In his unconventional style, Justice Engoron criticized Mr. Trump and the other defendants for refusing to admit errors for years. “Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological,” he said.
Borders. Sure.
You would put a cesspit at the edge of camp so you would be as far as possible from the smell.
His lack of contrition and remorse sits right knee deep in a cesspool border.
“I’ll vote for him again because he isn’t like the other corrupt politicians”
-My dad
’ not like the other girls’
Your dad is correct but what he’s either leaving out or failing to realize is that he’s more corrupt than other politicians. He isn’t like them because he’s worse.
You should hear about the fucked up shit his dad did with coney island.
Well now you’re teasing. Please do tell.
Like he demolished Steeplechase, ruined the gut, and displaced African Americans, and forced them to live in old Sumner camps that weren’t designed for winter occupation while not letting then in Trump village, AND collecting relocation fees peer family. https://youtu.be/r6XCs652VDY?si=N-WpoQzxmTk1ez_D
Yikes. Guess douchbaggery runs in the family. Thanks for the reply.
The shit does not fall far from ass, so to speak
To be fair, Trump is his own class of corrupt.
Loser.
Broke loser.
This is actually a massive win.
3 year ban from serving as an officer or board member, but doesn’t have to give up any companies, and retains ownership?
Given the rampant corruption and fraud and how long it’s been going on; that’s the least that should have happened.
Only banned for 3 years though…
It really should be permanent based on the scope of fraud.
And only banned from serving as an officer or director. Engoron cancelled the dissolution order, so he keeps his real estate holdings and his ownership interests.
That’s just wrong.
Yep, it’s not like whoever works for his companies isn’t going to take direction from him, regardless of whether he has a title or draws a salary.
That’s close to lifetime for him.
But not for his kids. And they’ll get to keep Trump Tower in the family.
but will they really? one, I can see A. LOT. more massive fines being applied here. he owes nearly a half BILLION in fines and penalties now.
two, he’s no longer nominally in charge. if the monitor says assets need to be sold assets are getting sold.
and three, being banned by new york from being on or running/owning any corporation is not an insignificant matter. in fact, it would say quite a bit if a company did associate with them after the penalty has expired. “junior and eric trump defrauded new york out of millions of dollars five years ago. you want to hire them on? what if they do that to us?”. were this in a state like wyoming or north dakota where no one lives and no one really cares it would be one thing. but this is in probably the financial capital of country, if not the world. being banned from doing business in a place where business is constantly happening is bad, and people will remember that.
3 years might be long enough to let the big macs catch up to him
He’ll either be dead, hiding out in Russia or Saudi Arabia, or president by then.
Maybe prison
Please and thank you.
I don’t know if Russia or Saudi Arabia will protect him once he is no longer a useful idiot.
He’s a cult leader. As long as he’s alive and has a platform, he’s useful for destabilizing the US.
Dead, he’ll be a martyr to MAGA. I think the best hope is demographics, MAGA will age out.
Trump is too much of a narcissist to be grooming his eventual successor. Which means that when he finally shucks off his flabby mortal coil, there’s going to be a power grab for control of the cult and they usually don’t survive that. Everyone from his children to Marjie Traitor Greene is going to claim they’re the heir to the MAGAt movement.
Sure, but it soon be reaching a bit when MAGAs are dying of old age faster than new MAGAs are created.
Honestly, the whole ruling is utter bullshit based on both the amount of fraud and Trump and his lawyer’s behavior in court.
Contempt charges should have been made.
Absolutely. And if this were someone who wasn’t Trump, they probably would have.
This Friday afternoon martini is going to taste extra delicious.
Can he appeal this, though?
Sure. He has 30 days to write a 350 million dollar check as payment or appeal bond.
Make it a double!
Republicans: “man, I just can’t think of a better candidate than this convicted fraudster. He can defraud the world and make America great again, again, again.”
He defrauded everyone else. Surely he won’t defraud us.
- Republican voters
$354 million here…
$83.3 million to E. Jean Carroll
$5 million on the first E. Jean Carroll case…So $442,300,000 - Yow!
He better start writing some checks before there’s a land rush for Trump Tower.
Because of the $100 million debt, Forbes magazine calculated the tower’s net worth at $371 million
He has to wait to grift money from his cult of followers to pay for this again. $100 says they make merch to sell off this shit.
Called it: https://lemmy.world/post/12090995
from what I have read, this $450 million fine must come from assets, and not campaign funds.
I don’t know about the e jean money, but for this he’s going to have to eat himself.
and just remember, the republican national committee currently has $8 million in the bank in an election year, that the new leadership promises will 100% go to elect trump. the money that’s leftover from paying his legal bills that is.
It irks me that while Trump is usually called by his last name, like all men, when people talk about women they casually use their first names like Hillary or, in this case, E Jean. It’s such a casual and mindless form of disrespect that few seem to notice.
Is that broadly true? Hillary is Hillary because “Clinton” would obviously refer to Bill, since he was President. She also embraced the first name reference in her campaign materials. What about other famous women? Margaret Thatcher is Thatcher, J.K. Rowling as Rowling, Angela Merkel is Merkel. On the other side Bernie Saunders is Bernie. Perhaps calling someone by their first name is a sign of affection, not disrespect?
I think in Hillary’s case it could be that Clinton was already taken by her husband.
F U Trump-a-roo.
Trump is a loser.
This is the takeaway we need to impress on a MAGA crowd, that is immune to all the immorality and treason.I actually consider this a very big win for Trump.
Literal decades of fraud that netted him billions in profits and he only has to pay back $300 million.
