Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.
The nine-person jury began deliberations in federal court in New York at 1:40 p.m. ET and reached a verdict in just under three hours.
Wow, 3x the money in punitive damage. Imagine how bad it’d be if this country did anything but fine rich people for being evil…
Waiting for the SCOTUS to (again) reduce punitive damage limits in order to protect their special boy.
Historically, they HATE punitive civil damages and look for cases to cut them back. That’s where the current ~4x limit currently exists, which even in the State Farm decision was clearly flagged as toeing the line.
Just look at how little actual damage Exxon ever paid for the Valdez spill. Or McDonalds for the hot coffee. These punitive damages always have a habit of just evaporating after the headlines. Leaving the victim little better off than before.
I doubt that will happen. This is round two of defaming her; it’s already been established that he raped and defamed her, and it is glaringly obvious that he did it again (even before this verdict). His team will have to first appeal to the New York Court of Appeals, and it’s very unlikely that they’ll even hear it.
SCOTUS isn’t likely to do him a favor but virtue of the highest court in NY not hearing it and this being a very obvious case of repeat offense. They suck right now, and they’ve made some really awful arguments and rulings, but they haven’t exactly been a rubber stamp for Trump or Conservatives, either.
Thanks for the sanity check. I’m not lover of the current Court, but no, they’re not partisan (ruling for the GOP or Trump).
Been collecting cases to show this. Only been going a week so far:
I overshot the damages award in a previous comment I made. I thought it was going to be closer to $150 million, but $83 million is still substantial. Plus there is a strong likelihood E. Jean Carroll and Robbie Kaplan could sue Donald Trump for defamation again for all the things he posted during this trial.
Well he a billionaire so $83 million is a drop in the bucket. He’s probably got that much as change in the couch /s
83,000 would be a drop in the bucket. 83 million is more like a water bottle in a bucket.
“Well he a billionaire” [citation needed].
In late stage capitalism, having a billion and owing three billion means you in effect still have a billion.
It’s not like with normal people who have to subtract debt from assets and actually pay what we owe.
So yeah, he’s a billionaire in all ways that affect him and will be until he dies, which can’t happen soon enough.
That’s the beauty, his own sworn evidence that he brought in during the NY trial.
This is where worlds collide, especially if the NY judge orders the dissolution of the companies in NY, all assets will need to be moved, I bet ms Carrol’s’ lawyers will be standing by the sideline to make sure she gets paid.And themselves! If they’re working on contingency they’ve got 8 figures coming their way too.
Enlightened Self-interest.
Funny thing would be that if he now claims he cannot pay, he automatically admits perjury in the other trial.
I present to you the only proof that he’s a billionaire: He said so. That’s valid, right? Right? Guys? Anybody?
In the instance of the court setting damages, I’m happy to accept the highest valuation Trump has to offer
I’d just love to see this snowball into an avalanche.
It’s already happening. He’s probably defaming her on Truth Social right now while OD’ing on McDonald’s.
He couldn’t shut up if his life depended on being quiet. I hope this drains his pockets until there’s nothing left.
I hope it’s draining Republican Party coffers, which it indirectly seems to be
It’s a civil case, unfortunately, so jail time was never an option. At the time the incident occurred, there was a five year statute of limitations, so Trump has never been charged criminally in the matter.
There’s something truly gross about a civil case being the only recourse for a heinous crime.
She will never see a dime. He gets away with it again, and he will continue to until he is actually taken into custody.
This is different. All his properties in New York are under receivership. If and when they are forcibly sold to pay the judgement in the New York Civil fraud trial any remaining funds will go directly to E. Jean Carroll as she will be a lien holder on those assets.
Judgment creditors are last in line, the government is first. He won’t have anything left over.
It won’t matter he will just delay and appeal till he dies and then his kids will do the same thing and sue to keep it from ever happening
IIRC he has to put up a cash bond equal to the value of the judgement in order to appeal it. In other words he has to come up with $83.3 million in cash in order to appeal. I’m not sure he has that even if he raids the campaign fund.
