Somehow I’m reminded of Dead Poets’ Society even though the specifics are quite different. But it seems like something (the overall culture?) is pushing a whole lot of confusion on children that wasn’t there 20 years ago.
But also, teenagers can be real shits sometimes. I had my part of that, and the weirdest thing I was was being a bit nerdy and socially inept.
Yeah… sounds like Oklahoma.
Still waiting for the day people take this seriously. Maybe just a couple more decades to go :/
Should have been a Destiny fan, then this wouldn’t have happened. /s
Conservative thinking killed this beautiful child. Every conservative is to blame.
Does this logic apply to crimes committed by immigrants?
“Immigrant thinking killed this beautiful child. Every immigrant is to blame.”
Hmmmm, I’m not sure what immigrant ideology is, or where all the oppressive legislation that immigrants passed is, but I’m sure you can find a way to scapegoat people you hate.
You know the drill, just keep asking more and more absurd questions with confidence, and when someone says you are driving people to a hateful conclusion with loaded questions, you can just say “what, I can’t ask questions anymore? What happened to free speech?”
If you make more stuff up, you can’t paint me as Hitler
Immigrants don’t as a group do everything in their political power to fuck people over…
Republicans and Conservatives do.
I think we should try to answer this rather than just down voting. I think the difference is that conservative thinking led to the policy that led to the person being targeted, and possibly also to a climate of intolerance that made the attacker/s feel like they had the support of the community to do that. We’re not really talking about who is too blame for this individual instance (obviously that’s the person/s who manslaughtered this child). We’re talking bigger picture.
When an immigrant commits a crime, I suppose you would argue that liberal thinking created the situation where that could happen, but I think it’s a false equivalence. Big picture immigrants don’t disproportionately commit crime, and there are major benefits that come with immigration. While trans people absolutely are disproportionately the victims of violence, and there are no real benefits to transphobic policies.
I guess I haven’t done great at this, please other people build on this reply, it just felt wrong to see a fair enough question just being downvoted with no reply.
Just a troll, downvote and move on
???
the people who make the laws simply do not care about dead trans people. to them that is one step closer to the world they want.
Delusional fuckers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Of course not. Empowering women, poc and the LGBTQ+ community would actively hurt them being in power. So better to make laws to keep those groups at the bottom.
Since head trauma was ruled out, I wonder what happened 💉
How many 'n’s in mayonnaise?
I wonder what happened to you… 🤡
Conservatism is a plague of oppression, violence and death. It always has been. There is no place in a modern society for conservatism.
When you see your conservative neighbors, co-workers and relatives, remember they killed this innocent child. They did this.
I’m not going to aggressively confront my simple conservative acquaintances as if they themselves did this, but I do think it’s a moral obligation to root out and identify why our acquaintances support a regressive, fearful, and hateful brand of politics. Like any sale made, it has to be the customer’s choice, or at least the illusion of choice. You’ll never convert anyone to a more Leftist brand of looking at the world if your ideology seems aggressive or unhinged. We’re trying to make conservatism look less ideal than leftism.
So true. There must be no forgiveness, no tolerance, no acceptance. Conservatives must be purged from this planet. This is the ONLY way forward, if we want a society that is good for everybody.
That is not at all what they are saying.
So? That’s what I am saying. What are they saying in your opinion? To silently seethe at the conservatives while not doing anything?
You are mocking a call to violence in which there is none. They’re saying conservatism (the belief, the ideology) needs to die.
Conservatives should be openly mocked and ridiculed for their cruelty and violence. They should be laughed out of office.
You are being entirely idealistic. You are saying things that sound nice to you without considering how realistic they are.
You cannot attack an ideology without attacking the people who make up that ideology. They cannot be cleanly distinguished from each other.
At some level you even realize this.
Conservatives should be openly mocked and ridiculed for their cruelty and violence. They should be laughed out of office.
This means attacking the people. You are talking about making conservatives social pariahs, having them lose their livelihoods and power.
So yes, destroy conservatism, but if you don’t have the stomach to do everything that simple statement entails, get out of my way.
You cannot attack an ideology without attacking the people who make up that ideology. They cannot be cleanly distinguished from each other.
Quit your bullshit. Dunking on shitty beliefs does not equate to killing or hurting people like you were suggesting.
This means attacking the people.
Good job moving the goal posts. First it was purging. Now it’s being made out to be social pariahs. Pick one, and quit equating scorn with violence.
No one hasn’t mentioned violence except you. The word “attack” can mean many things.
“Owasso police issued a subsequent statement on 21 February to say that an autopsy indicated that Nex had not died as a result of trauma.” STFU
Ah yes. The totally normal spontaneous death of a 16 year old completely unrelated to the physical trauma suffered just before. You conservative apologists are always so fast to jump to conspiracy, why not now?
There’s a bit of media darwinism here. 15000-20000 teenagers die in USA every year. If the conditions hadn’t been what they were, this would not have broken the media barrier.
