I have too many daily struggles to prioritize the political fight, though I would like to be able to do more.
Yup. I just want to live my life being left alone.
Trans people are asking for nothing more to be respected, have access to health care and ideally to stop being hate crimed. But these basic facilities are threatened by those who need an “boogey monster other” to demonize for political points. Gender is such a given to most people that we as Trans people threaten their world view simply by existing outside of a narrow binary. Many feel justified in exerting control over our bodies, purely because our existence is too much of a nagging open question that threatens their worldview.
I’m here.
I’m queer.
And I’m filled with fear.“We can disappear into the world and continue to live in the shadows,” he says. “But ultimately, that’s not how it’s supposed to be.”
Ugh. I really wish people would quit saying this. I don’t want “visibility.” “Trans visibility” feels like an insult. I want to be invisible, and anything less is torment. Some people will never pass as the gender they identify with, but for them to prescribe their feelings on all of us is not fair.
I dont think the person in question was saying that you can’t be stealth. They’re saying that the cisgender world as the default cannot continue to exist. Trans people have to be visible, for many of us it’s not even a choice but. Trans people have to be normal. It has to be a normal okay thing for a trans person to exist.
Going stealth is okay. A lot of us want to do that. But not everyone can, nor does everyone want to. It’s also not something most of us can just up and go do. And for trans people who must be visibly trans, how the public perceives trans people has an extremely huge impact on their daily lives. If trans people are not normal, if being trans is not a normal thing to be, if being visibly trans is not a possibility, then we can’t be ourselves at all. In this context, retreating into the shadows means going back into the closet for many of us and not being able to transition and be ourselves. Trans people have to be visible. Not every one of us, but a lot of us. So we want to be accepted. We do not want to be pushed back into the closet.
It’s also for the next generation of trans people. So that trans youth growing up see trans adults in their community, so that trans adults see older trans people. So that trans people can see that life is possible as a trans person. So that people feel like they can be themselves and to see trans people living happily as themselves. To show trans youth who are just coming out that trans joy is real and it is possible to be happy and be trans. Trans people have lived in the shadows forever, we’ve lived behind closed doors and inside closets. It can’t be that way anymore. No one should feel like they have to conform to cisgender society. And so trans people have to be visible. That’s a lot more what people are talking about when we use the phrase “trans visibility”.
So that trans youth growing up see trans adults in their community
When i was a teenager back in the early 00s, i went to a trans support group. It largely consisted of older transitioners, age 50+, who were not living good lives, through no fault of their own. But it was a very dark experience for me. I expected that my life would play out like theirs, and i would join the 41% club. I never thought that I’d get to experience just being a regular girl, and that part still seems surreal a decade later.
This is a common experience for young trans people seeking support. This is “trans visibility” and it harmed me profoundly. What would’ve been really nice back then were successful role models who make their trans-ness an incidental detail. We have those now, and they’re not what I’d call “visible” to cis people, although they don’t hide who they are.
so that trans adults see older trans people.
I’m still waiting to find older rolemodels. Most of us are really sad when we get older. I don’t know how similar this is to the general lgbt population, but I’m concerned. My goal is to build a little family, and then just live a quiet life and keep each other close.
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I don’t understand why being trans is such a big issue. I’m not trans and I’m definitely nowhere on the LGBT spectrum, so I’ll never fully understand what it’s like to experience gender dysphoria or be attracted to my same sex. However, none of that is relevant since it costs nothing to be considerate.
One of our librarians recently transitioned, and it effected absolutely nothing. I’m just as comfortable interacting with them as before, literally the only thing that changed is the pronouns I use with them. That’s it.
If someone is getting bullied, I’ll stand up for them the same if they’re white or black, male or female, gay or not, etc. Bullying is never okay, so I really don’t see how differences the target exhibits is relevant to anything. If there’s a law that makes life more annoying or less equality vs others, we should reevaluate that law. That’s just common sense to me.
Don’t ask me my opinions on trans and adjacent issues because I’m not very well educated on them so I’ll probably accidentally say something offensive. Regardless, I don’t see any reason for civility to not be the norm here, regardless of how well educated you are about it. Just be nice to people, and stand up to bullies. That alone would probably solve most of the issues here. I don’t understand why people need to be such jerks…
Don’t worry about “saying something offensive”. We can tell when people are genuine or being a jerk, I feel, most of the time. If you have any questions, no matter what, feel free to DM me. I find being trans and related things fascinating.
I’ll just post them here so others can chime in. This will be kinda long, but most of it is setting up the questions, and I’ll put the questions in a bulleted list at the end.
Here are some statements I’ll refer to later:
- Feminists claim there’s no difference between men and women outside physiology.
- Trans/non-binary has nothing to do with sexual orientation, it’s purely about gender identity.
- There’s a huge fight between feminists and the trans community about whether trans women are women.
So just by looking at these groups, gender identity simultaneously matters and it doesn’t. Feminists argue that gender norms shouldn’t really exist and that there are just roles people can play. A man can raise children, a woman can be the main bread winner, etc. But just as gender roles are mattering less and less, there’s this huge push from the trans/non-binary community for recognition, and now I’m being asked to use certain pronouns after years of being trained that pronouns don’t mean anything (at least in terms of social roles).
Obviously something is motivation trans people to transition. However, at least in terms of physical performance, testosterone suppression doesn’t eliminate physiological advantages when transitioning to female (I’m not getting into the “should trans women play competitive sports” rabbit hole, just highlighting physiological remnants), so transitioning isn’t going to turn you into a biological woman, even if you get all of the surgeries and live on T pills. Yet there are still plenty that find a lot of value in it.
And then there’s non-binary folks, who don’t feel strongly enough about either gender to identify with it. So to me that means they don’t necessarily see an issue with their physiology, they just see some other value in picking something other than their originally assigned gender.
And that brings me to a few questions:
- What is it about gender that they’re identifying with?
- Would continuing down the feminist path of tearing down gender roles increase or decrease the number of openly trans/non-binary people? Would people bother changing pronouns if there’s no change in social expectations either way?
- For those who believe in spirits/ghosts/afterlife, do trans people think their spirit/ghost/soul would match the gender they identify with?
I would like to understand trans and non-binary people more, but I don’t think that’s really possible without experiencing it for myself, in much the same way that I won’t fully understand my spouse or kids without experiencing things from their perspective. But I also don’t think it’s particularly relevant, I can be nice to people I don’t fully understand, especially when it costs my pretty much nothing to do so. I’m still interested, just not sure how to get the perspective I lack.
Are you talking about third or fourth wave feminism? There is an interesting take in the book Gender Trouble. I’m surprised you’re interested in women’s sports. Did you catch the US Women’s Soccer match? I missed it but got the gist from my guy friend. Personally, I’m a huge fan of roller derby. They’ve fully accept trans people. Love Suzy Hotrod. She’s such a badass.
In the game of
patriarchytrans rights,womentrans people are not the opposing team. They are the ball.