Appeals are not an infinite process, and as we have already seem multiple times just this month the New York State Court of Appeals has either denied his requests for appeal or swiftly ruled against him. Sometimes the rock hard cock of the law does catch up with you.
As Martin Luther King Jr. said, “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”
Edit: I changed my initial statement because I forgot this case was in federal court not state court.
What did MLK say about the “rock hard cock of the law?”
I think it was something about having a dream and then needing to change the sheets.
He’ll pay as much as Alex Jones has. Jack shit. Unless the court can forcibly remove the funds from their accounts or put them in prison until they pay, these fucks will do nothing.
I want her to be able to put liens on all his properties. I doubt that can happen but it would be glorious.
Yeah, he’s well-known as a deadbeat.
Unless the court can forcibly remove the funds from their accounts
Yes, the courts can and absolutely will, though not in this case, because he’s going to cough up the cash quickly (well as quickly as he can sell some stuff because there’s no way he has that much in liquid assets).
Can we start a pool on when/if he actually pays?
He already paid the previous $5 million. Technically it’s in an escrow pending appeal, so Carroll doesn’t have it yet. But regardless, Trump is out $5 million.
Now Trump has four choices:
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Pay the $83 million to Carroll
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File an appeal, which means either paying $83 million into an escrow account or putting a lien on his properties and getting a bank to pay $83 million into an escrow account. Either way, Carroll gets the money as soon as she wins the appeal
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Do nothing. This is the worst option, because after 30 days Carroll’s lawyers would start choosing Trump properties to auction off and/or directly withdrawing money from his bank accounts.
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Declare bankruptcy. This could introduce a delay, but it will inevitably result in Trump properties being auctioned off.
Option 3 doesn’t seem to be working for Alex Jones’s creditors.
He chose option 4, and his estate is facing liquidation.
Wouldn’t New York have a lien on most of his properties with their fraud case?
I guess he will likely will try to appeal the amount and leverage another lein onto his properties. He could also use his grift money from the PAC’s to pay into the escrow.
Of course his appeal will go swimmingly when he defames her again in 3… 2… 1…
He can’t appeal the amount. He has to put the amount into escrow before he can appeal. That’s standard practice for courts, so that people don’t try to weasel out of paying. Trump isn’t the first person to lose a big lawsuit…
If all of Trump’s properties are under lien and he has nothing left in his bank accounts, then that leaves option 4.
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If it’s paid at all, it’ll be out of simp donation money.
I’ll bet it all on never.
Carroll may not be paid for years if Trump strings out the appeals. But to appeal, he has to either pay the entire award to the court first, or he can use an appeal bond - assuming any financial institution will give him one. His credit rating is questionable with all these trials hanging over his head. $83 million here, maybe $370 million there, unknown amounts in the documents and vote tampering cases. And nobody is actually sure how much he’s worth. The Trump brand is damaged goods.
He’s under a financial microscope at the moment. He can’t reassign any assets until the two civil trials are completed and paid. Whether Carroll sees the entire award depends on the NY fraud outcome and what Trump’s assets are really worth. Maybe his cracker jack attorney will miss the 2 week appeal deadline, allowing Carroll to seize his liquid assets and put liens on Trump’s real estate holdings.
Is it considered paying if it’s forcefully garnished?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.
Trump had already been found liable for defaming Carroll while he was president by mocking her allegation that he’d sexually abused her, so this jury was only tasked with determining how much she should be paid in damages.
Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan asked the jury for at least $24 million in compensatory damages for the harm she suffered and “lots and lots of money” in punitive damages to stop him from continuing to defame her.
Trump’s attorney Alina Habba contended that Carroll “had failed to show she is entitled to any damages at all” because she “actively sought the comments and the attention” she received.
A different jury last year found Trump liable for sexually abusing her in a New York City department store in the 1990s and for defaming her by mocking her claims after he left the White House.
U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan found Trump liable for defamation in the current case based on that jury’s findings.
