They aren’t the largest army.
They are the largest infantry.
Big difference.
♫ My bombs go jingle jangle jingle as they fly right merrily along ♫
They are the largest infantry.
I’ve seen infantry. I’ve been infantry. These are NOT infantry.
They’re definitely the largest by BMI.
Sick burn, bro.
American gun owners don’t challenge the government. They take their anger out on women and children and themselves at the very end. The government will be fine.
And? Not all gun owners are joining this joke military. The rest of us will be popcorning the show.
An awful lot would be happy to shoot back, in fact
It’s a waste of ammo and gas to get there.
When the enemy moves into your city, gets a job, rents an apartment. Dropping bombs from an airplane doesn’t work so well.
“I support the former things” is such a stupid fucking slogan. It’s not catchy and sounds like someone tried to rephrase “The good old times” five times in a row. How about:
“Back in the day today!”
“It has been better, it will be better!”
“We chug barrels of cum!”
“Craving for Russian cock uWu”
I swear, the right has zero creativity.
It’s always funny to see those secessionist traitors act like we’re all going to be on their side. A lot of us gun toting Texans have no problem fighting for our nation against the traitors in our state.
How did bombing vietnam work for you?
Also you really think the mikitary is going to bomb citizens who they could know or family member in texas?
Try it, actually try it. Dont talk about bombing us, actually do it and see what happens.
I disagree with the sentiment of the OOP, but this is and always had been a bad argument. Take a look at the Middle East if you want to see what aircraft does to guerilla militia forces. An AC130 can’t patrol streets or breach doors. You need boots on the ground for that, boots that are 100% susceptible to gunfire.
Not to mention the fact that the federal government has lost command of the CBP, who are openly defying Biden’s orders.
The enemy in the middle east is ready to live in a cave and use kids as suicide bombers to further their cause. I don’t think folks accustomed to Costco and buffalo wild wings and healthcare are ready for that life.
I love a little bit of racism mixed with social inaccuracy. You’re right that people wouldn’t want to go without Costco or modern luxuries. That’s why they’d fight even harder when the people in power told them that it was the evil federal government that had taken it from them and that if they just fight a little bit, things will be better than ever before. You’re forgetting how dangerous of a combo that authoritarian govt. + uneducated population (which describes Texas perfectly) is.
Also,
healthcare
What Texans are accustomed to healthcare already lol?
I’m not being racist at all. One of the strengths of the middle east insurgent model is their readiness to live in primitive conditions. And, due to fanatical religious ideals, use tactics line suicide bombing. There’s no evidence prospective texan secessionists are anywhere near ready for such conditions or tactics.
Many Texans have insurance. Many Afghan rural folks do not. Census.Gov states over 90% of Americans had some for of health insurance at least at some point in the last year. (It should be 100, all year, but that’s not my point.) https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-281.html#:~:text=Highlights,91.7 percent or 300.9 million).
The rest of your comment is comically unfounded. Are you really saying yallqueda is more prepared for combat than alqueda?
What’s funny is that the people who are most into this ideology are also the "Screw you, got mine"s that will snitch on coworkers and rat on neighbors to the HOA. But claim the government is always evil.
Later they drive like they own the road and bully other drivers on (sub)urban streets, while poofing coal-black exhaust from their double-wide trucks and oversized SUVs decorated with skeletal middle fingers and American flag punisher skull window stickers. Let’s add truck nuts into this picture too, it’s statistically not-unlikely.
They have some fantasy that a bunch of self-absorbed hyper-individualist misanthropes just like them are going to somehow cohesively band together to fight…the federal government…over… petty stupid things like manufactured culture wars…so that they can achieve a miserable little hate-driven utopia…? Do I got that right?
Meanwhile, neighborly, responsible, quiet, trained, community-minded gun owners will gladly organize amongst themselves to aid inevitable victims of all this nonsense, and would fare a heckuva lot better as a group.
They’re the ones that would make foreign invaders or overstepping republics think twice.
These arterial-grease-ridden LARPers are being used so hard and they think it’s all their idea.
As their disgraced and treasonous Great Leader™ might tweet:
“SAD.”
I own a gun.
Fuck Texas. I won’t be supporting them in anything ever.
Yeah, I’m a gun owner and am pretty “on board” with democracy so I’m not gonna help those hypothetical traitors secede.
Sign me up for the pro gun anti sedition group.
There are only ~30 million people living in Texas, do they think gun owners from other States are going to come support Texas?
nuke texas
Ah yes, mass genocide the state with millions of democratic voters who are being just as victimized as everyone else, if not moreso.
