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A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a landmark poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK fully leaving the EU single market and customs unions.
The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has been of benefit to them or the country.
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No shit, Sherlock. The rest of the educated world could see the shit-show that would ensue. I guess it’s good they finally caught on.
Half of us in the UK knew this too. Just unfortunately a slither under half of those that voted at the time.
Please don’t tar us all with the same xenophobic self flagellating brush.
Reminder of the vocal minority. The number of instances people can say this exact statement to ranges across the world UK with Brexit America with Presidential Election, Russia with the War, China and Japan’s financial situations. It’s not that people caught on, it’s that whoever holds the cards are catching on
has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration
I don’t see how any of that implies failure. The goal of Brexit was for the UK to not be part of the EU. The UK is not part of the EU. Seems like success to me.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a landmark poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK fully leaving the EU single market and customs unions.
The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has been of benefit to them or the country.
Just one in 10 people (10%) believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.
James Crouch, head of policy and public affairs at Opinium, said the perception of Brexit being handled badly and having had negative effects on various aspect of UK life appeared to be spreading: “Public discontent at how Brexit has been handled by the government continues, with perceived failings even in areas previously seen as a potential benefit from leaving the EU.
“Half (51%) of Leave voters now think that Brexit has been bad for the UK’s ability to control immigration, piling even more pressure on an issue the government is vulnerable on.
“This shift in sentiment may be particularly stark among the ‘red wall’ voters who rallied most eagerly to Johnson’s banner four years ago, but have been most exposed to rising bills and collapsing public services since.
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Shooting themselves in the foot sucks, world shocked with surprise
Britons voted for it, now they think it’s completely failed. I don’t know guys, but there some questions that we should just not ask Britons!!?
Personally voted against Brexit, but always believed it should never have even gone to a referendum. We are a parliamentary democracy and parliament should have decided.
there some questions that we should just not ask Britons
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“Which is the best brand of brown sauce?”
We are a parliamentary democracy and parliament should have decided.
“How dare those dirty proles be given a choice”
Yup, you’re a real hero with your populism. Look how great that turned out.
People these days treat democracy like a damned religion instead of a system of governance. Turns out though that complex decisions often benefit from expertise instead of letting the lowest common denominator decide.
the lowest common denominator
Wow. Careful, your hat might blow off at those elevated heights you inhabit.
Because it turned out so damn well for the UK when they did let the average person decide on policy that they have no fucking clue about, didn’t it?
let the average person decide on policy that they have no fucking clue about
Aren’t the people in parliament, who usually decide on policy, the average person?
the lowest common denominator
How’s the weather up there in your ivory tower?
I suppose when you are down in a dank shitty hole of your own making, normal sunlight and open ground must seem like an ivory tower.
Would you like me to let down a rope ladder for you?
We are a parliamentary democracy and parliament should have decided.
It was decided by the political class, otherwise it wouldn’t have happened. With such a slim margin they could have said “oh well, it’s practically 50-50, it’s wiser to maintain the status quo”.
Particularly given at the time it was presented as an opinion vote. Of course when it turned it the way the ERG wanted they couldn’t wait to push a retcon to make it binding through parliament because small margins apparently mean unassailable “will of the people”. Had it gone the other way they would have used it to push for another binding one “look nearly half of people want it… bla bla bla”.
I didn’t want Brexit, but I honestly don’t have any issue with the referendum being held. The people should be allowed to make that choice, but…
The whole point of a representative democracy is to acknowledge that in some cases the populace lack the proper understanding to make an informed choice.
The problem is letting people be deliberately missinformed. To the point they were tricked into voting against their own interest. Allowing that is the issue and throughing a referendum into that was always going to end badly.
Refernerdums of this size and impact should require more than a simple majority. Or countries would just reinvent themselves and rectify new constitutions 3 times a month.
The problem is that it was an advisory vote and it is should have been handled by initially deciding a negotiating position.
Leaving the EU meant a lot of different things and the approximate idea of implementation should have been decided on before leaving.
The yes/no nature of the vote was also a mistake. “Keep it as it is” Vs “change something” lumped in everyone who wanted anything from a swiss or Nordic style deal down to hard brexiteers and protest votes into the same category, when normally they wouldn’t have agreed.
If it were to happen at all, it should have been a ranked vote.
It exhausts me how dumb the country I live in is (the US) and I appreciate that there is another country out there that can at least make me feel a little bit better about how dumb my country is.
It’s become undeniable.
