President Biden vowed on Monday to veto a House Republican bill that would provide $17.6 billion in aid to Israel, calling it a “cynical political maneuver” intended to hurt the chances of passage for broader legislation that would provide money for Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan and the U.S. border.
House Republicans fiercely oppose the larger bill, which was unveiled by a small, bipartisan group of senators over the weekend. It calls for $118.3 billion in spending and would overhaul some of the nation’s immigration laws to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border.
He said he would an that dickhead speaker still hasnt sheduled a vote on ukranian aid
that dickhead speaker
“Dickhead” is such a vast understatement it almost feels more like downplaying.
“That traitorous, christofascist, Russian shill speaker” better conveys the depths of the motherfucker’s depravity.
Love how Taiwan is thrown in there for no fucking reason 🙄
If I absolutely have to pick a side on this dumpsterfire of a conflict then I’d choose Israel but I still don’t quite understand what they need military aid for when they’re already the bigger and more powerful military of the two. Is this so that they can blow up individual terrorists with a million dollar smart bombs so that they don’t need to put their own men at risk? This just seems stupid but then again I’m no military expert either so who cares what I think.
Try these then, the first video is short. Finkelstein is an expert on this issue, and his family was exterminated in the holocaust, except for his parents
Why would you choose Israel? They have already killed more civilians than Hamas has militants and has given no sign of slowing down, they have dropped over 20000 bombs, they aren’t trying to kill individual terrorists. Even people in Israel are turning against the IDF and Netenyahu.
Because I agree with why they’re attacking HAMAS, just not on how they’re doing it.
Why do you think Israel was attacked to begin with? Do you agree with Israel’s reason for attacking but not Palestine’s? I would say the same but in regards to the attack on Israel.
Even if I grant that they had a legitimate reason to attack Israel, that still doesn’t change the fact that it was a terrorist attack directed mostly at the civilian population. That makes you a perfectly legitimate target for retaliation in my eyes.
And before you say Israel is attacking the civilian population too and in greater numbers; I know, that’s why I said I don’t agree with how they’re doing it.
Yeah well
Terrorism > genocide and concentration camps
Both sides can be bad at the same time. Just because you think Israel is worse it still doesn’t make HAMAS saints. This is binary thinking and world doesn’t work that way. Things are not black and white.
Wish there was a rule barring packaging unrelated legislation
I don’t. We got the biggest and most important climate bill ever, likely in the entire world, by getting to ostensibly package it as an anti-inflation bill.
Politics is a game of negotiation and compromise. The same impulse as “nothing should ever be logrolled” is saying we should be entirely uncompromising on everything always.
If Ukraine and Israel aid were not bundlable, guess what? We’d get Israel and not Ukraine aid. The more deserving recipient wouldn’t get the aid.
We got the biggest and most important climate bill ever
Nah that bill got ruined by “negotiation and compromise” and opened up millions new acres of land leasing for oil and gas extraction. We’re gonna continue breaking emissions records every year
We’d get Israel and not Ukraine aid.
Because we’ve elected zionists and russian agents. And because of that this bill is likely to not pass, and each side can point at a different part of the bill to justify opposing it.
The negative far outweighs benefits .
It should be, but hasn’t since the early two thousands
A foreign aid package wouldn’t violate it
the biggest and most important climate bill ever, likely in the entire world
Lolwut
Biden: “I’m Zionist”
Yep, genocide doesn’t come cheap.
Ah, so he wants to make sure that everyone gets funding, not just Israel.
How about NO MONEY TO THE MOTHER FUCKING GENOCIDE?
Yeah, what we need is the opposite bill: the one that helps Ukraine but not Israel.
He is not a dictator, you know? The other side argues for only genocide.
Yes, the lack of civic knowledge is sometimes frightening. I’m not one to say “both sides!”, but in this case, I see it on both the left and right: people who don’t seem to understand that most major bills in the US pass through compromise. This is true even when one party has a majority, because the US has some of the weakest party discipline of any system (eg people can vote against their party).
Your need to invoke Trump proves your brainwashing.
