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Florida’s state athletic board fined a high school and put it on probation Tuesday after a transgender student played on the girls volleyball team, a violation of a controversial law enacted by Gov. Ron DeSantis and the Legislature.
The Florida High School Athletic Association fined Monarch High $16,500, ordered the principal and athletic director to attend rules seminars and placed the suburban Fort Lauderdale school on probation for 11 months, meaning further violations could lead to increased punishments. The association also barred the girl from participating in boys sports for 11 months.
The 2021 law, which supporters named “The Fairness in Women’s Sports Act,” bars transgender girls and women from playing on public school teams intended for student athletes identified as girls at birth.
The student, a 10th grader who played in 33 matches over the last two seasons, was removed from the team last month after the Broward County School District was notified by an anonymous tipster about her participation. Her removal led hundreds of Monarch students to walk out of class two weeks ago in protest.
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Enlightened neckbeards with shitty takes about this in three, two…
According to armchair analysts, isn’t she supposed to be dominating all high school volleyball in it’s entirety like some ‘hopped up on E’ ubermensch? /s
If not, then why is there separate mens and womens teams at all?
It’s an antiquated tradition, but the field of athletics isn’t exactly known for embracing progress and change
No, it is typically the case that “men’s sports” are actually open to anyone able to compete, and women’s sports are just for women. There are very few sports where a professional female athlete can compete alongside professional male athletes.
Thanks for demonstrating, you sound just like the transphobes
Hmmm, I didn’t say anything transphobic, though. Just because you don’t like what I said doesn’t make me a bigot. Grow up.
I used to actually try to reason with people like you, with citations and ethical appeals – the whole nine yards.
But you know what I learned? You can’t logic someone out of a position they didn’t logic themselves into.
No matter what anyone says, you lot really want to use those skull calipers, and ain’t no data, logic, or ethics going to stop you.
And yes, it’s absolutely bigoted and sexist to imply that activities should be segregated by gender. That’s objectively a bigoted opinion. You just don’t want to admit it, because it would mean you choose to be a bad person.
Again, you won’t let something like an objective fact stop you, so far be it from me to waste my time with people like you.
Again, nothing I wrote is transphobic. You just don’t understand how sports work. The only manner in which sports are segregated is women’s sports. Any woman can play for the NBA if they are good enough. Any woman can play for MLB.
Women get their own leagues in sports because they wouldn’t be present in professional sports at all if it was all a strict meritocracy.
This article of running explains a lot of the factors. I chose running specifically because it’s a non impact sport where, presumably, the gender size differences would play less of a role.
Mens larger hearts let them oxygenate their blood faster, and their blood can hold 11% more oxygen. Recovery from injuries is quicker as well. A lot of these factors are a result of hormones present throughout their lives.
These are facts. What you make of those facts requires logic.
Now, reread what I wrote and cite back to me a single reference I made to trans people.
The post I responded to was stating that there is no reason to split sports by genders. I can tell you that without a doubt, there is a reason to provide women’s sport leagues, and that reason is to prevent their wholesale exclusion from the competitive sport environment.
Depending on when a person transitions in their life, there could be gigantic physical advantages reaped. I don’t think it’s my role as a man to declare where the line of acceptable advantages is in women’s leagues.
Something else came to mind while reading this article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/09/sports-gender-sex-segregation-coed/671460/“There are players on teams that we play that are faster than me, that are stronger than me, that can hit the ball harder than me. So I knew that [the league’s] arguments didn’t really have any basis in that regard.”
This is what I’ve experienced in roller derby. The only thing carrying me is that I was taught how to ice skate and play hockey since I was 4. Again, pointing to a socializing aspect rather than a “gendered” thing.
Not sure. Here’s a good journal article discussing it.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24757601
Florida is such a shithole state
Glad to see the school has some common sense. The principal and athletic director pushed to keep her on the team. Great classmates as well, learning to make their voice heard.
Great
I may get down voted for this, but there needs to be a distinction between male and female athletes somewhere. There’s biological differences in muscle mass and trans women have a biological advantage. I don’t necessarily agree with fine, but I do think that cis female sports should have some protections too.
