worth mentioning we have a semi functioning public transport system so for all schools in urban areas, teenagers are expected to use that to get to school.
Out in the country school buses are still a thing though.
Germany it’s 8 am
EU here. For me it was 8:00 every day, so I’d personally need to get up at 6 or before to make it to the school.
Canada - 9
But depending how far away they are they could be up at 5
Teens are irresponsible, every time there’s a pilot program they just stay up later
Support 1h nap before the actual classes.
They cite one reason, busses, for the issue? With no mention of sports? Bad reporting.