Absolute brain dead take
yes because clearly I was serious
Waaah but you didn’t write /s, how am I supposed to understand sarcasm? (╥﹏╥)
Oh man, you would have loved ShermanPosting.
Yeah that’s the only reason they’re allowed those guns, because any ACTUAL civil war would be decided by air superiority and armor. Honestly let’s do it, it would be hilarious.
Read a few of these comments.
Seems like the folks I usually am amused by and agree with on a lot of things have chosen to ignore that the use of American bombs on Americans sounds fun to them.
Remember: just because someone disagrees with us does not give us the right to blow them up.
Ever.
Except this isn’t a disagreement on something that can be ignored. This isn’t a “let bygones be bygones” situation.
This is Texas killing/trafficking immigrants while actively calling for secession.
This is Texas reminding the rest of the country that they’re still the traitorous cowards they’ve always been
Guy wishes he had been born earlier so he could have stopped Hitler with a strongly worded open letter on his WordPress
I’m inclined to agree with you here.
I obviously can’t be invested, good sir, in any argument here.
Y’all have convinced I am surrounded by heady progressives and some practical liberals who — it’s not the best system, but if we dream of eating the rich one day, we can all get along.
Now comes this discussion of Texas secession and the image of bombing citizens.
Yes — these are despicable times and many Texans are behaving despicably.
But liberal values at their heart are humanist— we must honor these Texans as living humans first — and sadly, allow them the privilege of being wrong.
They are wrong.
And they are our countrymen— forgive the archaic language.
Imagining the bombing of our countrymen over decisions thrust upon them by the RECKLESS actions of others goes against who we are and what we all share in common.
It is my hope that when you see violent propaganda if this kind, you remember that United we stand. And that includes our despicable removed cousins the Texans. [pardon use of R word]
I’m not saying I’m okay with just blowing the whole state off the map but the people in charge need put down and the people who support them need severely reprimanded if not join them in the dirt.
Just because their Texan doesn’t mean I want them hurt or dead, but if their Texan the likelihood that I wouldn’t piss on them if they were in fire goes up a lot
Guess that’s on you.
I’m a human being and I’m going to behave toward my countrymen with respect as regards their health at the very least.
Brand new account at Lemmy? Hmm… Agent Provacatuer— useless here, brother.
Go work your X account
So this dumbass thinks the entire population of American gun owners are coming to their rescue?
Unfortunately they couldn’t get there in time because their mobility scooters ran out of battery.
They’re in need of some mechanical bootstraps I see.
Hah!
Every gun owner I’ve talked to on the internet claims they do this to protect themselves from the US government. Every gun owner I’ve talked with on the internet doesn’t have an answer for when I discuss the massive firepower the US has in comparison to their pew pew sticks.
Gun owner here: that’s a stupid mentality. Putting aside the fact that I rather like the federal government, the best you could hope for in a war against the feds is an indefinite insurgency. You’ll suffer an abismal casualty rate, and you’ll really only be able to “win” if you saturate the government with sympathizers. If that happens, well, “you” won’t be doing the winning, it’ll be the people who got themselves into established positions of power.
It’s a very stupid mentality born out of fear. I had a conversation with someone on reddit once in the comment section for a news article about a child (5 year old) finding a gun in the bushes. Her reply as a gun owner was “I’d rather live in a world where 5 year olds can find guns in bushes than live in a world where they cannot”.
It blows my mind. These folks are going to end up killing their children in a case of mistaken idenity if they’re not careful (and they aren’t careful).
I know someone whose son killed himself with a gun he found in Daddys night stand.
Daddy was a broken man afterwards and had to force himself raising his daughter until she had a job, a fiance and left the house. The next day Daddy shot himself with the same gun as his son.
Such a sad story. Dad wanted to be at the ready for a home invader which never came. Kid was too young to understand and/or a curious small human learning about the world. What’s worse is that stories like this get written off as “anti-gun / anti-2nd amendment propaganda”. The reason the person I was arguing with wanted to live in a world “where a kid can find a gun in the bush” was, as they explained: because any argument or statement that can be construed as for gun control is a threat to our right to bear arms - they would rather live in a world where we have so many guns that they are showing up in bushes where children can find them, than live in the only other option, which is a world in which no guns do not exist in any sense of the word.
It’s wild, really. Protecting yourself makes sense, but a world where guns are accessible to literal children is not a world most folks want to live in. And it’s the world americans live in.
Handle doesn’t check out lol. Your points are very well-reasoned. The saddest part for me is that education goes a LONG way with these things, but the issue is now so heavily politicized it’s hard to make any headway with anyone.