Why? What do you imagine is the harm caused by allowing all women to participate?
See my other reply
women
Depends on what you think this word means, I guess.
I don’t care what bigots think though
What about cis women with heightened testosterone levels then? They won’t exactly be beholden to strict requirements like a trans woman with regulated testosterone will.
There’s biological variance at play in all of sports, if you start going there, you have to start asking yourself what your actual goal is? Is it protecting minorities and disadvantaged people? Or is it something akin to weight classes? Or… what?
Either way you put it, either you allow trans women in women’s sports, or you rework the system to be based on your biology in some way, separated into classes like testosterone level, body weight, how tal you are… etc. Otherwise you will either be inconsistent in your ruling, or exclude some cis women which is what you specifically tried to avoid in the first place.
Trans woman have lower muscle mass and strength then average cis females after being HRT.
Is this scientifically verified? If it is, I’d like to see the study. And what is the study’s demographic? Because we’re only talking about athletics so the demo should be trans athletes vs cis female athletes.
Look at you, attacking the source before you even see it.
Totally unbiased though.
I what way did I attack it? I asked to see the source and expressed my concern with possible points of scrutiny as it’s being presented in the argument at hand. I’m pro-LGBT rights.
Reading into this, my main points of concern are that there is only a population of 8 in each group. That’s far from clinically significant, but if we pretend for the sake of argument that it is a clinically significant population there’s still the fact that TW have more muscle mass and outperformed the CW in their handgrip strength despite lower strength/FFM due to the extra muscle mass. The study authors believe that this is because a difference in oxidative processes in the muscle but don’t go on to elaborate their hypothesis so it may allow some TW to take advantage of their extra muscle mass when in competition and other hormones flood the CNS/bloodstream.
My hypothesis would be that adrenaline temporarily helps to overcome the suppression of muscle performance due to hormone therapy. Note that this is my hypothesis and would need to be studied. Maybe I am wrong, but in my clinical experience the observable results run counter to the small scope of this particular study.
I do think more studies need to be done. My opinion is if a cis woman would be barred for PCOS then barring trans women is fine
Wait if you can’t discuss sexuality or gender issues in school how do they know. Codewords? Charades?
Conservatives make it their business to know by any means necessary what you have between your legs.
Don’t be silly, that law was never going to be used against conservatives.
Her removal led hundreds of Monarch students to walk out of class two weeks ago in protest.
The kids are alright.
So glad we fixed climate change, wealth inequality, bigotry, rising fascism, homelessness, etc so we can work on the real issues.
Interesting how conservatives act like they really care about women’s sports if a trans girl is playing on the team, but they were over the moon when the USWNT got knocked out of the World Cup. And don’t even suggest they go to a WNBA game.
I remember the conservative shit fest they had over USWNT asking for equal pay to the men’s team.
To be fair the USWNT was full of shit on the equal pay thing
I tried researching it after watching the ‘LFG’ documentary and most sites were MRA bluster. What did you find out?
You uhhhh, didn’t read past the first couple paragraphs did you? It was some rather selective accounting.
Cordeiro’s letter stipulated that the totals do not include money received by U.S. Soccer from FIFA for World Cup bonuses. With that money included, federation analysis said that the men earned $41 million for the same nine-year period, compared to $39.7 million for the women.
Considering that revenue and profits for the men’s world cup ABSOLUTELY DWARF the women’s world cup this makes perfect sense. And considering the huge gap in revenue and profit a $1.3 million differences is completely acceptable
And then literally everyone else involved said the numbers they presented were false and selective.
The highly competitive and world famous Monarch girls volleyball team from Coconut Creek, Florida. Nothing should be allowed to besmirch their timeless reputation through the hallowed halls of heteronormative athletic excellence.
Who called it in? It was a horny dad who got the ick after ogling the trans kid at volleyball practice wasn’t it?
Why fine them instead of disqualifying?
Seems odd
The FL Republicans just want to make a political statement.
There’s no money in disqualifications.
They must be really fucking bored over there
Nope. Just fucking stupid.
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