The answer is always in the middle. Let’s do a little basic needs but only for the rich and a little genocide but only in the middle east
I can’t tell them apart in the way they both seed discord to keep people united behind them. I can’t tell them apart in the way they tear apart families with propaganda. In that sense, I’m a centrist.
You can argue one of them does less material damage all day, but they both rely on each other to exist in their current form. They are both predatory institutions that I will not be a part of.
Good lord… the comments on here proves that lemmy.world is flooded with politically incompetent libs that couldn’t tell the difference between left and right if their lives depended on it.
If you believe that there is such a thing as an actual “left” in formal political establishments, this means you.
That’s not why we are centrists…it might have more to due with our two choices of geriatric patients who are in a steep mental decline.
Centrist here. I don’t think the point of horseshoe theory is that the far-left and far-right are the same. The point is simply that they have similarities. Like both wanting to use violence to achieve their aims.
The left:
The right: we’re gonna do genocide
The right:
Uh, what? Can you provide any evidence of this whatsoever? Like, a shred perhaps?
The left:
You’re racist!
The left: we’re gonna spy on everyone to make sure you’re fine and doing well!
The right: dude nobody’s looking who cares
Centrists: are either of you sure and aware of your statements?
If by centrists, you mean neo-liberal Democrats, you got it.
I would not mean those people because I would consider them to be on the right. I mean people to the left of them but not left enough to reject corporate influence and embrace ideas like socialized medicine and housing.
I guess I see neo-liberals (focusing on white liberalism as a political movement) as not seeing themselves on the right. They think of themselves as being on the left, but are effectively antagonistic towards leftist policies, a highlighted example of this being the tension between “mainstream” Democrats and the progressive caucus within the Democratic party. White liberalalist ideology is fundamentally Neo-liberal and anti-revolutionary. Bipartisanship, institutionalism, incrementalism, these are the hallmarks of white liberalism. They extend from the ideals of a class of people who benefit from the existing structures in society. They don’t support racisim ‘explcity’ but they do benefit from it implicitly, and so support the institutions that build a racist society. In this way they can ‘oppose’ racism, but still benefit from it. They support ‘change’ but only want to pursue it in nickels and dimes, unwilling to commit to universal programs that benefit everyone (Obamacare is a perfect example of this). White-liberals have no problem making common cause with explicitly fascist or racist groups, because to them the politeness of society is more important than its outcomes. Not Nazis, but willing to caucus with them. See the recent border vote for an example of this.
Its easy and convenient to see right-wing fascist as the entirety of the problem, but those people would have no ability to drive their agenda forward if not for white liberals. White liberalism ineffectual approach to governing, disinterest in revolutionary or universal programs, and insistence on decorum and appearances is fundamental to why the right-wing has been so effective and capable in furthering their project and agenda. This is why everyone should be challenged by the blue-no-matter-who arguments. All you have to do is look at the previous 24 years of history to recognize that this is a fundamentally white-liberal argument (as in, a direct extension of white liberalism as a political philosophy). Its not working. It hasn’t worked. It doesn’t work. We shouldn’t expect it to work in the future. IT results in the worst possible match ups to win elections. If you are a leftist, it leaves you strategically vulnerable at every possible turn and historically has generated only negative progress.
White-liberalism is the second partner in a dance with white-nationalism towards fashism. White nationalists simply would not have been able to progress their agenda this far without it. It wasn’t just the Nazis that drove Germany into fascism. It was also the other parties who empowered, emboldened, and appeased the Nazis in their pursuit of power, which is precisely what we see ‘moderate’ Democrats doing today. If you want to deal with the rise of fascism in the US, you need to address white liberalisms control of the Democratic party first.
MLK knew.
yeah well, people here don’t.
ALL Leftists according to rightists: “all I want is basic needs met, obviously anyone who doesn’t grant a toddler universal basic income, and free on demand sex change surgery and accompanying hormones is obviously a nazi. Also, fuck white people, fuck men, fuck anyone in an incumbent demographic category. Simply by being male and white you should immediately pay reparations for daring to exist. Anyone who even asks about any of these subjects is committing a crime and should never be allowed to speak again. Also it’s illegal to not be attracted to fat people”
ALL Rightists according to leftists: “Anyone who I’m too stupid to understand shouldn’t exist. There is no middle ground or grey area on anything, it’s my way or the highway. All minorities shouldn’t exist at all, no one should exist who doesn’t conform to my specific set of arbitrary values. Anyone who says otherwise is a communist and hates themselves. Literally everyone must die. The police never make mistakes and any form of authority must be taken as 100% true at face value”
Centrists: “you both seem extremely closed-minded and I’m struggling to come to any conclusion other than being extreme is bad, and that these are complex subjects. I will try to focus on not being extreme.”
Yeah anyone can write literally anything you fucking idiots
People who already have their needs accounted for always seem so convinced that things will turn out hunky dory if things escalate to violence, and yet so rarely pass thought on the folks who are already struggling enough without The Troubles Part II Red Cap Boogaloo coming to a car bombing near them.
This forum is exactly like its reddit counterpart: hot garbage
“I’m fiscally Republican and socially a Liberal” is another great line to hide behind.
@FlyingSquid In my humble experience and understanding ‘centrism’ has been always an euphemism for ‘far right’ for the “politically correct” miserable cowards…
In an American point of view if I may