In school districts you’re often up against zero-tolerance hoplophobes and panic parents who are just plain terrified that guns exist (understandably), and would rather just pretend they didn’t instead of educating themselves and their kids. (Irrationally)
Then sometimes you have the ones wanting to teach these classes having some ulterior gun-worship political motive…
But for real:
We teach kids not to play around moving cars or trains or downed power lines, but having “If you find a gun…” safety talks with children doesn’t happen as often as it should, and they’re way smarter than we give them credit for.
I stash mine securely, and if my nephews saw me cleaning one they’d be curious and staring. I’d always kindly tell them like it was:
“This is a dangerous tool. This is a tool to defend from someone attempting to kill you. It can seriously hurt or kill people. This is not to be played with. What do you do if you EVER find something that looks like this?”
“Don’t touch it. Go tell an adult.”
“Good boys.”
They need to know they can trust the grownups in their lives to teach them instead of punish them for curiosity. Then these things stop being taboo and fascinating.
Finally you have owners who, as the tragic story said, just keep it in a nightstand. No lock or anything. Wow. Proper home security and an emergency preparedness plan with your family should buy you more than enough time to safely retrieve a securely stowed weapon to protect yourself from a very determined attacker.
The people who think they’ll just wake up one night and suddenly find themselves having to mag dump into a ninja make me sad.
Lol sorry for the rant.
Kids are way smarter than we give them credit for, absolutely! I’m the kind of guy who would rather not live in a world with guns, or violence for that matter. I’d be willing to ban lots of weapons for this purpose. I’m that guy who gun advocates hate to deal with in that respect. The only reason I’ve carved a small niche for “responsible gun ownership” is because my dad was very open about getting one. He told us he got it, he explained why, he took a firearms class, got a concealed carry permit, would clean maintain it regularly even though I’ve never seen him fire it. He told me stories about how gun owners would be too quick to react when hearing a home intruder and accedently shot a family member who was coming home late. He showed me how to hold the weapon, but that was about it. That small bit went a long way.
Well it kind of already happened. The Confederacy lost but their ideology somewhat retained and now a sizeable chunk of the elected government officials are sympathetic to it.
And Republicans have been demonstrating for decades now that saturating the government with sympathizers works just fine without an armed rebellion.
I always bring up resources management. They probably won’t go full hog in an armed uprising on US soil. Every bridge bombed is a bridge needed to rebuild. A carpet bombing of Texas will hit non-combatant citizens. A preemptive point against this would be the first civil war. Sherman’s march ( the goat ) was different because the largest militaries decided to be neutral during the conflict. A crippling of an armed uprising will also cripple defense against China or Russia if they get froggy. Or if the damages could be justified. Like say a critical bridge was one of the MANY bridges that are on the verge of collapsing. Bomb it now and make Texas pay for it call it Biden’s bridge etc. Or a track of land being used by rebels is prime railroad land/oil/etc.
Here’s your answer.
All the bombs, missiles, planes, and tanks are how the US got a decisive victory in Vietnam.
And Afghanistan.
4 presidents, 20 years, and trillions of dollars, and we successfully replaced the Taliban with…the Taliban.
A perfectly bipartisan effort, too! A true symbol of what we can do if Republicans and Democrats work together
Aww, did you delete your reply? That’s not very big, brave gun owner of you. Thankfully, it still arrived in my inbox.
Washington DC area, 2002. Did two guys with a rifle paralyze a major metropolitan area?
While I’m all for people changing their deeply stupid beliefs, it’s still surreal that for at least a few minutes, you thought that a good argument was “Our guns will be all we need against an actual military because we can use them for domestic terrorism targeting pregnant white women”.
I reconsidered because I thought someone would misrepresent my meaning. Congrats.
If the shooting starts, it won’t be the old scooter patrol on the front lines on the Texas border. It will be a guerilla war and the targets won’t be pregnant women. People who lack critical thinking skills or haven’t studied history think bombs and tanks matter in that sort of war. Hurr durr, no one can stand up to the military. Lol
Leaving the union: All social security, Medicare, Medicaid disappear immediately. Who is fighting the U.S. Navy for the oil wells? All imports stopped. All exports stopped. The companies who drill the oil and lobby the politicians are going to choose to sell to the U.S. instead of a single entity that won’t be able to pay. Now there is no fuel for vehicles… workers aren’t at the power plants, electricity failing more often than already overloaded grid they failed to maintain. It’s 100+ degrees in Texas how often?
People dying, starving, traveling back in time… Do they still think they are better than the immigrants coming over to offer work and pay sales taxes?
