• fosforus@sopuli.xyz
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    I’m the opposite of a Trump supporter, but

    1. economic decisions have long latencies
    2. the improving curve of US economics started during Trump years and merely continued during Biden years
    3. economic decisions are largely made outside of the Executive Branch
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      You are right. Taking credit for the other party’s reforms has been going on for so long it’s just taken for granted now.

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    6 months ago

    Anytime someone whines about lemmy not getting widespread adoption I’m linking this comment section. Cesspool of a community. Go touch some fucking grass lol.

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      I thinks it more that the politics of the terminally online are an anti-west, anti-hegemony, feedback loop. Since Biden doesn’t support the destruction of capitalism then these things don’t matter and everything wrong with the world is his fault.

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          Yeah that part is ridiculous. I don’t think that this is a good meme.

          I think it’s also equally ridiculous to lay responsibility on him for the conflict in Gaza. Without at least discussing the geopolitical realities that necessitate we have a reliable ally in the region.

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            I think the responsibility is more to do with sending unconditional aid to Israel, even bypassing Congress to do it, especially as the case for an apartheid regime committing genocide is being laid out on the world stage.

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        Illegal immigration because you have defined it to be illegal due to xenophobe sentiment.

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                Not just that. The reason it’s historic is that we have an historic amount of illegal immigration.

                I just read this as a defence of Biden’s border policy with something along the lines of “of course he has to secure the border, it is overflowing” argued on the basis of “illegal immigration has gone up”. Glad to hear I was wrong and also fuck fucking borders.

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                  Nah. They’re claiming they’ve done something that people should see as good, but literally are doing the opposite.

                  Eliminate borders. Legalize drugs.

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    You probably shouldn’t open with unemployment rate to “prove” that a president did something since they have nothing to do with that. Also, great job both sidesing the far left and far right, oh enlightened centrist.

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    Lol saved democracy in Europe, if the rest is just as accurate then he indeed hasn’t been very active in office

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      I hate when people are making valid points, but to get their point across they add bs like that. It just invalidates the whole argument, just stick it the straightforward facts.

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    EO 14074 only applies to federal LEOs. Which is a very small percentage of the US police force. Definitely not “All police dept’s [sic]”.

    Just because it’s in a spongebob meme doesn’t make it true.

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    For the President of a 100 trillion dollar economy this isn’t the list you think it is.

    Even if it were just slap a dead gazan child on there and it is all rendered moot real quick.

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    Brainwash bullshit, yikes. Even if these things were true it was congress that passes laws and enacts legislation and not the president dictating this shit.

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        That wouldn’t be something I would call a significant thing he did. That EO provided extra medicaid and medicare funding which has been described as “not enough”

        Despite that executive order millions of Americans are still uncovered. He ended the pandemic funding, he ended covid testing and this does absolutely dick for the majority of Americans that have health care but have things like HDHPs and I still can’t afford to go to the doctor.

        Sure the president enacted this, it isn’t significant and without an act of congress it won’t even last a year. He made that EO because his landmark legislation Build Back Better failed in congress and that was a make up provision which was less than intended.

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          You have valid complaints here, none of which were originally stated. You said:

          Brainwash bullshit, yikes. Even if these things were true it was congress that passes laws and enacts legislation and not the president dictating this shit.

          All I was trying to do was point out that this statement is blatantly false with evidence from the original meme.

          I agree with most of your sentiment, EOs are not long term solutions. You can’t say that the president is not responsible for them though.

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    Not sure who you think The Left™ is but we’re mostly angry about him supporting genocide. I guess because he did so those good things we should just ignore that?

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        Israel indiscriminately bombed 80% of homes in Gaza as well as hospitals and schools where people were seeking refuge, killing upwards of 24,000 people, 12,000 of which were children. The casualties used to be counted by the hospitals but after Israel bombed and destroyed many of them and put the others out of order, there is no mechanism for the casualties to be counted, so hundreds are dying and no one is able to keep track. The official numbers were based off the bodies that reached the hospitals so they are missing all of those who couldn’t be recovered from under the rubble, which are a large number because people recovering victims are doing it barehanded with no tools or vehicles. Israel cut off water, food, and medical aid from reaching Gaza. People have died from starvation, illness, and are being forced to ration water 2 liters a person per day for bathing, drinking, and washing meaning there is risk of death from dehydration.

        The United States provided Israel with unlimited bombs in order to conduct this genocide. The US also provided direct military support by stationing its aircraft carrier near gaza in the Mediterranean in order to ward off any intervention against the genocide. Joe Biden bypassed congress in order to provide Israel the weapons and funding, not to mislead you that congress would have done anything differently, the entire United States government is genocidal.

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            Inside the Gaza strip Hamas’s Al Qassam brigade has been engaging the invading Israeli military with small arms, mortars, and rocket launchers. The numbers of Israeli military casualties are not known because Israel censors them. Early on in the genocide Hamas offered to release its prisoners in exchange for a permanent ceasefire but Israel refused. Israel opted to continue its genocide, recovering none of its prisoners. In fact the Israeli military killed 5 of their own hostages. 3 were shot while waving a white flag in the street. 2 were killed in airstrikes.

