Hey Corey, deine Monumente sind bedeutungslos.
It’s funny how everyone in this thread has the opinion that they are on the winning or losing side as if anyone alive was actually involved in the war. How anyone can still take these things personally is weird. What I mean is calling a southerner a “loser” is weird from the person giving the insult and the person receiving it (if they actually feel offended, which they shouldn’t).
I always found it weird when people would make hero’s of Allied soldiers in WW2, even though, if you met them in person, you would find their beliefs horrifying.
The Holocaust was probably worse.
Ok… thanks for chiming in! Next time try to stay on topic! Not everything is about you, no matter how badly you want it to be.
I’m pretty sure he’s saying that, like slavery, the holocaust is worse than criticising monuments to confederates.
This original poster was talking about the US.
I read that as them adding the Holocaust to the pile of worse things
Also waking up on a Thursday thinking it’s Friday is worse than the whole southern monuments thing
No… no it isn’t.
Nah, it totally is. That one makes me sad. Monuments to traitors and pieces of scum getting torn down makes me happy.
The sad part here is that you’re probably wrong.
As horrible as the Holocaust was, from a numbers standpoint alone, the transatlantic slave trade accounted for more people stolen from their homes.
Now, that’s the entirety of the transatlantic slave trade. A couple of hundred years of pain and torment. But it also only counts the number of people stolen from home and sold into slavery, not the number of children born into slavery who lived their entire, and often short, lives working backbreaking labor. Well, that’s what the men did. The women were raped until they were no longer physically capable of giving birth again.
Contrast the Holocaust, at most you have 10 years of horror, from the passage of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935 until the end of the war in 1945. It was traumatizing for the survivors, but the strong could move on with their lives.
Slaves who were freed at the end of the civil war were often basically re-enslaved via that fun little loophole in the 13th amendment. Corrupt judges in the south had a full racket going. They would assign court fees to and black man arrested by their corrupt police, and then sell said black man to a plantation owner as part of covering the debt.
If you thought the horrors of slavery were bad, the convict leasing and debt peonage schemes were so much worse. Literally working people to death because the plantation owners could simply pick up a new slave at the courthouse for a small fee. A smaller fee in places where the plantation owner was the judge.
Fun fact. The whole debt peonage thing did garner the attention of federal prosecutors, who thought it was fucked up. See, Debt peonage was actually outlawed by Congress in 1867. So one enterprising prosecutor actually took a bunch of assholes to court.
Those assholes argued that since the debt was fictitious, it wasn’t peonage, but was actually slavery. And since congress had never actually passed a law against slavery, they wanted their slaves back. This was in 1903.
The worst part is, the courts agreed.
Various fake debt schemes and other overt slavery shit was still going on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beeville\_couple\_arraigned\_on\_charge\_of\_holding\_Negro\_in\_slavery\_on\_farm\_(1942)\_The\_Brownsville\_Herald.jpg. You’ll note that 1942 is after the US joined WW2. That’s the entire reason for the final crackdown on chattel slavery schemes in the US…
Well, I say that. Sadly, there’s more to the story.
Huh… interesting.
You may have convinced me.
Thank you for the enlightening post, I’ve never heard of some of this at all, unfortunately.
Can I ask for a source onto he 1903 court case you mentioned? I’d love to read more.
The 1903 Tallaposa Peonage cases.
I’m not sure which case they’re referring to, but the concept they were talking about wasn’t outlawed until 1911 in Baily v Alabama.
The holocaust was probably worse than a yankee telling a southerner his monuments don’t matter.
Yes, but to really understand this issue, imagine that those monuments were honoring famous Nazis.
And some asshole was saying that the monuments were his heritage.
oh I never disagreed with that
Look up " The Daughters of the Confederacy". The monuments aren’t even historic.
Well the are historic in that they’re a part of the history of oppressing black people that continued after the Civil War. But doesn’t seem like history someone in the South should want to celebrate.
Hey Corey, your monuments don’t matter.
nothing is worse
was worse
i see absolutely no Problem here, move on lads.
(/s for the slow ones)
I wish I could filter rage bait like this off my dash
I wish I saved that meme I saw responding to “confederate statues are my heritage” with “destroying the confederacy is MY heritage”
EDIT:
Is yankee offensive? I am british and have called americans “yanks” for the past 10 years at least… Should i stop or is it ok?
Nah. It can be used derisively but isn’t in and of itself offensive. You’re ok. Good on you for asking though.
Confederate-wannabes can try to use it as an insult but that doesn’t really work. I take it as a point of pride poverty over them.
I think you are okay, guvna.
Not offensive, but others may feel differently.
I prefer to be called yankee doodle /s
This sounds dandy.
It’s only offensive to people from the southern US, but they’re offended by a lot of things so who cares?
Meh, in Tennessee a local bar has the Confederate battle flag on the wall and I have heard in there several times that all Yankees should be shot, referring to anyone from the north. The issue is that people have moved around so much there are from the north in the south and vise versa. New York and California are the most hated states by many southerners.
So you would find it offensive?
If you say it referring to Americans as a British person, non offensive. If you are from somewhere where you use it as a derogatory term… I would say it is intended to segregate the populace and that will offend people.
It is used in Latin America as well, both as a serious denonym/gentilic. Though it can be used derisively, I’m assuming it’s the same over there.
You should keep doing it. It’s funny.
In Australia the term is ‘Seppo’. Seppo / septic tank / yank.
Imagine you go back to the 1860s and you see a cohort of this capacity start something. No wonder they got their arses kicked.
Sure is weird how these people are obsessed with being traitors and also think they’re patriotic.
“thE PArtY oF LIncoLn” waves the flag of his enemies
- these fucking idiots.
It’s hilarious to me that redneck conservatives love to wave the flags of the Confederacy and the Nazis - the recipients of the two biggest beatdowns in US military history. Losers in every sense of the word.
Which Southern monuments?
The loser ones dedicated to the slavery loving losers who fought and LOST against the u.s.
Your moments don’t matter you fucking losers.
- a northerner
Couldn’t agree more
~a Texan
Hey, us white people have suffered, too - like, they took away our slaves!
The Daughters of the Confederacy can eat shit.
Oh, hell. I’ll link to it again. Fuck the South.
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