I did not even think of Trump. He is not in government.
Bullshit.
You were the first one to bring him up.
The mental gymnastics.
They clearly dropped the “the only good thing about Biden is that he isnt Trump, which is why you must vote for him” logic.
You dipshits are just getting categorically rejected on that logic so you are getting more vague about it so you can keep trolling.
You are acccusing them of invoking a thing that only you invoked and when you’re called out on it, you accuse everyone else of “mental gymnastics”?
How about we switch that around…
Sounds like a win all around if he does. Israel does not need the help.
He still wants to find Israel, just as a part of a larger bill.
Both parties want Israel to continue. Just that the republicans want Putin to win the war in Ukraine.
I think Israel is somewhere in the middle east, but don’t tell Biden that.
findy, fendy, fundy
-Julius Caesar
This doofus already did 2 emergency arms sales to Israel, he just wants his other foreign funding on top of funding Israel.
Nothing special here besides republicans doing republican things.
The president hears the people no longer agree with our stance on Israel
The president changes his policies to reflect the will of the people
This is how it’s supposed to work!
What are you quoting from?
Nothing, it’s an alternate usage like greentext from 4chan to show a summarized sequence of events that I’m responding to.
Thats not what is happening though is it?
The republicans want to kill funding for Ukraine, humantiarian aid and better protection of jewish and muslim places of worship against US domestic terrorism.
So they propose a “fund Israel only” bill, that Biden has to veto on and they can cry out against. He still wants the IDF to receive that money though, so they can continue destroying what is left of Gaza and kill and drive out even more people.
It’s hilarious that you think that’s actually what he wants.
Then what do you think he wants?
You realize there are no “good guys” in that war, right? There’s a grey area and a shit ton of nuance to it all. Not to mention a shit ton of history. Only a child sees this as a “which side should I chose be on” situation, and then goes to the intern to beat people over the head with their choice.
For the record, when I was much younger, I was an idealist also. And like the kids today, I also had no idea what I was taking about.
You’re refusing to answer the question:
What does Biden specifically want re: Gaza?
I’m not qualified to know- which is why I don’t make assumptions. I cannot begin to understand politics at that level and what happens behind closed doors. And neither do you. I at least know that he doesn’t want genocide.
But don’t let this stop you from creating a narrative.
So your point is that no one should criticize the United State despite the truth being ambiguous. Makes sense.
Maybe you should familiarize yourself with why the International Court Justice ruled that Israel was plausibly committing a genocide. Perhaps that would clear some things up for you
Nowhere did i say that there is a “good guy”.
Israel can only continue to subjugate the Palestinians in Gaza to these inhumane conditions, if they receive continued support from the US. All public calls for moderation have been ignored or renounced, yet the US continues to increase its military aid to Israel. Israel is not only facing a case of genocide, where the highest court of the world deemed it “plausible” that Israel is committing genocide and also demanded specific actions and omissions to prevent genocide by Israel. High ranking Israeli officials, including the President, the Prime Minister, the minister of Defence and high ranking army officials have been explicitly called out by the ICJ for a rhetoric that is indicative of genocidal intent.
If a child is told by its parents not to set things on fire, but at the same time is given another lighter and gasoline, it is clear that the parents do want the child to continue. Even more so as many other parents have told the child to stop and the parents defended their child against those people.
The US has all the means to stop Israel. Instead they are enabling Israel even further. If you want nuance, don’t just look at the words. Look at the actions taken.
I’m sick of hearing people say “there are no good guys” in this war, what does that even mean to you?
It means neither side is innocent. It’s pretty self-evident.
But it’s not just Hamas being slaughtered, all of Palestine is targeted by the IDF. There are other groups besides Hamas fighting. And there is one side who is stealing land and killing record numbers of children and aid workers, and has been for decades.
It’s unfortunate that I have run into people that don’t believe that. I once got called a flipflopper because I commented one stance based on inaccurate information I had, and was given new accurate information which changed my mind.
