A whole swath of GOP voters appears firmly committed to not voting for Trump in November.
Donald Trump has a problem no matter what happens in New Hampshire on Tuesday night: There’s a whole swath of the Republican electorate and a good chunk of independents who appear firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes the nominee.
It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.
“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”
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Thank god there are still sane Republicans. I know MAGATs are the loud minority of their party, but it is disheartening seeing some of the “real” Republicans being ok with voting for someone who literally said they will be a dictator. Not to mention the fact that trump has also been using nazi talking points.
We have to hope that enough of the left will suck it up and vote for Biden. I get it guys, he’s got a lot of issues. I don’t particularly like him, but if we want our country to continue being more-or-less free, we don’t have a choice. It’s that or prepare for a civil war, and I know I don’t particularly want to die on the mason-dixon line
I hate the two-party system so much.
“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,”
I heard the same from Republicans the last two times. Each time, they lined up and voted Trump.
This boomer voted for him twice already and only now realized he’s “as corrupt as he is.” We’re so fucked.
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If 8% of his former voters have gone never trump that sinks him in pretty much every swing state. Some of these were decided by just a few thousand votes in the past two elections, and 1% margins or less.
“I can’t morally support the lesser of 2 evils”
Yes you can. Not voting/third party voting helps the Republican party. This is a mathematical fact. Every single person who doesn’t vote for Joe Biden and could is supporting Donald Trump. If you’re an eligible voter you can only influence the election in one of two directions. There is no “sitting out” option. It does not exist. Not voting does not remove your influence on the results, it simply lessens the impact.
Biden is not my first choice by any means, but this is the reality of the situation. If you think it could be fixed by electing Republicans to power I would be very interested in hearing how the fuck that would work.
edit: i’m saying ive heard it, not that it’s something i agree with
i have heard the argument “with a democrat as president, the left is asleep”
i.e. there were no major protests during biden’s presidency that involved burning dumpsters…When things are less bad people complain less?
There’s a lot of stupid people in these interviews:
“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”
You voted for him in 2016 I might grant ignorance then, but in 2020?
Then there’s democrats on the other side turning up their noses at the idea of voting for Biden as the lesser of two evils. This is an existential fight for democracy and people are getting persnickety with fascism at the gates?
My California vote isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on I’ll throw my vote away if I like.
You’re part of the problem, then.
Proud of it too.
You’ll look back on this and cringe after you graduate high school.
I’m cringing at your simplistic understanding of the electorial collage right now. You vote blue no matter who types are pulling the Overton window right just as hard as the republicans.
You vote blue no matter who types are pulling the Overton window right just as hard as the republicans.
Yeah that makes no sense whatsoever but you said it with complete conviction. Very 2024 of you.
Would you like to know which state has the most number of registered republicans? It’s California. California just happens to be the most populous state with only 25% of it’s populous being Republican. Voting absolutely matters and despite California being predominantly Democrat controlled, if regular people don’t vote, these racist country destroying inbred fucks will.
Oh I vote. I vote in every election on every position. I have a buddy and we research everyone on the ballot separately and then discuss as we fill them out. But I always vote 3rd party for president. I do this because I know how California will vote federally. I believe a third party can succeed in this country, but it will take lots of incremental steps by people willing to do it, and do it with no hope of winning but just pushing that percentage up bit by bit, it happened to the whig’s, it can happen to the modern parties. I don’t even agree with most of the 3rd party candidates I vote for. But I know if we spread the owner class enough they can’t just buy every side of every position.
A well reasoned argument and a good point.
Yeah, proud Californian here whose last Republican vote went to Schwarzenegger. Never another Republican ever again. I refuse to let this state become a complete shit hole in allowing Republicans and Christian Fascists to settle here safely. Your vote is never going to be worth it. Just leave.
I can forgive some Trump voters in 16. A lot of them were just following the time honored script of republicans good, democrats bad, go team. I knew a few that eventually saw it for what it is and had enough character to admit they were wrong.
But that’s pretty damn limited. We knew who he was in 16. There were no surprises for most of us during his presidency. If you then voted for him in 2020 you had excuse. You were just a fucking idiot.
If you vote for him in 24. You’re not only an idiot you particularly hate America and you’re a joke.
The big question is will Republicans hold their nose from the Trumpy stench and vote for him? 🤭
Nevermind the difficulty of running things from prison.
He’s never going to go to prison.
I tend to agree, but only because his cognitive decline has approached downhill rollercoaster speed. He is transitioning from useful idiot to completely useless idiot, that much is clear.
Speaking solely for myself, I think that when that change is completed he will either fade into full dementia, excused from further criminal prosecution by reason of obvious insanity, or one of his handlers will George V him.
At some point, he’s going to openly and unmistakably sundown live on video: after that, no one who understands from experience what that is will ever be able to call his advancing dementia by any other name, and that might even include his own diehard supporters.
He’s sundowned a bunch on video already.
A bit. What we’ve seen so far is very mild for sundowning and is just a sort of generic confusion that they all get. Sundowning – the decompensation that happens at the end of a day – tends to be FAR worse.
I’m anticipating the full meltdown, where they get agitated, combative, and lose all sense of where they are, screaming, incoherent, crying in rage, literally hitting out at anyone who tries to touch them, pacing uncontrollably, stalking off and then stalking back (or just leaving to wander off), etc. Once you’ve seen it come on and then erupt into full flower, you’ll never forget it.
To quote the prophetic words of Bachman Turner Overdrive, “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”
I can’t wait to see that fat fuck shit himself on television.
We probably already have and just don’t know it, lol.
Trump is a symptom of the disease that will never die. We all have to keep fighting, voting, discussing. Late stage capitalism will attempt to silence us all.
Is it jail? Should definitely be jail.
Maybe in a country that isn’t corrupt.
