geteilt von: https://lemmy.world/post/8371095
Long post and well worth the read, but the interesting part to me is this:
Windows operating system and apps
Customers using Windows have always used a combination of operating system functionality as well as apps, but now Windows will clearly identify operating system functionality in places like Settings, Start, and Search:
- Settings > System > System Components will show notable operating system components.
- Start menu’s All Apps list has been renamed to All and operating system components are labeled with “system”.
- Under Search, search results will show operating system components labeled with “system”.
All apps in Windows can be uninstalled. Of course, apps can always be installed again from the Microsoft Store and internet. Settings > Apps > Installed apps continue to show all the apps installed on the PC and we’ve added the ability to uninstall:
- Camera
- Cortana
- Web Search from Microsoft Bing, in the EEA
- Microsoft Edge, in the EEA
- Photos
Bing is a sytem component now?
Why yes, Microsoft, I do live in Europe, why do you ask?
“Let” more like forced by the eu
“system components” is a weird way of spelling forced bloatware.
Well… dependencies can still exist, which would justify the “system” marking. For example, different programs’ WebViews depend on Edge nowadays, though maybe it is possible to isolate having that rendering engine without having the full browser program.
For example, different programs’ WebViews depend on Edge nowadays
I.e. the programmer could not care less about adherence to standards. Or, in other words: The software is buggy.
clicks to uninstall Edge
Are you sure you want to uninstall? Edge is recommended for best experience!
clicks continue to uninstall
You are about to uninstall a key system component which might affect the computer behavior, are you sure?
clicks continue to uninstall
Does your administrator confirms?
nothing’s happens, PC stuck
Window Doesn’t Responding
awkward long silence
Uninstalled.
1 month after
We have just improved Edge experience for you!
can’t find skip button, angrily confirms
Is this real?
Nope, just joking
Windows uses the region chosen by the customer during device setup to identify if the PC is in the EEA. Once chosen in device setup, the region used for DMA compliance can only be changed by resetting the PC.
Uuh. I hope I have that set to my actual location despite using en-US as display language.
Thinking about it, I’m pretty sure it should be correct.
I hate when apps use your format settings instead of display language to decide the language they display. Having to reset the Windows installation would be a much bigger hassle though.
Cortana and Microsoft Bing are going right out the window, Microsoft Edge will have to stay as a necessary evil to deal with moronically designed websites. Hear, hear!
Can I please pay full price on just Windows without any “telemetry”?
I get your point but in software development some telemetry data ist very helpful and also nessesary to improve or fix your software. Microsoft though and almost all tech companies are collecting much much more than needed.
Telemetry isnt a substitute for actual bug reports, and if a company wants to know how their software is being used… then they can always just ask? or just do some actual user testing?
I wish this would make sense, but if I want to watch Netflix in better quality than 720p then I have to use Edge and Geforce Now won’t work decent with Firefox either. They do already have systems in place that will make it hard to decide to not have Edge on your PC if you live in the EU. I still only use it for these special cases and Firefox for everything else, but damn do I hate it.
Uninstalling Windows entirely has improved my sanity immensely.
I would too if anti cheat worked on Linux
I’m not an expert on it, but I imagine it’s probably not the most complex task in the world to program those anti-cheats with Proton in mind. With increased Linux gaming (thanks Steam Deck!) It’s probably worth it, financially.
I’m glad to see it improving lately, together with proton, but it’s not ideal yet, for sure.
For people who want to follow the progress of anticheat on Linux: https://areweanticheatyet.com/
You just switched it out with a different devil.
How are those drivers?
Is your audio working?
Drivers? Do you mean the kernel modules that get automatically loaded without a problem on each boot?
My audio works really well. Why wouldn’t it? The ALSA days are long gone and pulseaudio has matured enough to work great, even with Bluetooth.
I even got Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator working, I’m never going back to an OS that breaks its own photo viewer app with an update. Twice.
Both are great, everything just works* on my Linux install, thanks.
- I don’t use Nvidia. Because their drivers suck. So validity on your drivers comment.
Same
So, they went to the trouble of keeping a different set of functionalities just for Europe instead of unshittifying Windows for everyone. Wow.
$$$ > $$
You can use Linux for free which has never been shittified.
Linux distributions and/or components have been, and will be, shittified repeatedly. Not as badly as commercial operating systems, but pretty bad anyway.
Because it has never been good enough for the average terminal-averse user to begin with.
You have not seen a Linux in what, 20 years now?
I love Linux, but I’ll admit what you say has some credence.
Linux has a lot of polish now. Most big distros are going to have an easy to use GUI installer, and there are several mature very usable desktop environments.
But, for example, if a new user has an nvidia card it’s probably going to be a poor experience for them and they won’t understand why or how to fix it. So there’s shortcomings there. I blame nvidia for this specific issue, but your average user probably doesn’t care about that. They just want their video card to work well.
It is definitely getting better. I’ve been running the same Arch installation with KDE for the last 5 years at work. Surprisingly stable and had little to no issues.
Still, the issues I did have required a basic understanding of what a package manager is, what does sudo do, and other general linux knowledge.
The results difference between a newbie googling “wifi doesnt work” and an experienced user googling “networkmanager service logs showing error XY” is just too great.
There are plenty of distros which can be operated entirely through graphical user interfaces. Ubuntu, for example.
You don’t need that in todays world. Otherwise the Steam Deck would have been dead on arrival
How quickly they forget. Canonical added Amazon ads to Ubuntu 10 years ago. They walked it back after huge backlash, but don’t believe that any corporate-backed Linux is immune to “shittifying”.
There are plenty of community backed distros to install instead.
Hmm… but the registry hooks for those uninstalls must be in there even if the option isn’t surfaced in the UI right?
Maintaining different UI options is one thing, maintaining completely different OS versions is another… and it seems like it would be prohibitively complex and expensive to do that.
Probably all you’d need is for someone with the EU version to export a backup of the relevant parts of their registry, and distribute that so anyone who wants to can have the same uninstall options. The trick would be keeping it that way through Windows updates.
Well, they are no longer allowed to milk victims in the EU thanks to good laws. That does not mean they cannot exploit those who are not protected.
Don’t worry, they’ll invent a new way of milking in no time.
That sweet sweet data collection $$
We’ll be updating Windows 10, version 22H2 and Windows 11, version 23H2 PCs in the EEA to be compliant by March 6th, 2024.
Not just Win11, but Win10 as well. Nice.
It just so happens I will be reinstalling my windows partition and “moving to Europe” in March of next year too!
Well, they kind of have to I would guess.