People be treating reality like a high school debate club and just sticking with a position because that’s what they choose at the beginning. You can change your mind. Especially if it’s based on new information you didn’t have before.
Highschool debate club has failed if that’s what people compare actual debate to. It’s necessary to take a firm stand in a discussion, even being devil’s advocate is fine, as long as it happens objectively.
But I guess HS debates just end after three rounds and then no retrospective happens about what stance (not WHO) was right and why.
TL;DR HS debates were supposed to be better than this.
To be fair: My high school fuckin’ sucked.
But also: judged competitions don’t usually see one side agree with the other after hearing their side… That seems like a sure fire way to lose the competition.
Yeah during the debate you defend your position, but the retrospective after is lost. The thing that would connect the whole simulation to reality.
Right? I knew that Gaza was bad before this conflict but I didn’t have any real information. I then went and educated myself and I have a pretty firm opinion on the subject now which is different than it used to be.
That’s a very good thing for an old man to do.
Imagine if we redirected that 17.6 billion to programs that would benefit actual breathing people in the US in actual need?
This is so stupid. NYTimes putting the phrase “to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border”…there IS no surge of migrants. They’re pushing bullshit in a passive way to make it sound legitimate.
Yeah, migrants just love to surge come election time.
What a bullshit.
All lies. I don’t believe US government numbers any more than I did during COVID. /S
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
According to these statistics, the same thing happens every year. If you look at the previous years they all start to go up in January then peak around May and start to decline after that. So what’s the big deal if this happens every year? It’s to be expected.
Looking at the graph, it’s well over 3x what it was in 2021…seems pretty obvious to me why this might be concerning.
No shit it was lower during COVID
During Covid the government enacted title 42 and didn’t allow any migrants entry to mitigate the spread of covid. Since covid is over they rescinded title 42, now all the asylum seekers waiting at the boarder are crossing as they would have just been turned away before. This was a predictable outcome and next year the numbers will drop back down.
What do you make of people coming from continents besides South America? Do we owe it to Russian or Chinese citizens to offer them asylum? From my perspective asylum is something you offer your direct neighbors who are fleeing threats on their lives. Offering asylum to literally any citizen of the world seems a bit extreme. If someone in China fears for their life, certainly there are closer and more accessible countries they can flee to.
An interesting point and I would be curious to see if it would pan out.
The conservatives have been trotting out the “southern border crisis” red herring for so long that The Democrats were the first party to do it in the US. They keep doing it because it works. Those of us that live next to the border, like I do, can tell everyone back east that there’s no problem, but if one racist asshole starts yelling, there’s a whole bunch of racist assholes that live 2000 miles away that get scared and riled up.
what conservatives are upset about is often legal migrants and sometimes tourists. Its more transparent when cons talk about black people as “black culture”. They say its the “illegals” they’re worried about, but I doubt any rich republican employs less than 6 “Illegals” because I haven’t met a rich person that paid a fair wage. Its always been unserious.
The real problem is your deranged government officials bussing them all over the god damn US. Not that we can control your idiots but our idiots need to respond in kind. That is recieving them. Providing humane care and shelter. Then funding legal representation to sue the shit out of the people who sent them there.
Using human lives as a political hot potato is fucking despicable.
I live in California. Our government is receiving busses from everywhere.
I agree that Greg Abbot should be arrested on human trafficking charges.
Sucks that it is happening. The second we put those people on a bus America has an obligation to them as the people who have purposefully done them harm. They aren’t just migrants anymore they are victims.
Yeah and California already has a border with Mexico, so it’s not like “sharing the burden” is a legitimate argument. Texas just wants to stick its thumb in California’s eye.
Yes, using human lives as a political hot potato is despicable. However, the policy it implies (sharing the burden of caring for immigrants) is actually quite reasonable, and already policy in places like Germany.
Im betting German policy is a bit more involved than buying them a bus ticket and forcibly making sure they don’t miss that bus.
Remember the massive “caravan” of migrants Fox breathlessly talked about as it made its way to the border?
They’ll do the exact same thing again soon.
