Spoiler alert: No, it fucking doesn’t.
Let’s say she’s right… do you really want to encourage the Democrats to have a sizable majority in congress, Nikki?
I wonder if Texas could be financially sufficient if they do leave. They are for now, but the defense industry is huge there, and if they really did leave, theres no way the US wouldn’t move that production. This is also the reason they will never leave, the MIC and clandestine orgs that oil it have done worse things for less sever threats to the MIC. Abbot would get Kennedy’d if they so much as though this was a real possibility.
Texas v. White disagrees.
The results of a war fought about that (and other obvious things) disagrees too.
Texas didn’t have to sign the treaty that prevents the other states from seceding, but they still can’t secede. They can break the state up if they want.
If Abbot were a smarter man, he’d have thought of this. How I’d do it is I would split Texas into several smaller States, appoint new sub-governors for each of these new States, and they’d appoint Representatives for the counties in their separate jurisdictions, and somehow get each of these new States to form their own Union separate from the US Union. Call it something like, the Federation of Texan States.
Honest question, why don’t we just let them secede if they want to?
I personally feel like if they actually had a real gripe then maybe it would be worth considering their self determination. Catalan, Northern Ireland, Bangladesh, etc etc etc. These are distinct cultures with actual claims of oppression of their foreign powers. “We eat beef barbecue, drive big trucks, used to be our own nation very very briefly and oh we hate the president” is not going to rise on the international stage as a cause for independence.
Why not? Self-determination is important. Countries split up all the time, the US isn’t special.
If they genuinely want to leave, I’m all for letting them.
Because like I said, no one will recognize them as an independent country.
Bc its not even a plurality of people in texas who want to leave. Only about 4.5 of 22.5 million adults voted for Republicans. 14 million didn’t vote, a majority.
Because the nation gets ~40% of crude oil from Texas and oil companies can’t miss out on that
If this were the norm, every country would be split into a million pieces over every petty squabble. Each update to the tax code would fracture another shrinking state.
Think too of the power you wield when your Trump card is, “Okay, we’ll just leave and you can have a potentially hostile country on your border. By the way, we’re taking all of our natural resources and exports with us.”
The gridlock in politics is bad enough. How little would get done if every small town in Alabama could hold the country hostage by threatening to create their own country?
We fought a war over this already and the secessionists lost. The courts also ruled that they cannot just leave. There is no legal mechanism to do so. They can try to pass an amendment but that won’t happen because the rest of the country wouldn’t agree to it.
If they don’t want to be Americans anymore they’re free to try and immigrate somewhere. That’d be hilariously ironic.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that the distinct communities really should be able to just leave.
Self-determination is everything and the idea that it has to be sacrificed in the name of cooperation is authoritarian manipulative garbage. Cooperation is a choice and requires voluntary participation to work, otherwise you’re doing nothing more than justifying coercion and slavery while claiming to support democracy. Ain’t how it works, champ.
So I say let the Kekistani motherfuckers leave. Let them leave. The U.S. can take its military assets out of their territories and they can build their own armies and forge their own alliances out there in the real world.
Let them leave so we all can be happy again.
It’s a pretty high bar to join, there’s no reason leaving legally would be lower. It’s certainly not something every small town in Alabama would be able to achieve. And if they did then they’d be stuck surrounded by a hard border with no trade agreement. That would last about a week.
So it would be limited to self sustaining regions and would still require consent from the US Congress.
Personally I would be in favor for granting DC the power to revoke Statehood, regardless of the desire of any given State to remain or leave. Sort of like, “These are the rules. Choose not to abide by them, and consider your membership in the Union revoked.” Like, I’m sick of State governments egregiously flouting the authority of the Federal Government, of which they are ostensibly members, and getting away with it. At the very least Congress should have the power to place trade sanctions on States like Texas, since the Commerce Clause gives them the authority to “regulate interstate commerce”.
The Republicans will go the way of the Whigs and Federalists without Texas 40 electoral votes. They’re headed that way already, but losing every national election would accelerate the process.