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              Additionally, the initial civilian casualties on the Israeli side were also largely self-inflicted due to their indiscriminate use of force:

              https://popularresistance.org/how-israeli-forces-trapped-and-killed-ravers-at-the-nova-festival/

              A major reason Hamas launched the Al-Aqsa Flood operation was to take Israeli captives that could be exchanged for the thousands of Palestinians held captive in Israeli prisons. But Israeli forces were determined to prevent Hamas from taking captives back to Gaza, even if this meant killing the captured civilians.

              An investigation of Israel’s long-controversial Hannibal Directive concludes that “from the point of view of the army, a dead soldier is better than a captive soldier who himself suffers and forces the state to release thousands of captives in order to obtain his release.”

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                Yes, Israeli eye witness testimonies point to the Israeli military shelling homes in the be’eri settlement with tank fire, firing onto festival goers from helicopters, and shooting at Al Qassam operators with Israeli civilians in the way. Israel confirmed that 200 of the 400 burnt bodies found were not israeli, meaning that israel bombed both Al Qassam operators and 200 of their own civilians during the operation, killing them and burning their bodies.

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        People do not understand diplomacy or war , don’t care about informing themselves or understanding nuance, and like acting and feeling smart. Most of this criticism is purely emotional.

        The US and Israel have a very tight strategic relationship and part of it is the US delivering weapons to them. Now the Israelis are annihilating Gaza/Palestine because of the Hamas, and many are demanding a “ceasefire” and holding the US responsible for not stopping the weapons deliveries.

        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/07/us-israel-military-support-scrutiny-human-rights

        Now, there’s certainly a lot to criticize about Israel’s lack of care against civilian casualties. However, the calls for a ceasefire agreement with the Hamas, who literally do not care about anything other than sowing chaos and discord and destroying Israel, is naive at best and completely dumb and malicious at worst.

        If the US stops all weapons deliveries, the Hamas will just recoup and continue to harass Israel. It should be noted as well that the Hamas have shown time and time again to not care about their own population and that they just love using them for their personal gain, especially in international appearances (like this “Genocide Joe” circle jerk).

        Because of Israel’s lack of care for civilians the US is now, at least according to the media, putting more and more pressure on Israel to watch human rights if they want to keep the endless weapons supplies.

        It’s quite a complicated topic and I’m not an expert myself, but many takes on it out there just completely disregard reality in favor of catchy slogans and appeals to emotion.

        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/frustrations-biden-israeli-pm-netanyahu-mount-rcna134263

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          It’s quite a complicated topic and I’m not an expert myself, but many takes on it out there just completely disregard reality in favor of catchy slogans and appeals to emotion.

          It’s really not, ethnostates are categorically shit and there’s no fucking nuance there. You said it yourself “Israel” is a geostrategic interest of the US, because of its location.

          if “Israel” didn’t exist, the US would have to create it. That’s a direct quote from Joe Biden.

          The “pressure” they’re applying is just for the cameras to spin and gullible rubes to believe. The actions speak far louder. 3 aircraft carrier groups mobilized because the second-poorest country in the middle east was trying to interfere with “Israels” genocide. They could stop weapons shipments at any time, they have instead sped them up.

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            There’s always nuance, you’re very wrong here. Israel is an ethnostate for very good reasons and (excluding the occupied areas) it’s clearly no apartheid state. Although it’s a Jewish state, the arabic Israelis within Israeli territory are not 2nd class citizens.

            If just one of the countless “Genocide!” screamers on the internet could explain the discrepancy between the criticism of Israels behaviour and the concurrent absolute non-existence of any Jewish minority whatsoever in any of Israels neighbours… That would be great. While these are not all ethnostates they have eradicated or expelled their respective Jewish minorities a long time ago. But Israel is shit because it’s an ethnostate? Lol

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              the ethnostate apologizer has arrived. It is an apartheid state, that’s why South Africa has felt so compelled to call it out for its actions.

              Before the british and french showed up, there were muslims, christians, and jews living side by side across the ottoman empire. Sure it had its problems, but consolidating all the jews into a US-backed military ethnostate is not the answer.

              It served British, and now US geostrategic interests.

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                I also don’t think that it’s a good answer and I fully agree that the status quo of the ottoman empire was better and by a lot. Nevertheless there are double standards in how Israels actions are viewed by many self-proclaimed progressives or leftists when compared with the conditions in other countries in the middle east.

                And just stating that this state of affairs is the fault of the US and European colonialist nations is devoid of nuance, obviously wrong and does not lead to any solutions at all.

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                  I have lots of issues with the social conditions of the various colonized countries surrounding Israel, but I still offer them critical support in their resistance against colonial occupation.

                  I really don’t think that highlighting the historical culpability of the US/european interests in the current situation is robbing any nuance from the discussion. Across many different colonial occupations there has often been some social issue pointed to as the “reason” why it’s “ok” for the savages to be colonized, because it’s bringing civilization.

                  It may sound benevolent, but it that’s just european chauvinism, creating the terrain for poverty, then acting like the social reaction rising from poverty and occupation as some sort of inherent characteristic in a post-hoc justification.