Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.
In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.
Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.
Well it’s hardly surprising.
It’s like preferring a slice of unbuttered slightly stale bread, to a literal dogshit on a stick, being waved around by others with shit all over their faces, knowing that if they eat enough, you’ll have to eat double.
Young voters are being given really shitty choices.
I wonder when this magical time was where voting for the president had great choices. What many young voters fail to understand is that it’s not all about the president. Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation, and if you send that to your far-from-ideal president’s desk, they’ll sign it.
It’s certainly a much easier task than having an awesome progressive president who begs a near 50-50 Congress to pass good bills, and it just doesn’t happen.
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There is no exact number. The more there are, the bolder they can be.
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Please tell me you’re not talking about the two month window in 2010 where they had a filibuster-proof majority, and passed a major healthcare reform bill, but it was kneecapped because it relied on Joe Lieberman to pass. Because that’s a case where a couple more Democrats would have made a huge difference in what we would have gotten, and also turned 2 months and some change into two years. That’s my point that there’s no exact number.
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Having enough is a spectrum: the more there are, the bolder the legislation and the more likely it is to pass. So however many you get, you always fall short of doing even better with more.
Single payer healthcare had been discussed in the early stages — and it was clear they wouldn’t have 60 votes for it, so it was a non-starter. Because there were exactly 60 D/Is, there was no wiggle room. And the GOP held up the 60th Senator in the courts as long as they could because they had no wiggle room. And then Ted Kennedy had to vote for the ACA on his virtual deathbed, and after that their 60 votes were gone, so they couldn’t spend more time on healthcare or move on to other tough issues. Lieberman forced them to remove the public option from the bill.
But you are just overlooking that they did pass a major, consequential healthcare reform bill that solved some very important problems, which couldn’t be accomplished for decades before then, even though people tried.
And this all touches on my original point: a couple more Senators would have changed things significantly at that time, but a more progressive president would not have.
Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.
What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the–let me check my notes here: oh, right–Nazis in the other party hadn’t sued to prevent him from giving away money.
I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks’ first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.
Brother he’s basically a war criminal the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist dictators is already happening
It doesn’t really matter in the long run, America is run by oil companies, not the people. Joe signed off on more land for drilling than trump did.
I believe those were agreements signed by Trump that Biden had to follow through on, no?
But let’s also be clear, Biden appointed the first Native Secretary of the Interior and signed the Inflation Reduction Act (the most significant climate legislation the US has ever had). Trump appointed Scott Pruitt to lead the EPA.
One will kill us slightly faster than the other. Great.
Doesn’t matter, over half won’t be voting. Even less than normal if GOP state legislatures do away with mail in ballots or automatic mailed request forms from COVID times.
The less people who vote the more elections Republicans win.
Make sure your friends go vote (unless they’re trumpeter assholes maybe, then don’t talk about it).
Less young people voting is a direct result of the national DNC’s deeply infuriating tactic of promising a fuckton of stuff and then just abandoning those goals and… “compromising” with the GOP every single fucking time the chips are down. And here, “compromise” is pronounced “submit to”, because most Democrats have the neurological inability to understand that these days the GOP will betray them simply on principle, or because one GOP rep wants to tweet something so they can “troll the libs”. And then we all suffer for it.
We all fucking understand the stakes here. The DNC is actively pushing young voters away by using such a deeply cynical strategy and then thinking we’ll forget all about that stupidity the next time an election comes around. From where a lot of young people are standing, it looks a lot like a choice between “actively bad” and “passively bad”, and it’s hard to give a fuck about that, especially if you’re already struggling with other shit in your life, like most of our generation is to one degree or another.
Don’t get me wrong - I vote in every single election I can. But the amount of deeply, fundamentally uninspiring or even actively bad candidates I feel I’m forced to vote for, simply because they’re not a neo-Nazi or a member of the GOP is not small. And to all you vOTe fOr a ThiRD pArTY types out there: you and I both know that’s a great way to hand elections to the GOP, given how our shitty electoral system works.
The party is absolutely taking advantage of how bad their opponents have become. Democratic party leadership has regarded the left of the party with such withering contempt for so long, and then they wonder why the left resents them.
It’s super frustrating, because while I still think it’s possible to move the DNC in a more reliably progressive direction, it’s abundantly clear all the fossils in charge of the party have no intention whatsoever of going in that direction, so we either need to force them out or wait for them to die.