I strongly doubt that most Texans want to secede. The cities are strongly democratic and not all Republicans are traitors. Hell, most of them wrap themselves in the U.S. flag at the slightest encouragement.
The Republicans will go the way of the Whigs and Federalists without Texas 40 electoral votes.
The Whigs jettisoned their conservative wing and converted to a hard-in-the-paint Abolitionist / Free-Land Party under Lincoln, then went on to dominate US politics for a good 20 years.
I strongly doubt that most Texans want to secede.
Texans want to be in charge. You get this noise about secession every time a Democrat is in the Presidency. Then a Republican wins and they’ve all got their flags out screaming about how America is the Freest, Bestest, Strongest Country and if you don’t agree we’ll kick your ass.
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Brexit was a fucking crackpot scheme without broad support. Then Russian money started flowing into changing all that, just like it is doing right now in the US, and has been for a pretty damn long time now.
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I think the statistics show that “in favor of secession” is in the lower single digit percent, so from that point of view I agree.
Then again, that was the case for Brexit as well. Let’s say pro-secession lies around 4%. Do you find that in all media space combined, talk about secession makes up for more or less than 4% of the media output?
I’d say it’s a major topic overall right now, yet, it’s based on the screaming of a fringe group. Those screams can get amplified easily, if one were so inclined. It’s exactly what happened in Britain, and it’s what happened in Germany. And now it’s happening again with you.
Media controls the message. Who controls the media.
They are not the majority, but they are vastly overrepresented in state government.
Also the state police and in the heads of major industries.
If we had a Texit referendum—which we never will
The vote would be shamelessly rigged, with counties that polled against the decision getting voting machines that didn’t work and lots of “election fraud” prevention that inhibited any kind of serious tally. But that would only happen if the governor and his ahem confederates seriously wanted to secede and didn’t just want to ignore federal laws they found inconvenient in the moment.
Abbott has no interest in being the rump head of a rump state. He wants to command with the full might of the national government behind him. These power plays simply serve to consolidate power under his locale, so that when he does assume higher office he can call on his Texas thug patrols as loyalists in crack downs aimed at dissidents in Houston, Dallas, and Austin.
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It remains to be seen whether anyone but Trump can really bring all the morons to the yard.
Bush managed it in 2000. Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, and Dan Crenshaw have certainly demonstrated a following willing to wave guns at a rally in support of their candidate.
I have a hard time envisioning any of the current GOP bench—including Abbott—succeeding on a national stage, post-Trump.
Trump is sucking up all the oxygen in the room. The political winds are to support Trump first and foremost, then cultivate their factions from there.
They’re all such pathetic toadies.
They’re well organized. They’re well financed. They’re militant. And they’ve got the police on their side. Toadies, absolutely. But they’re far from pathetic.
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Bush did not win the popular vote in 2000
Trump didn’t win in '16, either. Nevertheless, they both became President.
Nonetheless, Republicans are facing increasing demographic challenges
Demographics only matters when the populations are fully enfranchised. And the consistent focus of conservative municipal and state governments has been to disenfranchise as many members of the political opposition as possible. Turns out, you can win a lot of elections if you reduce your local voting population to a meager half of the eligible overall population.
Oklahoma, Arkansas, West Virginia, ,Tennessee, Mississippi, and Texas have done a masterful job of caging and corralling their voters such that you really only need 33% of the overall electorate to win in what amounts to a landslide.
Trump was never a Republican
He was always a right-wing crank with an open wallet. What liberals don’t like to realize is how much pull that gets you in both parties. Never even fucking mind all the Epstein / Mafia / Russia shit. The guy was a media darling because he knew whose palms to grease, whether that was Rudy Guiliani or Chuck Schumer. And the fact that he’d had the stink of fascism on him since the mid-80s did nothing to keep politicians from lining up.
That doesn’t make him unique, though. If anything, Trump is a consequence of the burgeoning fascist movement within the Republican Party that lacked an outlet among mealy mouthed centrists like McCain/Graham and empty suits like Romney/Christi. Now that he’s blazed a trail, we’re seeing plenty of politicians follow in his footsteps. Greg Abbot is only the most obvious. Governors and Senators all over the country are getting in on the act.
