If you had asked me January 5th what would happen if a mob tried to storm the capital and attack congress, I would have said they would be mowed down by machine gun fire.
After January 6th, I remember thinking “well shit, if people had actually showed up we really could have stormed area 51.”
Y’all seem to be forgetting that the reason this was a coup attempt is because the national guard was never called in despite officials knowing of the attack.
They literally paved the way for the magats to get inside.
A lot of Capitol police fought like fucking lions and are responsible for the survival of most of congress.
But there were also a few collaborators in there, make no mistake.
That one cop, I’m actually upset I forget the name of, that lead a group away from congressmen by baiting them into a trap will forever be a hero to me.
I mean acab but this guy still sets a better example than most.
Eugene Goodman
When the name fits
Feels Goodman
Which reminds me that Kevin Sorbo tried pushing for the Jan 6 insurrection and after it failed, he deleted the posts and said it was an Antifa plot to frame Donald Trump.
Or this lol
You have to wonder how much of this is Sorbo’s conservative brainrot and how much is being a paid conservative influencer, because this is disinformation agent type shit.
Probably equally both and given time he buys what he’s selling.
Reminder that QAnon Shaman is running for Congress in Arizona’s 8th district as a Libertarian. That doesn’t exactly describe a leftist agitator.
Reminder that just because somebody runs as something doesn’t mean that they are that thing. I can guarantee you that dipshit has no idea what the non-aggression principle is.
Furthermore, libertarianism is not a left right spectrum ideology. There are left libertarians. There are centrist libertarians, and there are right libertarians.
For reference, authoritarianism also bounds the spectrums of left to right.
Left to right is economic theory authoritarian to libertarian is social theory. They are two separate axises.
In my opinion, the shaman dude is definitely somewhere on the right side of the chart in the authoritarian section.
Sincerely, a. Centrist and minarchist.
Furthermore, libertarianism is not a left right spectrum ideology
In theory, maybe. In practice, though, if an American claims to be a libertarian, in my experience they’re more than likely either a republican that knows they can’t get laid while calling themselves a republican, or a republican that likes weed(or both)
But your personal frame of reference is not the definition. Clearly, this shaman person is a Republican pretending to be a libertarian. So call them out on the bullshit instead of allowing them to hide under a banner of a party that is not theirs with ideals that they do not represent.
I never said it was the definition, but the definition is besides the point as far as I am concerned; I’m not a libertarian, so I frankly don’t care what libertarians “actually” believe, I don’t care if the word is being “co-opted” or whatever.
What matters to me is that the vast, VAST majority of people I meet and know of that claim to be libertarian are awful people; so yes, my initial assumption when someone claims to be a libertarian, until proven otherwise, is they’re not a good person.
While I understand your position, I would have to completely disagree with it on principle. If you sub in any word besides libertarian, you’ll see what I mean. In my opinion, you should care for accurate definitions in order for us to all maintain a common understanding and a productive straightforward discourse.
“What matters to me is that the vast, VAST majority of people I meet and know of that claim to be French are awful people; so yes, my initial assumption when someone claims to be a French, until proven otherwise, is they’re not a good person.”
/S
Then to continue the example let’s pretend every French person you have ever met is actually from Paris and not any other part of the country.
If all previous experiences are negative and the actual definition seems outlandish, that’s a valid opinion. It’s not your fault if you never learned of non-negative examples.
The only question is how to apply this bias. The harm in assuming libertarians as Republican doesn’t seem critical to me. I haven’t made any other experiences so maybe I’m just as biased.
But maybe you’re simply the only one living your non-right interpretation/definition of libertarianism. I’d have to hear your point of views to actually believe it.*I’ve read some things about ‘true’ libertarianism in the past but couldn’t find any community living it. It’s like all those guys on hexbear preaching to be the most loving people while spewing hate and fascist opinions wherever they can.
Most of the Republicans seem to be so far right that those few moderate-right Republicans would have to distance themselves clearly to actually represent their position. If you distance yourself from all those “LINOS” (do I have to give Trump credit for this?) that others and me see everywhere, then you might be rather alone, I’d wager.
That’s what should have happened.
that only happens if you are a leftie
fascists get a pass
Not gonna lie, I was watching horrified that police were about to do the thing on live TV. The emotions jumping between “they’re just letting this happen??” and “Omg this is about to be bad” with each corridor the insurrectionists entered was too much.
Sometimes I wonder if I was watching a different set of events than everyone else that day.
I saw a bunch of people walking through the building like a crowded walking tour. I saw people holding posters and chanting outside. The news anchors were making jokes super lighthearted. I think this was CNN btw.
Then I went to work the next day and people were all freaking out, and everyone had the same term for it: “insurrection.” None of us had heard that term before. I would have called it a protest, or a riot.
A mostly peaceful protest.
Then I went to work the next day and people were all freaking out, and everyone had the same term for it: “insurrection.” None of us had heard that term before.
I can’t stop laughing at this statement. Gonna bet you know what kind of person OP is just from this sentence alone.
I would be willing to bet 85% of the living US population had never heard that word before, let alone used it, until the news told them to do so
Yes it was different coverage. I saw dozens of people beating police and breaking open windows, doors, barricades, while chanting hang mike pence and similar slogans, all live in 1080p
Violent gun nuts brought no guns to over throw the government. That’s enough for me to know the narrative is not reality.
Just a friendly tour group.
Dang, changing a flag? That’s pretty scary.
I can think of a few other protests/riots that were a lot more violent and dangerous, that occured in a similar time period in the US, that seem to be all but forgotten…
Burning down city centers, looting from small businesses. Murdering people indiscriminately. It’s strange what the online community has fixated on.
It will but only if you’re a leftist.
claim: “violently storming in”
reality: police and security calmly opening doors for people to calmly walk in and take selfies.
