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Hillary Clinton is warning about the legality of birth control in the wake of a decision by the Alabama Supreme Court that found frozen embryos created through fertility treatments are children under state law.
“They came for abortion first. Now it’s [in vitro fertilization], and next it’ll be birth control,” the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee and secretary of State said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
“The extreme right won’t stop trying to exert government control over our most sacred personal decisions until we codify reproductive freedom as a human right,” Clinton added.
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The extreme right won’t stop trying to exert government control over our most sacred personal decisions
It’s not the extreme right, this is mainstream for conservatives. The extreme right is the one calling for eg. the extermination of gender / sexual minorities or non-whites (and the extremists aren’t nearly as rare as people generally like to think)
I’d like to see a statistic on that bcz I don’t think that’s accurate.
Are you seriously asking for a statistic for whether being anti-abortion is a mainstream conservative view?
Yes I am. Conservatism is a spectrum, believe it or not, just like liberalism. You’re making broad strokes assumptions, that may or may not be backed up by any science. And guess what, I know conservatives that are ‘pro abortion’ and others who are more extreme and are very anti abortion.
And believe it or not, the guy in the white house right now isn’t a liberal, just bcz he puts a D next to his name.
believe it or not
This is your tell.
Just like when Trump says “believe me”.
Just take a look at what people voted for and against repealing Roe vs. Wade. You can hopefully connect the dots from there.
Nobody is pro abortion. People are for having the freedom to make choices pertaining to their own bodies and it not be dictated by someone else. Pro abortion would just mean aborting every child and therefore the end of humanity. That is why they call it pro-choice. Those against it should honestly be called anti choice because they believe governments should control your births. Please keep the government out of my bedroom. If it pertains to a sexual act that involves consensual adults, it is no business of the government. That goes from flirting to birthing.
Well no shit. You’re preaching to the choir buddy. It’s just the word I chose to use in my comment.
I am pro abortion but that’s mostly because I am actually a child hating psychopath who really just wants to watch humanity drive itself to extinction, for the schadenfreude, more than anything. I assume I’m not the only one.
I know conservatives that are ‘pro abortion’
And they’re always uninformed. I consider myself progressive and I find a ton of common ground with hardcore republican voters because most “progressive” beliefs are reasonable. Things like more social programs, higher taxes for corporations, and even abortion rights. They consistently vote against their best interests because of momentum or fox News propaganda.
Probably they weren’t serious, but why not take the moment to educate others and possibly even, OP. Sometimes facts can change minds.
Edit: That’s why I posted a direct response. You just never know who needed to hear that.
Among Republicans and independents who lean toward the Republican Party who say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, a large majority (78%) identify as conservative
It’s not the extreme right, this is mainstream for conservatives.
You’re both right and wrong: the Republican mainstream has become extreme. Fascism, anarcho-capitalism and bizarre combinations of the two contradictory ideologies are extreme no matter how common they become.
The extreme right is the one calling for eg. the extermination of gender / sexual minorities
That’s already a pretty mainstream view/goal in the GOP. Most of them are just using coded language rather than outright saying it yet.
It’s not the extreme right, this is mainstream for conservatives.
Nonsense. Mainstream conservatism is the Democratic Party and they’ve taken a firm position of “We’ll say whatever we think makes the current audience we’re facing happy then hope this whole thing blows over”.
Blessed be the fruit
May the Lord open
What is next after they ban birth control? Forcing women to get pregnancy tests every month in order to detect miscarriage or abortion later on?
Probably prison (or the death penalty ) for women who miscarry, I remember reading some states Alabama tried passing legislation so when a women has a miscarriage the authorities investigate her for murder.
At least she wasn’t completely useless for this and actually said the word abortion. I haven’t heard much from democrats suggesting or pushing any policy or solutions to this crisis. They seem to just leave the field open to let the republicans dominate the discussion.
They treat it the same as Republicans did, a talking point to rally around. That is, until the Republicans actually did something and stacked the Supreme Court. They could have codified roe when Obama was president, but I don’t think they even tried or considered the possibility that roe would be overturned.
Now that roe has been killed, women have shifted significantly blue. Why the hell would they actually fix the issue when they can campaign on it for the next decade at least?
They could have codified roe when Obama was president
Or when Clinton was President in '92 or when Biden was President in '21. Multiple opportunities, but they all meant staking a position as a party and not being 300 little local independent influencers, trying to soak up as much campaign cash as they can before the next wave year tosses them out.
You need 50 Dem senators willing to overturn the filibuster or 60 in favor of abortion. Unfortunately, we’ve never had those numbers.
It’s much more of a problem that we can’t find even 10 Republican senators who are willing to enshrine abortion in some fashion.
You need 50 Dem senators willing to overturn the filibuster
Which they have had on repeated occasions.
When?
1993, 2007, 2021…
Hell, Bill Frist offered to blow up the Filibuster with the Nuclear Option back in 2003. A minority of Dems could have simply let him, rather than caving on Judicial nominees.