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The sheer speed at which the jury came to this determination is a really good sign that everyone on the jury was like “fuck this dude in particular”. Not only that, what I think was hilarious was that Trump’s testimony about his valuation in his NY civil trail was submitted and accepted as evidence for the determination on this fine. Like literally some Loony Toons Wile E. Coyote exploding in your face kind of thing.
This was such a massive L for Trump’s legal team that I believe the correct lawyer term is HA HA HA HAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!
I swear, I’m just waiting for what creative backhoing their graves Trump’s team will be doing in the appeals.
What’s that saying? “Speech is free. Lies are expensive.”
I believe the correct lawyer term is HA HA HA HAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!
Lawyer here. Can confirm.
It’s great when lawyers use the old Latin phrase but you can still figure out what it means through context.
I mean, throwing a tantrum and storming out of court is going to be seen as a sign of disrespect by any jury. I bet if there even was a Trump supporter in the jury they’d be turned off by his behaviour.
‘Speech is free, but lies you have to pay for.’ - Louis Tompros, lawyer with WilmerHale and lecturer at Harvard Law School.
“Speech is free. Lies are expensive.”
I’m gonna go ahead and borrow this, and then save it for later.
I, on the other hand, will outright steat it. Thanks, tho.
I open my mouth and out pops something spiteful
Words are so cheap, but they can turn out expensive
Words like conviction can turn into a sentence
Lol get fucked, loser
Stop being so mean!
What is that pic from? It’s the only time I’ve ever seen him look human.
Probably AI generated
Will he actually pay, though? There’s not a shred of honor in this guy, so I’m guessing the “check’s in the mail” until long after all the players are gone.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
So can someone who knows tell me: how likely is it that she collects this?
I wilt have thought zero, but she did get the $5m from the last case.
Didn’t know that, so that’s hopeful. I always just assume there’s ways for people like this to string it out and avoid paying.
No surprise this being the result, it will be very hard to find anyone in NYC that would go easy on the person known for decades as the city’s biggest douchebag.
It’s complete insanity that neither party is using this case against Trump during the primaries. Especially Haley, it’s a gift wrapped opportunity for her to score points on Trump and she completely ignores it. Her campaign was a lost cause from the start but none of the Republican candidates have acted like they are even trying.
I think this is my favorite dig on it
“If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him…”
-Sun Tzu
Erm, Haley is using this for her campaign:
“Donald Trump wants to be the presumptive Republican nominee and we’re talking about $83 million in damages. We’re not talking about fixing the border. We’re not talking about tackling inflation,” Haley said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “America can do better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden.”
Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4432630-haley-trump-defamation-verdict-america-can-do-better/
She’s not wrong that we can do better.
She’s just wrong in assuming she is better.
I mean, I certainly don’t intended to vote for her over Biden, even considering my distaste for Biden, but I would say she is better than Trump from what I’ve seen. She seems more like “regular” republican evil primarily dangerous due to harmful policies, which is still plenty bad to be fair, but I don’t expect we’d be as likely to have her try a coup should she lose an election.
I’d take her over Trump for sure.
But Biden over her, and like, fucking any other Democrat over Biden.
But this is where we’re at, so I guess I’ll fall in line.
Let me get this straight: you think the
grab em by the pussy
crowd is gonna give a flying shit?!?
Maybe not the moonshine-addled MAGA crowd, but there are plenty of faux Republicans (centrists) who may.
They don’t know about it. Legit know someone that doesn’t know all the legal issues trump is currently going through. Lots of “if he committed a crime why hasn’t he been charged?” It was a bit surreal. All the witch hunt talk has saturated the conversation so they don’t even know official proceedings are fully underway. They think because he hasn’t actually paid the damages to E Jean Carrol it means he wasn’t found “guilty” (because they don’t understand the nuance between civil and criminal).
Until the jury unrules it?
How would that work?
Maybe it is like unbirthday in Alice in Wonderland?
So, we getting new Trump NFT cards? I need to complete the set.
This seems amazing. Just shy of starting a religion. I’m down if you’re down.
(In Nelson’s voice) “HA-HA!”