Hell, NY’s Mayor Adams has been happy enough to play up immigrant hysteria and take swipes at Joe Biden for being soft on crime.
I’d stipulate that regardless of popular support, they remain morally and intellectually pathetic.
Say it to their faces. I certainly didn’t feel safe at the last political rally I passed through. Not when the cops seemed as eager for a pound of flesh as any of the flag waving chuds.
And this is why Haley will lose. She continues to cater to a MAGA base that isn’t large enough to carry the general election. She continues to tell the MAGA base what it wants to hear, even when it’s unrealistic, nonsensical, or just plain wrong. And in doing it, she erodes the moderate and independent voters she’d need to actually win.
Not that she had much of a chance anyway. The entire field has been running scared this entire election cycle, refusing to even mildly criticize the man that they are supposed to be running against. They’ve all been basically auditioning for cabinet positions.
I agree with this☝️
She’s not even catering to the MAGA base that well either.
She knows.
She’s trying to be their mommy when orange man isn’t available anymore and hopefully she was lukewarm enough that she’ll win next time or something
She continues to tell the MAGA base what it wants to hear
It isn’t even that much. Hailey’s response to the GOP shit fit at the border is “Yeah, sure, leave I guess”. Trump’s is “I love all my beautiful border guards and we need to stop the evil lying Biden from importing all the drugs and the crime.”
Her pandering sucks. Its this tacit legalism that barely passes as sincere. Her heart clearly isn’t in it.
Not that she had much of a chance anyway.
I mean, this illustrates why. She’s running a defensive campaign designed not to offend her base, while Trump’s out there throwing red meat and doubling down.
The struggle Hailey has is that she can’t out-GOP Trump without looking deranged. Yes, you can go even further than Trump on this or that issue (like Ron DeSantis tried to do) but you just come off as a lunatic. Trump gets to play at being this usurped monarch rallying an army to retake his throne, while Hailey is just some lickspittle courtier trying to appease the angry mobs.
Sure it does. Self determination and all that. Has every right to revolt like the original 13 colonies did. But, that doesn’t make it a good idea for Texas or its people.
Has every right to revolt like the original 13 colonies did.
But they… didn’t. That’s why they had to revolt. If they’d had the right, they wouldn’t have needed to do the war.
I think they were referring to a natural right not necessarily a legal right.
Like everyone has a natural right to jump off a cliff if they want, but you’re not going to find a statute that says: For those who are jumping off a cliff, please use good manners and stay to the right.
Texas has the natural right to secede, not a legal one.
I think they were referring to a natural right not necessarily a legal right.
If Washington had been ambushed at Valley Forge and the Continental Congress rounded up and executed, what would those natural rights have been worth? I don’t know if you can realistically call something a right when your ability to exercise it is predicated on your membership in a victorious military campaign.
Like everyone has a natural right to jump off a cliff if they want
I think you might be confusing natural rights with natural laws. Like, if someone puts up a fence around the edge of a cliff, what does this do to your natural rights? If someone throws you in a psych ward for attempted suicide, what then?
Texas has the natural right to secede
Again, I don’t think this is evident. If the Texas state legislature/governor proposed plans to incorporate as an independent nation, how would the populace respond inside the state? Would people meekly just go along for the ride, would they flee the state en mass, would they revolt, would they join the Texas National Guard in anticipation of fending off a response from the US military?
How many people would have to die before the question was settled? This feels far from “natural” by any definition of the term. It strikes me as entirely bound up in the decisions and actions of large bodies of individuals at odds with one another.
Yup! And just like jumping off the cliff it wouldn’t be a good idea
That! That should disqualify her. But America is too dumb to realize it.
Can we stop electing people with no civics knowledge whatsoever?
Apparently no. We can’t.
It is worse. She fully knows that is not true.
Are you accusing Nimrata of misleading people?