But of course, sometimes the obvious answer is the correct one. It could also be self-harm, it would track with not showing enough physical trauma from the altercation to cause death, but would still be indirectly caused by it. The publicized messages between Nex and their grandparents suggested that they (Nex) took the altercation quite casually, but perhaps that was just a front.
Mostly I wanted to tell you drama queen fucks to stfu bout blaming half a nation.
Not even close to half lmao
Enjoy the next Trump presidency.
literally hoping for a rapist insurrectionist to be president
Reactionaries be wildin
Do you understand anything people say to you or do you just twist the meaning and play dumb to score points in your own head?
Reminds me of a bit from a web serial called Pale:
“I was in my rights to weaken him.”
“You shot the man in the head, you said,” Musser replied.
“It left him very weak, yes. He died shortly after.”
When you see your conservative neighbors, co-workers and relatives, remember they killed this innocent child. They did this.
Obviously they did not.
A few weeks ago, on 7 February, the bullying allegedly erupted in violence when Nex suffered severe head injuries during a “physical altercation” at Owasso High School, according to the Owasso Police Department.
Sue Benedict told The Independent she was called to the school that day to find Nex badly beaten with bruises over their face and eyes, and with scratches on the back of their head.
Nex told her that they and another transgender student at Owasso High School had been in a fight with three older girls in a girls bathroom. Nex was knocked to the ground during the fight and hit their head on the floor, according to their mother.
Ms Benedict said she was furious that the school had failed to call an ambulance or the police. She said the school then informed her Nex was being suspended for two weeks.
She took Nex to the Bailey Medical Center in Owasso for treatment. They spoke to a police school resource officer at the medical facility and were discharged.
That night, Nex went to bed with a sore head and eventually fell asleep while listening to music, Ms Benedict said.
On the afternoon of 8 February, Nex was getting ready to go to Tulsa with Ms Benedict for an appointment when they collapsed in the family living room.
Ms Benedict called an ambulance, and Owasso Fire Department medics arrived to find Nex had stopped breathing. Nex was taken to the St. Francis Pediatric Emergency Room where they were later declared dead.
This child’s blood is on their hands. Not just the kids who did the physical beating, but also the conservatives who set up a culture where this is acceptable.
Try to join the rest of us in reality when you can.
This child’s blood is on their hands. Not just the kids who did the physical beating, but also the conservatives who set up a culture where this is acceptable.
Try to join the rest of us in reality when you can.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Should children have the privilege of asserting their sexual identity in public? I guess so. Does it sometimes have consequences? Bad as it is, yes. You may very well argue that something is wrong that when it has consequences, but that argument doesn’t yet remove the consequences.
So I think it is not me who’s not in sync with reality here.
So your stance is essentially: “queerphobic culture exists therefore queer people should hide to be safe”?
Rather than question the legitimacy or merits of transphobia and fascism, you are placing the burden on the marginalized members to hide and just accept the unjust status quo. Just because something is the status quo does not make it right and it doesn’t make it immutable.
No one is arguing about the existence of consequences. The consequences of hate are painfully clear to everyone. We are saying instead that there ought not to be deadly consequences for being different. It’s unjust.
By your logic, African Americans should have just stayed in the back of the bus and in separate facilities. After all, they got sprayed with firehouses and killed for seeking equal treatment. Consequences amiright? Similarly, American colonists should have just bent the knee because England sent literal armies when they dared to declare independence. Oh well, they should have been aware of the consequences.
Transphobia and fascism isn’t natural law. It can and should be fought. “Aw man that’s just the way it is” is apologetic and defeatist at best.
Transphobia and fascism isn’t natural law. It can and should be fought. “Aw man that’s just the way it is” is apologetic and defeatist at best.
Sure. But fighting is not a safe, one-sided activity. Sometimes you punch a fascist and sometimes the fascist punches back.
While it’s all brave and great, I still feel not absolutely great about the idea of having children fight these battles.
Then we agree that children shouldn’t have to fight these battles. Unfortunately, the “adults” in Oklahoma and many other states are either failing them or actively participating in their persecution.
I assume you’re a grown-ass person like me. It is my job and your job to make this a safer world for people like Nex. Until then, they are indeed fending for themselves. I vote for the least-bad candidates, contact my representatives frequently, and give to charities who help queer people; admittedly I need to do more. The relevant question isn’t what Nex should have done; they died for being. The question is what can you do such that people like Nex don’t have to fight hate groups alone?
I voted for Biden and this still happened. Voting literally didn’t help.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Instead of someone being beaten to death because of their gender identity, they would beat someone to death because they are gay, or suspected of being gay.
History rhymes.Trans people are a part of the LGBTQ+, so this is nothing new. It’s just a continuation or a long history of violence against the LGBTQ+
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Not only is that not true, people have been coming out since humans existed, it’s also wrong. You’re confusing sexual identity with gender identity.
Regardless, all you are doing is victim blaming. Nobody should get beaten to death for how they express themselves. This is supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of the beatings for people society deems weird.