There were not 50 willing to kill the filibuster in 2021. Manchin and Sinema were against it.
Don’t really need her to say it when the Supreme Court justices said it themselves.
Hey, isn’t this the lady that campaigned with Henry Kissinger, traitor and war criminal?
Yeah. Correct message, awful messenger that most people think should have faded out of politics when she was the main non-Russian reason for Trump being inflicted on the nation.
She is 100% correct.
But she is not helping. She can’t help. She is not liked. At all.
She could help by disappearing from public view and donating some of her ill-gotten gains to key races. But no, she prefers to keep flapping her jaw in public.
Just keep a poster of her in your room, instant celibacy.
Same problem with Al Gore warning against climate change. He was right, but because of who he was he was instantly dismissed but all conservatives and even some liberals.
Sometimes, it’s better to have enough self awareness to let someone else speak for you.
That bitch got cucked by Monica Lewinsky
Condoms used to only be legal for married couples.
Get ready. As long as conservatives have any power at all, they will use it to oppress the normal people. They always have.
Yep. Call them what they truly are: creeps, weirdos, perverts and freaks.
It is not normal to want to police others to the extent these freaks want to be able to do. Something is deeply wrong with them. It’s on us to point this out at every turn. They are so creepy.
No kidding. IIRC, Trollito and Coke-can Clarence both signaled they hate that right as well as a few others…so tired of these creepy weirdos having so much undue influence over this country. They don’t represent any kind of majority.
Yep they’ll be ridiculoued and they’ll never win another election. They’re morons.
Oh you’d be amazed. There’s a lot of conservatives who tacitly support this shit, they just don’t wanna air it out loud.
That’s why John Oliver’s offer to that aforementioned coke-cantard makes a lot of sense.
I wish she listened to the warnings in 2016. Now she’s here stating the obvious and trying to look insightful.
Do Viagra next…
They won’t.
Soon jacking off will be a crime
These people won’t stop till its literally illegal to be naked by yourself without some homely chapped-ass chaperone
Amusing as it is, nah. You’ve all got the conservatives pegged wrong. They don’t want abortions, they just want people abandoned for sake of their twisted virtue signaling. It’s perfectly acceptable to have a baby then abandon it in a dumpster. They also like their porn and booze. Most preachers are guilty of a hentai fetish or some weird shit. Jacking off will be a crime if it’s to gay porn only.
I mean they are literally passing laws which require attaching your real name to your porn habits. So yeah, I’d say it is 100% the goal to leak this stuff and eventually, openly persecute people for it.
Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson:
It scans all the activity on your phone, or your devices, your laptop, what have you; we do all of it,” Johnson told the panel about the app
It sends a report to your accountability partner. My accountability partner right now is Jack, my son. He’s 17. So he and I get a report about all the things that are on our phones, all of our devices, once a week. If anything objectionable comes up, your accountability partner gets an immediate notice. I’m proud to tell ya, my son has got a clean slate.”
My accountability partner right now is Jack, my son. He’s 17
Ah yes, I’m sure a 17 year old teenager has found absolutely no way to watch porn other than his (now infected) phone. Nope. No siree.
That, and if this dumbazz thinks his son is not yanking it because he infected his phone, he’s about as deluded as it gets.
So Jack no Jack off?
Ahh yeah. Nothing has helped my relationship with my son like cold distant surveillance.
Or maybe being single will be a crime? A fantasy dreamed up the utterly deranged.
Uh oh, the incels won’t be happy with that at all. Same with the MGOTW bunch (who are probably also just incels, too, if we are being honest).
I’m sure there’s a relevant bible verse that can be used to justify that.
There’s that one where “and Jesus spoke unto his flock, ‘maketh my words weapons, and ye shall have the word of God to force women to have sex with you for all eternity’ and everybody clapped”
It only makes sense that the club that’s been pushing abstinence only sex ed for however many years would move to ban birth control. After all, birth control is for sinners.
The same folks bemoaning birth control have endorsed state sterilization and euthanasia policies in the very recent past.
So much of this shit is just White Replacement hysterics with a legislative knife. The fixation on skin tone as a defining moral indicator has been the poison pill gagging this country since it was founded.
It only makes sense that the club that’s been pushing abstinence only sex ed for however many years would move to ban birth control. After all, birth control is for sinners.
There is also a contingent among conservatives who have been taught that birth control is tantamount to abortion. They think that since if an egg WERE to become fertilized it might not implant because of the birth control, that’s an abortion. (Even though as I understand it this secondary mechanism isn’t proven in hormonal BC.)
(As I got older and experienced the world I became far less conservative. My sister became more conservative. So I get to learn some of the crazy firsthand.)
I wish she would follow in the footsteps of all other 2 time losing political candidates and fall off into obscurity and never be heard/seem again.
Its easy to forget that, back in 2002, she was the US Senator from New York rubber stamping a bunch of Bush Era federal judges.
Now she’s here to “warn” us. Uh… thanks.
