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- cross-posted to:
- main@feddit.de
I have my problems with Meta, but I’m hoping this will help Mastodon grow
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Lmao.
Fediverse? Do you mean, the Threadiverse?
I’m being cheeky to illustrate a point - Threads will almost certainly harm the overall health of the Fediverse in the long run, with users relying increasingly more on Threads’ instance[s] to use Mastodon services and connect to people.
Isn’t threadiverse already a term to specifically describe the kbin/lemmy/etc. style of fediverse service?
It’s both, it depends on context.
Here I mean a Fediverse that is mostly controlled by Threads.
I think you mean WASN’T threadiverse already a term.
Yet, it used to be. Soon, it won’t be.
This may be a cynical view, but even if that does happen, the core ActivityPub protocol will still be intact and at worst be relegated to a small community of tech nerds, which is to say, basically the status quo.
The core of the software will be intact, but the community will be broken - because once Threads pulls the plug (EEE), instead of a stable community you’ll have a shrinking one.
the core ActivityPub protocol will still be intact
Will it though? My guess is they’re working on “fixing it” to what they want 24/7.
Eh, I can see politicians self hosting their own instances from their party or what have you. Same with governments. There is a potential as well that x.com may decide to federate out of survival if it gets too big.
This is just a guess, but I think that the likelihood of Twitter federating is almost to zero, unless forced by legislations to do so. It simply doesn’t benefit from that, since every group and individual leaving Twitter might as well defederate it, and odds are that the upper echelon there knows it.
Instead I think that Twitter will try to associate the Fediverse with terrorists and what have you, to indirectly smear shit into its competitor Faecesbook/Threats.
This is just a guess, but I think that the likelihood of Twitter federating is almost to zero, unless forced by legislations to do so. It simply doesn’t benefit from that
That, and Musk’s ego won’t allow it.
Why would they self-host and do work when they could just use Threads? It’s not like FB gives a fuck about treasonous political parties.
The same reason Trump has his own social network.
Own instances give a lot more control. They can be as outrageous as they like, full on Trumpian, even. They can also control what gets said in that space much more effectively, seeing as how they are the mods and admins. And they don’t have to worry about Meta or Reddit (I doubt Musk even cares) getting media backlash and removing them from the platform entirely.
Sure, Threads can defed from any controversial instances but it will be trivial to create a mirror that effectively refederates the problem instance.
The same reason Trump has his own social network.
Didn’t that only start when he was threatened for being kicked off Twitter?
But the other points for censoring ideas make sense.
Didn’t that only start when he was threatened for being kicked off Twitter?
Exactly. No one is gonna kick you off your own platform, or in fediverse terms, your own instance. The most others can do is defed from you, but that’s easy enough to get around if you’re determined.
That’s great news
noooooooooooooooooooooooon
So is there a way to follow someone on Threads now? Or at least get one’s instance to load a post? Where are the details of this beyond Zuckerberg’s post?
Depends on your Mastodon instance and if it defederated with Threads or not
Try pasting the username of a threads user into the search
Fuck off. Defederate these guys.
Good news: This will result in more average-user understanding of the fediverse, getting past the consistent issue of people not understanding it. It will increase the Fediverse’s usershare by a considerable amount. And to top it all off, it will probably cause a snowball which will make the Fediverse as a whole eclipse twitter.
Bad news: This is being done by facebook, willingly. Any company that is taking action like this is doing so for their own benefit and no one elses. This may be detrimental to the Fediverse in the long run if users opt to all just jump on to Threads because of some obnoxious ‘Embrace, Extend, Extinguish’ tactic they may or may not pull in the future.
do you want mainstream stuff
Do you want threads to become dominant on the Fediverse by several orders of magnitude? Do you understand the implications of such centralisation on the Fediverse?
Someone did a breakdown here, I still think it’s a great idea to defed from them immediately.
https://wedistribute.org/2023/08/threads-new-terms-affects-the-fediverse/
Reading the article, they collect the data necessary to federate with an instance. If you or I were to run our own instance we would have access to the same data.
If they were to do anything with that data that they don’t have permission to do, like selling it. They would be in breach of the GDPR and fined 4% of their global annual income, and as we’ve seen with Apple, it’s not profitable to have two wildly separate versions of your product.
But again, Meta is first and foremost an advertising and data harvesting company, and many people aren’t happy at the idea of being subjected to this treatment from the vantage point of their own servers.
already defederated
So seeing as the name is still threads does that mean he won the lawsuit someone filed against them to change the name as someone else already had that name for their product/company?
Like rules only exist if you’re not a billionaire I guess…
Would it be possible for the mastodon software to detect if users are connecting via threads and replace all images in posts with a different image - one that says e.g. telling people that Zuckerberg doesn’t care about raising tennage suicide rates through Instagram or something similar.
I don’t want my software pushing propaganda on me. Thanks but no thanks.
Do we really want Facebook users just for the growth? Quality beats quantity.
Give them a taste and then defederate…
I do. I love my following on Threads but I hate how fragmented social media has become post Twitter. It’ll be nice to follow everyone on one account - mainstream and otherwise.
It should be possible someday
I’d love to skip into the future when all the activitypub stuff is set up nicely. Can’t wait
Ultimately I think I’ll end up running two accounts
I respect if my Mastodon instance decides to defederate because of a legitimate threat from Facebook, given the company’s consistently awful history.
There will also be some good people worth following who want to use FB’s Threads for whatever reason. If I need to, I can use some special frontend or web browser version to read the content.
So whether we stay federated or not, at the end of the day it’ll be ok as far as being able to see things from the people I care about.
I’ll still try to bring as many people over to the real Fediverse though.
The good thing about the fediverse is that instances can choose with whom they want to federate.
In my opinion, there should always be choice and people with terrible opinions should be allowed to express them – just like others should be allowed to laugh, ignore and block them. Whether we like it or not, the fediverse includes everything from left-wing to right-wing extremists. But we can choose an instance which excludes all those unwanted posts, just like we’ll be able to block surveillance corporate instances.
bigotry isn’t only difference of opinion
What is considered bigotry often is a difference of opinion though.
It’s Threads, not Facebook.
And I won’t speak for anyone else, but yes, I want as many people on the fedi as possible.
In an ideal world I never have to log into Facebook, Twitter, IG, Threads or any of that proprietary nonsense to figure out what’s going on.
Seriously, how does that dude manage to look so inhuman? He looks like someone pretending to be human and trying really hard, but missing that one last bit.
is requirement to be billionaire
And I would assume he chose that picture too. It’s not as bad at full size, at least he has some color to his skin and doesn’t look like an alien methhead as much.
