• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    You mean instead of tying into a phone, right ?

    The only point in time my lack of a phone number becomes an issue is for archaic stuff like this.

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    8 months ago

    WhatsApp: “you can now use email to access your account if you can’t use your phone for some reason”

    This community: “REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”

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      8 months ago

      People acting like a phone number isn’t 100x more personally identifiable than email are delusional. I have like 700 unique emails atm, and can create a new one within seconds. I only have a few numbers.

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        8 months ago

        In my country we’re required to have our own identification tied to the number and we can only legally have a handful of number under a person name. Email is nothing lol.

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          I lived in a country doing that, and couldn’t understand the people making social media profiles with their (actually traceable to a real life identity) phone numbers public. Don’t you love receiving spam calls?

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            8 months ago

            Funny thing is, there’s a time where the hot topic is basically facebook eavesdropping conversation then put on ads with item relevant to the conversation. Everyone talk about it being creepy, but everyone keep using it without any change. I think they just don’t care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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        8 months ago

        I have a catch-all address with a personal domain. Infinite aliases for free.

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            8 months ago

            Actually (and surprisingly), I don’t. Maybe it’s due to WHOIS privacy.

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          8 months ago

          If they’re all attached to the same personal domain then that’s just as personally identifiable though

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              8 months ago

              True, signing up for several accounts using the same personal domain will create a link between those accounts though (whereas if they’re all @simplelogin.com or similar then you’re hiding asking the crowd)

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                Maybe. However, as long as they don’t know my real name/identity I don’t really care. Fact is that is much easier for companies to just block known email alias services than unknown random domain. Some of them do this already. Neither method is perfect, obviously.

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          8 months ago

          Hmm🤔 I use Migadu and could probably set this up – is this actually a good idea?

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            A catch-all is not a good idea. But Migadu lets you do something called pattern rewrites which are aliases that can contain wildcards. So you can set up a pattern like shop-*@yourdomain.tld and use addresses like shop-amazon@, shop-etsy@ etc.

            It doesn’t have to be “shop” you can use anything you want and make up the pattern in any way you want (“ama.shop.zon@” or whatever you can think of).

            It’s better than plus addresses (“realaddress+amazon@”) because it doesn’t have to include your real address, and you can make a pattern that nobody can guess, but still retain the ability to use one address per site so you know who’s spamming you, and you can make them up on the fly.

            In fact I no longer use my “real” address for anything except logging into IMAP and SMTP, I use aliases or patterns for everything else.

            Edit: If you want to also be able to send email from these addresses make sure to enable “wildcard sender” for the associated mailbox.

            These addresses do have one downside similar to catch-all: if one of them starts getting spam you have to make an explicit deny rule for it. Some people contend that this is a messy approach and they’d rather make regular (non-wildcard) aliases and deny everything else. The downside with that however is that you can no longer make up addresses on the fly, you have to go to the Migadu admin to create the alias every time.

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          I use Proton Mail, which lets you make ‘aliases’, which you can use for different sites. The alias forward staright to your main (or a nominated) email.

          You can use https://simplelogin.io/ to do the same, and I’m sure there are similar services around.

          E.g. I can’t have feckwhatsapp@feckfacebook.com as my WhatsApp email, and it would forward to whatever account I normally use.

          I do this for pretty much everything on line, so they all have their own bespoke email for me.

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            8 months ago

            Would you say Proton Mail’s aliases are better in some way than Firefox Relay? Do you have experience with both to give your impression of which you’d recommend over the other? Or perhaps anyone else would care to weigh in, feel free to do so. Thanks, friends!

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              I don’t, I’m afraid. But I can say that creating and managing them through protons password manager is a breeze.

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                8 months ago

                Nice. So you do that through the password manager and not the email interface?

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                  Sorry, yes you do. Because it’s so interlinked in my mind I got that wrong. But deffot the easiest way to do it I’ve found (as long as you’re using proton mail though, I guess…)

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                  You don’t need to do it through the email interface. You can do it through many password managers (API key). With simplelogin and a custom domain you can set it up to use regexes and control the flow of emails to any number of inboxes. It’s like a fine grained catch-all where you don’t need to create the emails ahead of time and can “send as” any of them… or disable any if they start receiving spam.

                  If I wanted to activate a new Facebook I could just type fuckbookNOV2023@customdomain.com into the signup field and verify it seconds later. If I wanted it to go to both me and my brother, I could add his custom string (e.g. fuckbookNOV2023bruzz@customdomain.com).