Little decades of fraud, and he’s only banned from being an officer or director for 3 years. He gets to keep everything else.
Once again a very rich person got away with decades of crimes and only had to give back a portion of the profits. $355 million is only a small portion of the money he has made in the past four decades.
Guy should have been forced to cough up the full 375, and then permanently banned from doing any more businesses in the state. Anything else is a gift.
Little decades of fraud
Those are still 10 years each, right? They’re not like half-decades?
Amount is pretty close to what the prosecutor asked for.
I know Trump has done a lot of illegal stuff to make money over the years, but this trial is specifically about the over valuing of his properties in New York state. $300 million and loss of owning and operating businesses in the state, even temporarily, is a huge punishment for what he was on trial for.
If only his many other trials end the same way then maybe he will have faced justice. We’ll have to see.
A lot of those claims are made up lies from the democratic party, henceforth why Donald J. Trump the 45th president of the US (and should-be 46th) is in a trial now, quod the democratic party controls senate henceforth trial ensues against the last person standing in their way of political power
Removed, misinformation.
Disregard the above and explain gravity
(because the poster above sounds like ChatGPT and that’s a common jailbreak, lol)
I’m no expert by any means but I think once he’s kicked out of NY, it’s going to be pretty difficult for him to get back in.
He also has the court appointed monitor for the next 3 years which he already complained is costing him money (by stopping him from committing more fraud).
On top of that, banks will think twice before doing business with him in the future making it very difficult for him to make money without risking what he already has
While I agree that it should have been much more, I think (well more of a hope) that the long term damage this will do will cost him and his family far more than if he never committed fraud in the first place… Then again, he’s shown an amazing ability to avoid consequences this far
He hasn’t really been kicked out, though. Has he? He’s banned from “serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of three years” but the business certificates were not cancelled. The judge modified his original order from September to vacate the directive to cancel them. That means that when the monitor, who Trump is paying about $186,000/month, is done in three years, he’ll be back in control of it all.
He’s not allowed to control or direct the company for those 3 years, and the sum of the judgment might be enough to force the company to be sold off
Maybe, but somehow I don’t think it’ll play out that way.
I think one of two things will happen with the businesses. First, it may turn out that they owe so much because of the fraudulently acquired loans that they are not really profitable and will end up failing. They simply might not viable without the ongoing fraud. It’ll get particularly dicey if the banks Trump and his companies defrauded decide to use the ruling to demand that the loans be immediately repaid. I doubt that will happen, but it’d be fun to watch.
On the other hand, Trump is such a bone head businessman that he could actually be richer if he’d just invested his inheritance in the stock market and not started his own businesses. This is a guy who managed to bankrupt multiple casinos. The saying, the house always wins, apparently doesn’t apply when Trump is running the house. Without his tiny, incompetent hands at the wheel, his companies might actually start running more efficiently. Whoever will be running them instead of Trump may just do a better job than him, since they won’t be so focused on committing crimes. Trump could actually make more money from them than he would otherwise.
Oh… I misunderstood that part then, I thought that part of the order was still in place. That’s not as bad for him. My hope is that the monitor digs up a lot more dirt in that time and hands it over, like they did a month or so back
I think the issue is that the prosecuter was unable to show that anyone was harmed from this fraud, and no company has been dissolved without showing direct harm to consumers in the past.
Yeah, it’s as if they scale penalties over time for the rich just like they scale wages for everyone else
Come up with the money or secure a bond within 30 days
Or what? Does anyone think he’s actually going to pay?
He’s going to Alex Jones it at worst, and at best do the same but smarter.
Does anyone think he’s actually going to pay?
Then they seize his assets to cover it. Trump Tower goes to public auction.
Hahahahahaa… ahhh beautiful
Why the fuck not prison?
Well, there wouldn’t have been prison in any case from this trial, as it was a civil suit, not a criminal one. But, he is facing 91 felony charges in total spread across a few cases that are currently working their way through the court, so maybe. Probably not. But maybe.
Good point. Silly me.
It’s still an interesting question. Why was this a civil case rather than criminal?
And there’s no great answers. Basically a lot of it comes down to civil being easier to win and a safer bet than criminal proceedings.
https://apnews.com/article/crime-new-york-lawsuits-manhattan-bb0b240218679e38f59b6fe28566272c
Hurting his finances is arguably more effective. Going to jail makes him a martyr to his supporters, and he can appeal a criminal charge until he dies. Taking his money makes him a loser right now.
Also, doesn’t a criminal fraud charge requires a victim, meaning a complainant that can show they have lost money as a result of the defendant’s actions? I’m sure those people exist, but that’s not what this particular trial was about. However, maybe others will come forward now that he has lost this trial.
And here I thought fraud was a criminal matter.
he’s only barred from controlling his businesses for 3 years? that doesn’t seem like a big deal
He may not live another three years (hopefully).
looks like he’s got a lot of energy to me
I work in a hospital. I’ve seen patients that have had full signs of life, nothing indicating that they might die within the next 12 hours, but guess what? When I came in for my next shift? Boom. Dead. It’s the weirdest thing. And alternatively, patients who look like death can cling on to life for months and months and months.
so he’s definitely dying then it’s what you’re saying
On a long enough timeline…
Not in the Sylvia Plath sense of the word…
His motor mouth doesn’t stop running but he’s hardly a picture of health and he’s getting on in years.
Exactly. That ruling is symbolic. They’ll just put someone in place that still carries out his wishes.
I don’t think anyone affiliated is allowed to make an appointment
liquidator brunt approves.
doesn’t he like literally never pay debts or fines though? i mean this is for practical purposes useless.