I’ll never forget for months them screeching about it, and literally a day after the mid-term elections were over, the “caravans” were literally never mentioned again; until the next election year that is…
They are probably still mad Trump cut aid to the three Mexican countries…
Let’s see what the source says:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
There were 50k more border encounters in December than the year before. In fact, encounters have been significantly higher than past years since August (no data for January).
You can aree or disagree with the response to the influx of people at the border. But there is no denying there has been a considerable increase in traffic.
Except we’ve heard this (the surge point) every year for the past several election seasons and at other times. Someone didn’t learn the lesson of the boy who cried wolf. Tough to get people to listen when it’s actually happening if you bullshit them at other times.
Ignoring the facts given to you because someone else lied about this in the past doesn’t really make any sense.
If you think this is BS, then bring numbers and facts. This surge, at the moment, is real. Check OP’s link.
It’s real. It’s happening. FFS, put politics aside, this is a humanitarian issue. And how are we to absorb so many extra immigrants this year?
Conservatives are bitching about jobs. Liberals are bitching about housing costs. Both concerns are wildly complex, but we have an issue right now, today.
Check my earlier comments and numbers. How do you propose to deal with an extra CHICAGO+ worth of humans? How fast can we build infrastructure and housing? I will point out, we’re only talking about illegal Southern border crossings, leaving out the rest of the immigration story. FFS, my wife is an immigrant. We’re trying to get her son over here.
I don’t have ideas, no ideas we can deploy fast enough, I ain’t that smart. But just because conservatives are pitching a fit doesn’t mean our current border crossings are not an issue.
We’re talking about live human beings here. Waving them off as a GOP conspiracy is ignorant at best, hurting people. Want to go to the border and tell those people they’re not real? Tell them they’re GOP pawns? Or, someone will come along and tell me they don’t believe government numbers they don’t agree with. Like the nuts did with COVID and the CDC?
It’s real. It’s happening. FFS, put politics aside, this is a humanitarian issue. And how are we to absorb so many extra immigrants this year?
Easy, just don’t look. Then I don’t have to believe it exists.
It’s like the old sanctuary cities. Politicians pontificating that “all are welcome,” and “no human is illegal,” until their city actually gets too many of them. Then it’s, “whoa there, they should stay in Texas, not come here!”
I hear you. But you missed my point. Because at other times people lied about surges, it makes it harder to believe them when they occur. That’s all I said. I have no alternate story or numbers for our current predicament.
I don’t disagree one bit. The Border™ gets trotted out more than it ought to every couple years. That’s probably why this issue will never be fixed–it’s great at riling people up.
However, I think people should still be aware of the facts of the situation. At least if they actually care about the problem. Misinformation doesn’t fix anything.
I agree. And I appreciate you sharing that information.
I also need to point out that you are sharing a .gov link and treating it like the bible.
I find .gov citations to be some of the least reliable sources of information on the internet.
America is OBSESSED with propaganda.
This right here confuses me. The people claiming that government numbers can’t be trusted are the same people who regularly rolled out government covid death numbers are the gospel truth during covid. My personal belief is that those numbers were wildly overblown, so I’m willing to believe that in this case you might be right and the migrant numbers are also overblown. That being said you can’t have it both ways. We’re the covid death numbers false?
Brother, you caught a real one.
I am very confused.
I try to live my life mathematically. I cite sources that claim firm numbers frequently.
We are in a fucky time.
Everyone has the ability to capture unimpeachable figures, but everyone with a grasp on the raw data has a dude an inch over their shoulder saying “100 bucks if you fudge it.”
We got strong in tech and the first thing we did as a digital world was fire the QA people and the auditors.
Seems like a great way to faceplant the gift of computers.
But what can you do?
Could absolutely be more enforcement, and not more traffic.
I think the increase is corroborated by other measures, such as the size of tent cities in Tijuana etc.
Still, even if calling it a “migrant surge” is factually accurate, that doesn’t stop it from being propagandistic loaded language that any legitimate media outlet should avoid.
Did they add more enforcers, or did the existing ones get better at catching them?
Veto it.