My mother was all in on Brexit, she started out fiercely declaring it’s what the country needed.
Then she said it’s going to benefit the country soon, then said it needs some time.
Then she said that everything going wrong was unrelated to Brexit. Then said its not that bad, and the eventual positives will balance out.
That’s the opinion shifting over the years. She now admits it was a mistake, “but how could we have known?!?”…
At least your mom acknowledges it was a mistake.
Your Mum’s journey seems quite positive, overall. Is she now in favour of re-joining? If not, then she still has a long way to go.
My Dad has a good pension and a good job at the same time. He won’t notice that things have gotten worse for most people, and if he does I don’t think he will see the correlation anyway.
Tbf, there were multiple scenarios, and most people thought they were going to end up with an EEA arrangement at least.
Of course, anyone who knew anything about the statutes knew it wasn’t going to happen, but there was a lot of wishful thinking going around.
Saying that most Brexit voters thought anything about an EEA arrangement is giving them too much credit imo.
Their thought process was as shallow as “we should be independent, get the foreigners out, save EU membership fees, then everything will be good”, with no thought about the reality of the situation and how it will be achieved.
A lot of them wanted hard Brexit just because negotiating a deal was taking too long, because in their minds it’s as simple as just leaving.
All these views were rampant as Brexit was all things to all people.
Destination of a sunk cost facility but hey nearly a decade on let’s not upset the unicorns
Excellent. Labour, the next government of the UK, will see this polling in the guardian and campaign on an easy win to rejoin the EU?
Will they fuck. Both Labour and Tories want Brexit votes in the North and poor areas of the country. Hence neither will do anything but more Brexit. The sad thing is that people will still vote Labour in massive numbers and keep us in Brexit mode. Get used to it lads… a decade or two more of this.
What’s the alternative? With fptp it’s labour or Tories and it takes a major shift to make one of the other parties a threat.
Labour and Tories both benefit from fptp so there’s no way theyre ever going to change it.
The alternative is that Labour immediately upon getting in says: Right lads we’re going back in because it is clear the damage to the country is too immense - you’ll thank us in five years time. If they do this immediately they might stand a chance in the election after that. Clearly 50% of the electorate will still vote for them based on the referendum results and even more now according to these polls for them to win the election after next.
So the alternative is for Labour to do what is best for the long term health of the country and not simply themselves.
In poll land Brexit never happened, which set the stage for an uneventful 4-year Clinton presidency mostly famous for an iconic photo-op pres Clinton took with the zoo animal, Harambe, following a G20 summit where Xi boasted of negotiating Putin off a suicidal scheme to invade Kyiv, and also of successfully preventing a near-miss that would have led Wuhan to become the epicenter of a global health disaster. With me stranded here on the other side at the Berenstain universe, excuse me if I don’t get ahead of myself celebrating this poll.
You cooked it, you served it, now you eat it.
I wonder. In Australia, Germany, and the bulk of the world prices are crazy, due to greed in the covid times.
Are Brits mistaking this phenomena with Brexit?
In Australia we, for the first ever time, have a highly visible homeless problem for example. Houses are not affordable for future generations. Basics are getting out of reach financially.
If we’d had an “exit” of sorts, would we even know if it was the exit, or the covid greed?
I suspect we’d blame it on the exit.
It’s a lot easier for politicians and capitalists to blame brexit (a choice made by the people) rather than their own utter cockup of handling covid.
It’s not just COVID. COVID just accelerated a crisis of capitalism that was already underway around the world. And Brexit didn’t help.
I wonder. In Australia, Germany, and the bulk of the world prices are crazy, due to greed in the covid times.
The inflation is mostly energy squeeze because of the Ukraine war and the supply issues for Russian oil and gas.
Don’t take my word for it, look at the graphs.
It’s not COVID.
Maybe in DE and UK, but Australia is a major energy producer, compared to our population. That doesn’t hold up for Australia, NZ, etc etc
Oh dear. Sorry I misread “Australia, Germany” as “Austria, Germany”.
Germany, definitely Russian oil. Australia, no clue mate ;)
That makes sense. I didn’t click that you might have thought Austria.
However the bulk of Australian natural gas is contracted to be shipped overseas (mostly to china), so despite the abundance of the resource it’s mostly not available for local usage. Besides even if it was world market prices will prevail. If you think Clive, Woodside or Gina are going to cut a discount to the aussie public when they can make more shipping it overseas then I have a bridge for sale