Maybe brokering a deal to figure out immigration policies where they are processed cheaper, documented and turned into workers paid for by the the entire U.S. won’t sound so bad then… Maybe they will even think assisting other countries so the people don’t leave will be so bad either.
Agreed, it would be a fucking mess, particularly if some of the states that are supporting Texas join in secession. But if there isn’t a border, there isn’t a country. And 2 million a year is beyond sustainable, and with zero vetting is beyond stupid and beyond dangerous. Who is coming in? MS13, Hamas/ ISIS? Trafficked children? Or is every single one just looking for a better life.
We have immigration laws, and the Biden administration isn’t following them. They are in fact, actively ignoring/breaking them.
Why?
Were the Vietnamese fighters morbidly obese, middle-aged men with no training who wouldn’t even tolerate a paper mask to save their families?
I think the people of Vietnam had a lot less fucks to give than your average Texan. I don’t see Texans building and living in an underground tunnel system that they themselves dug out. I dont even know how those idiots survive without a chick fil a within driving distance. Guerilla warfare involves some terrible living conditions for the guerilla fighters, and Yall Qaeda is not strong enough to live that way.
The other 95% of us gun owners, such as myself, who DON’T broadcast it to the world and make it our entire personality, have guns as a hobby or as tools to use on the farm. And give zero fucks about whatever the hell the feds or Texas is up to…
Wait, so you don’t buy whipped cream and take instagram photos with your pistol?
Nope! The only photos I have of my guns are either records of the serial numbers and attachments for insurance value purposes, or of me and my friends together on range days once in a while.
Not even just a little whipped cream?
Nooe, sorry to disappoint. It’s bad for the mechanisms. Stickyyyy 🤮🤮
Sad uwu
Obviously we do.
We just don’t post it.
That’s for private use.
Every gun owner on the internet seems to be 100% on board with using their guns to install a fascist US government.
A simple scroll on this thread alone seems to indicate against this statement. Plenty of good non-fashy-non-tankies who understand the problems with disarmament of the people.
They’re just also not loud and obnoxious. =\
Look, I wouldn’t mind having a gun personally, I get that they’re fun, but societally speaking, I am very fucking happy basically nobody has them here. Theoretically.
If that works for your locale and you personally, that’s great. No argument. It’s a complicated topic for sure.
From a perspective here, unfortunately here in the U.S, they’re many times necessary for personal protection, especially out in the boonies, because the territory is just so dang BIG you simply can’t rely on a police service to protect you from skullduggery at all times. (And then, yeah, police are a contentious topic too lol…I digress)
My only nudge with your comment was “Every gun owner on the Internet seems…”
The vast majority of us are on the Internet, quiet, responsible, and really hope we’re never forced to sling lead at another human being, and we’re just as embarrassed as you are about the ones you’re talking about.
If anything, those types’ out of control posturing and dangerous toddler antics will end in screwing us all over once they’ve “othered” every single potential ally the responsible folks could have had.
I hope maybe in some way it can help you feel like the world is a little less crazy when people on “the other side of the issue” are all too happy to agree with you on how out of hand it’s all gotten.
I think a huge core of it is that arms companies need to stay in business by putting more product in exponentially more hands every quarter, and they’ll use every astroturfing, lobbying, culture-warping trick in the book to create a never-ending “gun fandom.”
That can’t be good for anybody.
Thanks for putting in the effort for a good reply.
I think the way I see it is this:
https://www.iflscience.com/an-artist-placed-goldfish-in-blenders-and-asked-visitors-to-turn-them-on-they-did-63638Briefly, artist put a live goldfish in a blender as an art exhibition, connects blender to a big red button for any attendee to press. If they want. They did.
The thought being, sooner or later, it doesn’t matter, given time, some bumfuck is going to press it. And they did. Plenty of people did (I think all the goldfish died, there were ten blenders like this, I think the artist even knew that 1 wouldn’t be enough and that 10 might perhaps drive the point home even more).
If you give people the option to select between life and death for someone else, people are going to die, a lot. It doesn’t matter that it was perhaps one in five hundred who pressed the button for whatever reason, the fish still got massacred.
You get what I’m saying?
“What will your response be to an AGM-114 Hellfire missile?”
“Well I’ll shoot it of course.”
As a gun owner, guns are for hunting and defending against these drooling idiot, neo-nazi seditionists who are trying to forment civil war.
Crazy. Almost like it’s just hollow self-aggrandizing so they can pretend they’re a hero.
I’m willing to believe that large enough chunk of gun enthusiastics comes from Texas or Texas-like states.
“Everything’s bigger in texas” including the fear of gubmint
Remember Jade Helm, when the army held a training exercise in Texas and a bunch of yokels thought it was an invasion?