Yes, this is tradition.
One day it’s an article saying young voters are abandonning Biden, next day it’s one saying they overwhelmingly support him.
No one on the planet is overwhelming supporting him. The only question if if Trump is scarier. There is no sane reason why DNC won’t put forward a better candidate. Why would Biden cling to power and senility instead of bowing out for health reasons. It’s Ruth Bader all over again.
There are extremely good reasons for the DNC to go with Biden: he has already beaten Trump once, and incumbents tend to do well
Most incumbents don’t consistently back the genocidal actions of Israel.
Little bit different
Welp, when my daughter is pressed into service as a brood mare for the Theocratic American State after we lost our right to vote in the 2028 election, I’ll be sure to salute you for your heroic refusal to support genocide in Gaza (which was nuked in ‘26 btw)
You could join me in fighting against it
Pretty much all presidents have unconditionally supported Israel, actually.
Maybe it is time to change that.
Straight talk, the war is coming, and I would rather be the one to fight in it rather than my children.
Let’s just get it done and over with, cut off the festering limb, and start healing.
Trump backs Israel too. It’s either going to be Biden or Trump. So if that’s your criterion, you’ve already lost.
It doesn’t have to be!
Instead of fighting against those of us who want a different president, why not support us.
You have given up already, so how are you going to judge me if I give up next year?
The primaries are still an option.
I will gladly take literally any bet you like that, barring actual death, Joe Biden will be the DNC nominee. Find an escrow and name whatever bet you like.
Oh I agree, everyone is too scared too run anyone else because “trump”.
God forbid that everyone who is telling me he’s not that bad, and think about trump.
Fuck that, if we run Biden and end up with trump it is purely what we deserve.
All of them do and have since Israel was established. One party just does it harder than the other while in power.
So maybe it’s time we change it
he has already beaten Trump once
Barely. With the awfulness that was Trump’s presidency still happening. The voters have ridiculously short memories and Biden’s main campaign strategy of running as “not the other guy” isn’t anywhere near as effective for an incumbent as for a challenger.
By insisting on Biden, the DNC is dramatically increasing the risk of losing the election and thereby making it the last one.
In what universe is 53% (against a fascist malignant narcissist manchild, no less!) overwhelming support?
Certainly not this one.
The one where it’s 53% for Biden vs 24% for Trump
Fair. Should have read more thoroughly lol.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.
A New York Times/Siena College poll released Tuesday showed Trump ahead of Biden by 6 points among registered voters under 30.
Biden and Trump are the current front-runners for the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively.
Recent polls have indicated Biden’s popularity is waning slightly as Trump’s ticks up.
The incumbent held a mostly consistent lead over Trump for the first several months of the year, until mid-September.
The Economist/YouGov poll surveyed 1,336 registered voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.
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Young voters overwhelmingly prefer the guy who’s not actively trying to destroy the future, how shocking!
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Biden is literally trying to destroy the future. He has personally approved many new fossil fuel extraction sites including a pipeline that climate scientists have dubbed a climate time bomb
Now actually show up on election day.
I prefer getting a finger cut off, as opposed to an arm.
Doesn’t mean I want to lose my finger.
Regardless of how you feel about the candidates the important thing is to actually vote. Going around and saying “well they both suck” doesn’t help anyone.
Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
Always vote, even if the news or anyone else tells you the candidate you want is a sure thing, vote even if the candidate you don’t want seems like a shoe-in.
You aren’t losing a finger, you’re being forced to accept that your politics don’t align with most of your fellow citizens.
Frederick Douglas couldn’t even vote, but he worked for politicians who couldn’t promise to end slavery.
Don’t align with most of your fellow citizens that vote, specifically. And they’re the only ones that count in this case.
Sounds like you think you can win the 2024 general election without our help then. Best of luck.
Do you think you can win primary and general elections without their help? Petulance only begets petulance.
Petulance
Do you want our votes or not? This ain’t the way to do it.
This entire thread is literally about how there aren’t very many of “your votes”
Sounds like you think you don’t need us to win the 2024 election then.
But would they vote? Young Americans historically have low voter turnout. Problem with youths is that we’re all talk and no action.
Clearly because of the lack of options… Biden and Trump again ey 😵💫
Wait, just yesterday young voters didn’t like Biden? I’m beginning to think that maybe the news is all made up 🤪
Still true, no one likes Biden. The alternative just happens to be an evil dictator.