I just want to say, I’m super not on board for mocking her by using her birth name.
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It’s not much different than purposely calling a trans man or woman by their former name.
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Using her birth name as a form of mockery kind of acts to devalue similar cultural names. I don’t want Indian Americans to feel as though they are lesser than for living in America and keeping a culturally significant name.
There’s plenty of legitimate things to criticize her for, including the hypocricy of her xenophobic policies, but they should be followed with context explaining her parent’s immigration and her subsequent name change.
That’s a valid take. I will say I think using her birth name does more to highlight the fact that nobody named Nimrata could secure the republican nomination. And also that it’s a little sad that someone would try to hide their heritage to win the votes of people who clearly don’t like who they are.
I’m Rafael Cruz, and I approve this message
See, that one doesn’t really seem to have the same impact. When I hear the name rafael, I think famous artist, or shelled low-level crime-fighter. Sounds great, doesn’t it?
I’m Piyush Jindal, and I also approve this message.
I am a dead clown picked up off the side of the road and reanimated Frankenstein style and adopted by Fred and Mary Trump and I approve this message.
- It’s not much different than purposely calling a trans man or woman by their former name.
- Using her birth name as a form of mockery kind of acts to devalue similar cultural names. I don’t want Indian Americans to feel as though they are lesser than for living in America and keeping a culturally significant name.
That’s rather explicitly the point, I think. It’s very much a “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” thing of turning her and Ted Cruz’s own bigotry against them in an attempt to highlight their hypocrisy. How effective that is, and whether or not sinking to their level in such a way should be done at all even if it was, is arguable of course.
It’s welding their own weapon against them and I am all for it.
I’ll happily toss your ass out of the building for purposefully deadnaming a trans person, but these specific people deserve to be mocked and reminded constantly that this is what they’re doing.
I don’t recall anyone getting this bent out of shape over 2008 and the constant “Barrack Hussein Obama” and you could always hear that tone and force behind Hussein, it was always on purpose, it was always used as an attempt to say “he’s FOREIGN! SCARY BROWN NAME!” and people like my parents ate that shit up. “listen to his middle name obviously he was born in Kenya” and for some people I knew, it was always Niger or Nigeria, for some reason
So nah I’ll continue mock them with the rest of my lgbtq friends until one of them brings up these points.
I will say this at least. I could not find instance of nimrata resorting to the Barack Hussein Obama retorts herself. So I will give her some credit on that front. However, she gladly stayed a part of the party that loved it. Therefore, it’s still kind of fair game. It shouldn’t be a problem that people go by their birth name. I think it’s a bigger problem that people feel they need to change it to fit in.
The zodiac killer on the other hand can go f*** himself
I see the argument you’re making, and it’s a good one. At the same time I can’t help but feel that if her policy positions don’t dissuade people from voting for her, but her birth name does, then I’m going to take the win and suggest that we keep rolling with the thing that works.
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No, I’m accusing her of lying. Saying things you know aren’t true is lying.
Even if they can’t, can we just do a trade for Puerto Rico.
You should probably ask the people of Puerto Rico if they even want to be a state, first.
We have, and last time I heard the official count they don’t want to change status in either direction, but unofficially support was growing for statehood. That was before Agent Ornj, so I doubt even the unofficial support would have grown…
I mean, for it to be an equal trade, Texas has to remain at least a US territory. So Puerto Rico gets Statehood, and Texas keeps most of the downsides of Federal control while losing most of the benefits.
I see this as an absolute win.
DO IT! We triple dog dare you!
Haley’s stated view that states can legally secede goes against the established precedent set after the American Civil War, which was fought over the issue of states seceding from the Union.
To be fair, Haley also has no idea, allegedly, why the Civil War was fought.
eConOmIC SyStEms.
In a sense, it was about an economic system: slavery. Economic freedom for me, not for thee.
Listen here, no one is going fucking anywhere. Now sit the fuck down.
I wish they just would, but beside that I’m laughing at how desperate Haley is for votes.
It may have the right, but does it have the guts?
It doesn’t have either
