The arguments about “inefficiency” and “bureaucracy” have to be the most baffling ones to me. We already have a system that is an inefficient maze of red tape, lengthy forms, and arbitrary decisions about healthcare availability made by suits without medical training. We already pay high premiums. What “efficiencies” of capitalist healthcare are we so desperate to preserve?
cApItaLIsm iS tHe OnlY EfFiCiEnT sYsUUuuuuM!!11!1!1 - every capitalist-simp
Capitalism is very analogous to evolution. I wouldn’t call it efficient in any way.
interesting, pls expand
Its the only system… what an odd thing to say.
Are you… Unfamiliar with the numerous other types economic systems?
what an odd thing to say.
Uno reverse.
Please name an economic system on planet earth that doesnt revolve around capitalism and where it is used.
OP did not specify “currently in use”. You added that all by yourself. Additionally, something currently being in use does not imply it is the best possible option. We lived under fuedal socio-economic systems for thousands of years, now we live under corporatist/capitalist systems. I don’t know what will come in the future.
So none then. See that was easy
Nice strawman, made that one yourself?
Right?
“people wait for MONTHS for non-emergent surgeries in places with universal healthcare”
You mean exactly like how the doctors here schedule grandma’s knee replacement for May in January?
There is no non-luxury millionaire concierge medicine plan eventuality here in the US where someone complains about chronic pain, gets a diagnosis that isn’t life threatening, and has the doctor pencil in their chronic pain addressing surgery for that afternoon.
Just another empty strawman explicitly made to derail the conversation.
Dude a millionaire isn’t even rich anymore. Any boomer who bought and paid off their house since the 80s-90s in a halfway populated area is most the way there just in home equity alone.
“It takes MONTHS to get surgery in those dirty socialist countries!”
Everyone I know who has taken months to get in for surgery in THIS fucking country:
And the poor people who don’t go to the hospital unless they’re actively dying because they’re living paycheck to paycheck and cant afford it…
Shit, not even “poor” people, not with these healthcare premiums and prices…
Thats exactly what they mean when they complain about wait times in other countries. In their mind, it’s better for other people to suffer and die than to be in front of them in line. Especially poor people.
My roommate waited 9 months for a specialty surgery, but the surgeon injured themself right before his surgery and he then needed to go on the waitlist for an additional 6 months. He finally got the surgery, but instead of it being in the summer, it was during midterms, which fucked him over.
I fucking hate American healthcare, and I hate the “socialism is when you wait 6 months for a doctor” bullshit that always comes up when socialized healthcare is discussed.
Imagine sticking up for shitty insurance companies 🤮
As someone who moved to a country with privatized healthcare and is currently sitting in a 10 minute line to get seen, this meme can shove itself up OPs butt.
I’m not against universal healthcare but if I’m willing to pay to get seen quickly, I want that option. Canada’s healthcare system is the #1 reason I’m out.
As a follow-up, perhaps the issue isn’t private vs public healthcare, because both the US and Canada are melting garbage. In any case, I moved to Korea, and the healthcare is to die for (thankfully I no longer need to do that).
No, they should not be able to. The most in need of treatment should get treatment first, period. Paying to get seen quickly is quite literally paying to have someone higher up on the priority list bumped down due to their financial capability.
“Lol sorry mate, yea you’re in excruciating pain and can afford a private doctor in 2/3rds of the world, but maybe you shouldn’t have done something stupid to wind up this way. Please wait 6 hours.”
“Why are all the wealthy people moving away???”
I personally take pride in not giving the Canadian government their absurd tax rate anymore.
Damn that’s crazy bro… Go fly to your private hospital then
If it means literally not dying, buying a plane ticket to a place with healthcare seems reasonable to me. It’s what people in 3rd world countries do, so why shouldn’t we?
If you’re in excruciating pain, you aren’t going to wait longer than people higher up in the priority list. Paying to get ahead means you’re skipping people who need the care more than you do, and you’re saying that you shouldn’t have to be treated like the rest of the poors.
Honestly disgusting rhetoric.
I’d love to agree, but 2 months ago my mum had a minor stroke and waited all day to get seen. Here’s the chat from her time:
She could have driven to the states and paid for treatment in that time. Paying means you’re skipping the queue? I’m asking for private hospitals that can actually manage their queue.
That says nothing about who was ahead of her in line. Sounds like you need more funding for Healthcare, not bullshit privatized hospitals that cause poor people to die or go bankrupt.
Sure, country needs more funding for healthcare. Hope they have fun with that, I left. I voted and advocated for education and healthcare while I was there, but I’m not gonna die over it. I got other things to do with my life.
The funny thing is that there is privatized healthcare in Canada on top of their universal healthcare, if you see yourself more important than the peasants who need to use it.
Truly spoken like someone who hasn’t tried to get good healthcare in Canada
Nobody should be able to pay to get seen quickly, that bloats the entire system and fundamentally destroys the concept of triage.
The fundamental flaw with your argument is you’re assuming hospitals can’t do more with more funding
Triage will exist regardless of the size of the hospital. If people can pay more, then it should be funded with more taxes, not privatized so that the concept of triage is ruined and poor people die because rich people want to cut in line.
Pretty much same reply as I made to another comment -
Then it should be funded with more taxes
Yea it should. Hope they have fun with it, I left because I’m not gonna risk dying while they figure that out.