Sure, Biden kinda sucks, but THE ALTERNATIVE IS ACTUAL FASCISM.
You guys aren’t going to convince anyone to vote with the lesser of evils spiel. Shit’s gonna get bad and all you had to do was pick a real candidate.
You guys aren’t going to convince anyone to vote with the lesser of evils spiel
What do you think happened in 2020?
Biden made a bunch of promises and acted like progressives and leftists actually had a seat at the table. The BBB, student loan, weed legalization, rail strike and gaza genocide have made it clear: We do not.
We gave him a chance and he gave us the finger.
You do realize that Biden can’t just declare things into law, right?
For the first two years, Biden had a Democratic House that could theoretically pass anything he wanted, but a Senate which was split nearly 50-50. If they didn’t get every vote, they could fail to pass a bill. And this doesn’t even get into the filibuster which would tank bills unless 60 votes were reached or the fact that Manchin and Sinema frequently acted to sink Democratic bills despite technically being Democrats. Biden could put some pressure on them, but his options were limited. It’s not like he could hold a gun to their heads and force them to vote on favor of bills
Since January, Biden has had a Democratic Senate with a razor thin margin and a Republican House. This threw even more wrenches in the works.
And then there’s the Supreme Court. Thanks to Mitch McConnell, Trump, and the Republicans, the Supreme Court has a huge conservative majority. So Biden can try to take action for things like forgiving student loans, but then Republicans sue, the case ends up in the Supreme Court and the conservative justices rule that Biden isn’t allowed to do this by law. (He’s managed to find a way to forgive some loans even if it wasn’t as much as he wanted to do.)
Putting all the blame on Biden and saying “he didn’t fulfill all his promises” is disingenuous. He hasn’t exactly had the Congress and Supreme Court that could support what he wanted to do. Could he have done everything anyway and proclaimed that he makes the laws now? Perhaps, but then he’d be a fascist dictator and not working within our political system - exactly the type of thing that Trump wants to do and is properly criticized for.
Buddy, you seem to misunderstand something here. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. If you want to believe Biden deserves your vote go nuts. It makes no difference to me.
But I’m telling you as someone who voted for him in the 2020 general: Fuck Joe Biden. Do whatever you want with that information. But trust no amount of these excuses will change my mind. I was already angry I had to give him a chance in 2020 after people voted for him in the primaries specifically to fuck over progressive and leftist efforts. I held up my end of the bargain. Biden and the people who elected him in the primaries did not.
Fuck Joe Biden for screwing up the BBB. Fuck Joe Biden for negotiating down from $50k student loan forgiveness. Fuck Joe Biden for waiting until after the midterms to fuck over the rail workers. Fuck Joe Biden for blocking the strike. Fuck Joe Biden for supporting Israel against our wishes.
For someone who needs the votes of people like me to win the 2024 general election he sure ain’t fucking acting like it. He can go fuck himself along with everyone who voted for him in the primaries.
So who you voting for then?
Definitely not trump or Biden. If a decent 3rd party candidate shows I’ll go that route otherwise I’ll just write in.
Ok, so I get that you are privileged enough that you can probably ride out Trumpist fascism without much real damage, at least for a while. Just understand that there are many vulnerable people who will be seriously harmed by your decision to do anything besides voting for Biden. This isn’t dooming or trying to scare you into a vote, it’s a simple statement of fact.
If you are fine with that moral liability, then carry on.
Funny, that’s precisely how I view the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. Where’s your ire for them?
People felt the absurdity. It’s been four years. The wound isn’t festering anymore.
Biden kinda sucks
Lol no he doesnt
Yeah people catastrophise so badly when it comes to politics. Biden is bland, uninspired and gaff-prone - however, he is a safe pair of hands. Just because a politician does not make you excited does not mean they suck.
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ITT: right wing Poe’s law trolls pretending to be leftists.
Noooo russianpsyop.org told me young people hate Biden now, don’t bother voting!
NYT did a new poll with a likely voter screen and likely voters prefer Biden too.
When will we learn that all politicians are shit regardless of color? Guillotine for president 2024!!!
Who fuckin knew gwar would be the moral leaders we always needed.
Why choose the lesser evil?
CTHULHU 2024
Is been years since I’ve seen this on a bumper sticker.
In an ideal world, maybe the votes would be weighed by the expected remaining life span of the voter.
Offset by the expected wisdom of the voter.
At least it would keep Republicans out of office
