yeah if you don’t believe in jesus then you can’t be part of anything about him. The yule log, santa claus, him being born close to the winter equinix, mistletoe, holly, etc. all good christian things and not something totally anti christ like jew holidays or something. totally not pagan and so biblical. anyway the tree and the gifts are for saturnalia. I didn’t really want to get involved in the satanic holiday but xstians don’t like athiests doing their thing but the satanists are way cool with it.
It’s doubtful a single historical figure was the legendary Jesus, but I’d there was, he was about the Age of Pisces, so probably piscean, so March maybe.
I always heard spring because of the time when shepherds were moving their flock or such but that assumes a true tale.
Porque no los dos? (I don’t have the inverted question mark)
¿, here, I have an extra. ⸮¿‽
Friendly reminder that Sorbo is a traitor to his country who cheered on the Jan 6 insurrection before he realized they failed.
It took him a mere 45 minutes to conjure up the Antifa conspiracy.
The greatest Christmas song EVER! has some thoughts on the subject: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCNvZqpa-7Q
Oh yes, because xmas trees, Santa and reindeer are heavy themes in the Bible…
To me Xmas is not a religious event. The midnight mass is religious. But the whole bit with Santa, the tree, and the presents. No.
Also Jesus was born during tax season, not the winter solstice.
Santa died for our sins
You didn’t hear it from me, but word on the street is Jesus faked his death and has been living under the false identity of Santa.
DISAPPOINTED!
Wouldn’t it be great if the sorbo account is a parody account and he’s just a harmless luddite in real life, surprised and frustrated to eventually find out someone is using his likeness to say the absolutely dumbest things anyone can say?
But that would make TheLiamNissan’s dunks on him less amusing.
Totally agree, but it’s easy target practice vs an ideal world where the righteous Hercules who teamed up with xena isn’t a total asshole, and I more enjoy the wistful imagined nostalgia of the latter and can shoulder the cognitive dissonance.
Ah, yes, on that I do agree.
Sadly, he’s exactly like what his account paints him as, an out of touch jackass who thinks he’s the best thing to ever happen to low budget TV.
His ego fucked over Andromeda. That show could have been so much more, if they had just cast someone else.
I liked early Andromeda and loved season 1 of Earth: Final Conflict. Can’t blame Sorbo for EFC going down the shitter after one season, but Rodenberry properties other than Star Trek just can’t seem to get any footing.
You mean putting up a Yule tree and trading presents like the Romans did, two traditions stolen by Christianity?
As others have said, pretty much co-opted from existing traditions https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/2013/05/05/episode-24-germanic-mythology/
I’d ask, do we even know that actually happens?
Then, why did Christians turn Christmas into a commercial spectacle?
Next, what does he think about things like Christmas in Japan where it’s celebrated, but more as a cultural tradition of romance, family and friendship than a religious event (which basically is what he’s upset about here, when people do that, even though that’s also how most ostensible ‘christians’ act)
Does Kevin acknowledge that he committed blasphemy when he played Hercules?
Ofc not; that would take self-awareness.
As far as I can tell, the traditions that surround Christmas have nothing to do with Christianity. Basically most of the stuff was coopted by Christianity at some point from some other belief or religion.
There’s no mention of putting up lights or a tree or giving presents to eachother as part of celebrating Jesus’ “birthday” (which all evidence would suggest, was not in December).
So I would ask, what’s particularly Christian about Christmas trees, lights and decorations, as well as gift giving at Christmas time? What part of the Bible says that’s what you’re supposed to do?
Simply put, it’s not in the Bible.
So I really have up wonder about anyone who criticises an atheist (or literally any non-Christian) about “celebrating” Christmas, since all the traditional stuff about Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity.
Obvious exception for Christmas mass or whatever religious service is happening the same day as Christmas… Going to a church is literally the only Christian thing about Christmas that Christians do… Everything else is simply “tradition” which has no basis in the Bible.
People like Sorbo are over here trying to gate keep celebrating the holidays.
Actually there is a possible Bible reference to the Three Magi who brought gifts to baby Jesus, some Christian traditions refer to this for gift giving instead of Christmas.
The so called “three Wise Men” or whatever. Yep.
IMO that’s a bit of a flimsy argument. Jesus’ family got gifts on his birthday, so everyone should participate in unrestricted consumerism because Jesus.
… Almost everyone celebrates their birthday with gift giving. Why then, in this case, does it constitute that everyone should give stuff to their friends/family/etc? “It’s someone else’s birthday, so I got you a gift!” What? Why?
The logic is insane.
Why do you expect perfect logic from religious practice and other rituals (ex: national celebrations)? They are just made to strengthen the ties between people. It makes people happy to receive gifts because it makes them feel valued. Consumerism is a phenomenon that adds to this but it’s not specific to religious rituals, it is everywhere. Kids used to just receive simple stuff like oranges.
What to the more on all that. Xmas is basically just late to the picture as the real holiday is already over on Xmas eve.
The real bit to celebrate regardless of religion, or even, if not especially, the lackthereof, is that this is the day of the return to the sun in the Earth’s ellipse of varying distance from such.
And it isn’t just the traditions that are borrowed, but the date too. As you said, the 25th of December wasn’t Jesus’ birthday - but it apparently was the birthday of Sol Invictus. (i.e. the sun.)
Coming at him with a personal insult is not the way to go about this.
The correct way is to point out that most Christmas traditions are not rooted in Christianity, but in paganism.
Nah, simple facts don’t work on people like Sorbo. Insults don’t really work either, but at least that’s funnier.
And also, it doesn’t matter.
I don’t give a shit what kind of holiday it is, it’s just an excuse to have a day off, be with your loved ones and eat good food.
I could do that any time of the year but most people seem to like this particular season and it works for me.
I could do that any time of the year
I really don’t think you could. This is a time of year that the entire country recognizes as “holiday season”, so there’s a good chance your entire family can take off of work and all be together at that time of year.
I meant it more as in " this holiday season could be any time of the year".
Obviously we can only get off work and meet on something like a holiday, but it doesn’t matter to me what the holiday is about, or when it is, as long as i get a day off it’s all the same to me.
Edit: Also, that’s why i said
“most people seem to like this particular season”
By most people i meant society. We as a society decided this is “holiday season”, but it could be any other time of the year and it’d make little difference to me.
He’ll just call you an antifa plant.
Exactly. What is Christian about chopping down an evergreen and put it in your house? That’s a pre-christian fertility symbol to invoke the turn of the solar year and the next agricultural season.
Also, the man is an idiot.
It’s Santa’s birthday. What does it even have to do with Christians?
On a serious note it doesn’t matter. They don’t want to engage and they aren’t going to change their views. This is for the echo chamber.
I would ignore Christmas entirely if I could.
I have family members who are really into it.
And the news always acts like the entire stupid consumer driven economy is riding on it. I actually don’t care about that. But I bet if we did all choose to ignore it, they’d complain that we’re tanking the economy on purpose. You can’t win with trolls.
Is Christmas a religious holiday? Since when?
I have a friend who is a Jehovah’s Witness and he wonders why Christians do the same thing.
Oh, a snarky takedown. Meh. I prefer this:
