• mctoasterson@reddthat.com
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    8 months ago

    Listened to the entire speech. He sounded like a disoriented muppet and he spent most of it defending himself… poorly. He sounded tilted and petty trying to answer questions from the reporters. He defended accusations of memory issues by sounding even more incompetent and citing the wrong country when talking about the middle east negotiations.

    And the NY Times biggest takeaway was one line about the Israeli response in Gaza. This is why people shouldn’t trust journalists. You’re better off just finding primary sources and drawing your own conclusions.

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        Yep, they’re already struggling as it is. If they had to fight house to house with just rifles they’d stand no chance.

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        Could just demand the immediate resignation of Bibi and his government as a prerequisite for a continued alliance, but that would require a spine.

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            Yes. Alliances are mutual pacts, and can be broken by either party when the other becomes objectionable or unprofitable. Or just because.

            I personally consider “being a genocidal fascist abusing the alliance to cement his rule” a deal breaker that can only be resolved with the removal of the offending party from power.

            You don’t?

            • So your approach to weilding America’s strength and good will, in the name of human rights, is to abandon allies over 35,000 deaths, most of which are civilians? Okay that’s one approach. Not sure how our other allies will feel about it, whether they might stop working with if we try to dictate how they decide to prosecute a war on their border.

              What are you going to say to any emerging powers that are considering whether they want to be part of the western world or if they want to hitch their wagons to Chinese or Russian power? How will you live with yourself when you realize your emotions over 35,000 deaths caused you to end the very alliance that stops tens of millions from dying in an Iranian war and the cascade of failed states that would follow?

              “Being a genocidal fascist”? Who specifically are you even talking about? Israel is a democracy. They don’t have just one person in charge. Are you talking about Netanyahu? You’re going to blow up an alliance and risk tens of millions of lives because you don’t like one politician, whose entire party seems likely to be defeated at the ballot box? How about giving it one election before we try severe sanctions and whatever else you are suggesting America should do to overthrow a leader and party that was democratically elected because it won’t do what we want?

              Seems incredibly ignorant and short sighted, something a kid might suggest.

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                Yes, we absolutely should “abandon” genocidal fascists - who demand billions of dollars in military aid to make everyone in the Middle East our enemies.

                That’s called “Not being evil people that deserve bullets to the face.”

                But, hey, it’s a free country, it’s your right to be on the side of fascism while patting yourself on the back for the mental maturity of defending the status quo at all costs.

                One might even note there’s a whole political party for your kind!

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    8 months ago

    “over the top” is a bit tame in my opinion. i would frankly go as far as to say what they’re doing is “not cool”, maybe even “uncalled for”

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    I think it was the great philosopher Eric Cartman who said it best

    “You people who are for the war, you need the protesters. Because they make the country look like it’s made of sane, caring individuals. And you people who are anti-war, you need these flag-wavers, because, if our whole country was made up of nothing but soft pussy protesters, we’d get taken down in a second. That’s why the founding fathers decided we should have both. It’s called “having your cake and eating it too.”

    Don’t get me wrong, I am definitely a soft pussy protestor, but Biden is clearly having his cake and eating it too.

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    8 months ago

    Biden is SO CRITICAL of Israel that he’s ready to send them BILLIONS more dollars without Congressional Approval! THAT will teach Israel to STOP!

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      Yeha, he’s just making sure he wins the next elections. He knows this is one of the reasons why people won’t vote for him. The fact he is keeping it this tame just shows he really doesn’t want to affect his relations with Israel. So, after he wins, everything will stay the same way.

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        I’m guessing you’re his biographer? Maybe his therapist? Are you him?

        Gotta be kidding me of the three to know so much about what his intentions are.

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          Not really. The war in Gaza is unpopular among the population, but there is pressure for him to send aid to Israel. There are not many ways to slime that one out and have a chance to win the upcoming election. Speak loudly what the masses want to hear, do what he needs to appease the more powerful people who can screw him over.

          He’s a politician after all, his priority is to maintain power at home, not to stop the war in Gaza.

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            He’s an American president: Gaza is not, not should be- his priority. America is not the world police. And the sooner people realize this/ the better we’ll all be from it.

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              Exactly, so he should quit sending kajillions of dollars to help them kill children and covering their ass in the UN security council every time they start slaughtering Palestinians again.

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                So… since there a clear sign of bias and manufactured outrage in your words- I’m going to end this discussion here.

                You have no idea what you’re talking about, and I don’t waste my time debating with kids who pick their flavor-of-the-week social issue from internet threads.

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                  Bro, just shut the fuck up please. You’re not providing any argument or evidence. There’s evidence of Biden sending billions of dollars to Israel for the Hamas war.

                  Just shut your mouth.

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      Technically he sold them weapons previously, not given them billions, although in the voted down bipartisan border bill the concession of billions given are for Israel AND Palestine humanitarian aid.

      He’s still a piece of shit, but nuance matters imo.

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            What planet are you on that you’ve never heard of the Canadian extermination of indigenous peoples?

            • I have heard of it. Have I heard anyone call it genocide though? I don’t think I have. Other than, now this is the second person, whom I consider to be edgelords on the internet until proven otherwise.

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                You’re willfully being ignorant, then. “Canadian indigenous genocide” is the third result down on the autocomplete list on google after typing in “Canadian Indig”, and if you click that result you get a ton of sources including a bunch of news articles talking about the genocide using the word genocide, the website for the Canadian human rights museum which calls it a genocide, and even a scientific paper on the trauma effects caused by it.

                It was a genocide.

                • Canada’s policies aimed at assimilating Indigenous people included outlawing languages, cultural practices and political traditions and forcibly removing children from families. These were deliberate attempts to erase a distinct group of people by destroying the essential foundations of their way of life.

                  I read enough studying law and before that criminal justice with a history minor to know that this quote is completely true and not really that strong of a case by an international law standard. I get their argument though and have a lot of sympathy for the indigenous people throughout North America and the arctic.

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    *finger wagging strengthens, stern look intensifies*

    *wink* *nod* [keeps sending Israel bombs to use against civilians in Gaza]

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    This sounds like the setup to an Onion article: “Biden calls Israel’s response to Gaza, ‘over the top.’ Says that bombing of refugee camps, ‘a bit much,’ and the famine cause by aid blockades, ‘really cringe.’ At press time, President Biden was signing a bipartisan deal to send the Israeli military $20 billion in weapons.”