                  I’ve been doing this for 2 years and only recently received my first spam. All I had to do was change the email with the service and disable the old address. Easy peasy. You can also disable the catch-all at any time if someone starts fucking your life. Then all you have to do is create a dozen emails ahead of time and assign them as needed.

                  Also u/umbrella

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              Any email service will let you make aliases. If it doesn’t, or if it price-gouges you for how many aliases you can make (which are basically zero cost for them) — find a better email service.

              Also, there’s no need to use a 3rd-party alias service unless the address you’re protecting cannot be used on an email service, like if it’s a gmail address for example so you’re stuck with gmail. But even so you can buy a domain, forward your Gmail address to it, and start enjoying aliases and all kinds of cool features.

              Look into services like MXroute or Migadu.

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                Cool. I’m fine with using a 3rd party tool though. As a Linux user I’m quite used to having separate tools that do a single job well. 😊 I’ve been using Firefox Relay so far with positive results. But the free version is quite limited and you can’t really customize the aliases at all.

                But if Proton Mail already comes with aliasing, that would be a good alternative as I already have an address there. Just not a paying customer yet.

                Trying to separate myself from Google a little bit as of late, so I’m looking for alternatives, but nothing too obscure and no self-hosting yet. I’d love a complete package like Google offers, kind of like Proton does.

                What will be very hard for me to shake off is Google Drive and Google Documents (Sheets, Docs, etc). Very useful services that do their stuff well. Unfortunately. And very integrated into the only phones I enjoy using – Pixel phones. 😑

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                  Proton doesn’t offer its own aliases, they use a third party service as well. It would basically be very similar to what you already get from Relay.

                  Have a look at Mailbox.org if you’re looking for integrated services, they offer packages with more than just email. It’s a long-running German service.

                  Please be wary of “encrypted” mail services, they make it fairly hard to migrate away from them later, if you need to. You need special tools to get your mail out of them, and those tools are at their whim.

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      The problem is that they’re reaching for emails in addition to phone numbers. Don’t think for a second they’re going to let you login with just email. They want email just to have yet another data metric to profile you with.

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        • using an insecure medium like email to facillitate access to e2eencrypted messages. 1) you cant do that with Signal
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      My reeeing depends on if they are going to make it mandatory. And I have a feeling they are coming full force on the enshittification bandwagon.

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    I am waiting for Cross Messenger Law of Europe it means that Signal and Whatsapp User can talk to each other.

    If Whatsapp really wants to scare away there Users many are gonna switch because of the Email old persons have EMails but no clue how to use it.

    Its easier to install another Messenger than EMail Verifikation.

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      I think Signal is against that because it compromises their security model. Also I think they aren’t required by law to implement it but I’m not sure.

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    This sounds like what Element has been doing for years already. You can sign up with an email and optionally link a phone number to your account. When WhatsApp does it though, it’s newsworthy.

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    In the realm of “business WhatsApp Web,” this advancement could signal a heightened focus on providing secure and reliable communication tools for enterprises. Businesses often leverage WhatsApp Web for efficient communication, and the introduction of email verification could be a proactive measure to address the unique security needs of corporate users.

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    The boomers who are using zuckerapp do have emails. It will work out fine 😁

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        Never met an it-pro using that thing. And beside some boomers and younger technically challenged, i have never seen one using it. To each his own. People actually use facebook too. Or even twi… Errr. X.

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            I’m also in Europe. And for me it’s as i said. Wouldn’t even know one reason FOR whatsapp besides the popularity.

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              Yeah, that’s small little thing, that everyone uses it. I’ve been waiting to get away from WhatsApp for years, but I would be an idiot to say that I can get away from it and still communicate with my family and friends via text.

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                If everyone would think this way, all other messengers would be extinct and Zuckerberg would rule over everyones most personal data. And then, oh wonder, it suddenly has a subscription-cost too.

                Not for me. If people are so stubborn to use it, they gotta go back to email or sms if they really wanna reach me. I don’t use that crap, nor facebook or twitter or instagram or tiktok or…

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          IT Pro here. I use it. WhatsApp was around way before Zuckerberg was involved with it.

          I’m all for getting away from WhatsApp but at this point it’s well ingrained with the general population. I’d love to see RCS take over.