You may very well argue that something is wrong that when it has consequences, but that argument doesn’t yet remove the consequences.
The consequences for self expression should not be death, much less vigilante beatings that result in death. And your appathy is frankly disgusting, and a part of the problem.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Ah, yes, I remember 20 years ago, where no one asserted their sexual identity, neither cis heterosexual men nor cis heterosexual women did hold hands nor did kiss their partners nor did host large feasts to celebrate their marriages, where neither the groom nor the bride wore specific clothes socially assigned to their gender. No one did this and you could certainly never see it, anywhere.
Listen, I’m a cis straight guy, I just want everyone to enjoy the same freedoms and respect, and some assholes are really keen on not letting some specific people have them.
Yes we should encourage a culture where those who freely express themselves are not celebrated. Everyone should keep their heads down and do what society wants. No one is special. /s
You must be real fun to talk to. What if instead of expressing gender identity, it was expressing Christianity or political alignments that resulted in this?
I’m not American and I’m not LGBTQI+. I’m just a person who believes in basic human rights and wants people to care for each other. But apparently I’m out of sync with reality
You must be real fun to talk to.
Oh, I should let you know that people frequently enjoy a fake laugh to stop me talking.
What if instead of expressing gender identity, it was expressing Christianity or political alignments that resulted in this?
Why would you think these would be different?
Ancient Roman Conservatives (Optimates, cause of course) “Look when you lift their skirts, you find a Populare (Democrat). We need to bring back traditional values!”
Since the days of yore, always about traditional fucking values.
And like now they aren’t. It’s a factionalized past constructed by the traditionalists.
Pro-life, until they arent what expected, then fuck those people. The conservative religious are very hateful.
Hey now, they don’t care about em after they’re born! Especially it they are poor or not Christian & white enough.
This makes me sick to my stomach. This poor person just wanted to be themselves. Fuck our society, time to start over
This was always the plan!
@return2ozma Conservatives see this and applaud. This makes them happy. It puts a smile on their faces, but then they’ll turn around and argue online that it’s not about blind hate. They all know, deep down, that they’re evil pieces of shit. They DO KNOW and perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to half convince themselves otherwise.
Every time they see the evil they’re doing in the world this hypocritical dichotomy churns in their brains, and I hope on their deathbed they’re consumed by it.
Yeah seriously. I thought they were pro life…?
Not pro-life, but anti-choice.
You’ll notice this trend continues beyond the topic of women’s health.
History will remember them the way we remember the racists who upheld Jim Crow in the American south.
Assuming that there will be history of course.
While it might be true that conservatist culture is a big reason why this person is now dead, I don’t think the majority of any group is celebrating on this. And it’s dehumanizing to paint any group like that.
The majority might not celebrate this murder directly, but support for the Republican party in the US is implicit support for dehumanization of trans people which inspires these murders. The policies and rhetoric used by the mainstream right-wing are responsible for this death.
The only people responsible for this death are the people who bashed this person’s head on the floor.
If we want to list the people who contributed to this death happening, the list is longer and contains elements you would probably not like to hear.
It’s the truth.
How’s protecting those kids by putting them in danger going?
Oh - a kid you wanted to kill us dead - all part of the plan.
These lawmakers are knowingly lying for personal gain, and to kill those they don’t like - including kids. They’re fucking demons, and their supporters are either as bad, or mentally deficient.
These lawmakers are knowingly lying for personal gain
And this includes their so-called reverence for the “sanctity of life”.
The key is to add an additional implied phrase to the end. Kind of like fortune cookies.
In this case, radical right speech has an implied “, for the right people.” After all they are not trying to govern equally, but instead prefer a rigidly defined caste system.
reverence for the sanctity of life, for the right people.
The key is to add an additional implied phrase to the end.
Of course we couldn’t rely on them to do it because that would be saying the quiet part out loud.
This has always been the intent.
This is so fucking sad
But for the creator of The Libs of Tiktok, it’s a day to celebrate 🥂
I think this is a direct effect of Trump’s behavior. It is ok now to openly celebrate the death of a teen. Also ok to openly follow someone who does this. There are so many people going confidently “yeah, i grab 'em by the pussy, so what?”, it’s really sickening.
No, it is not.
Trump’s behavior and by extension theirs is the result of liberals not taking this shit seriously
Yes, also.
They didn’t take it seriously, generally took too long to respond and when they responded, there were already 10 new things ( that were worse ) that had to be addressed.
Her name is Chaya Raichik and I’d prefer to call her by her name than her shitty internet bsname
And people know where she lives. They should do something about it
1: This whole system is ripe for honeypots 2: Do it yourself, pussy.
I’m not in her area, and all the doormat pussies say “do it yourself”.
Oh, assassinated a fascist in your neighborhood, have you?
Feel free to brag about it here.
Sorry bro, not as clever as you think you are
How weird is it that without knowing what that account was I couldn’t tell if it’s far right or far left.
But yeah, it’s far right.
