Please start your comments with the following question answered at the top:
“Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?” [Y/N]
Something something, the whole system is fucked, we’re all fucked, we all think we’re free to turn where we want, but none of us paved the roads.
Not American, but it would be Y.
Of course not voting/voting Trump will not save Palestine, I can’t imagine anyone really thinks that. But imagine, if you can, that you do want to save Palestine, like actually do something to change the approach of your government. What would you suggest? Biden sometimes says the right things but does NOTHING practical. Aside from selling them weapons and voting down cease fire resolutions. I think it’s honestly pathetic to complain about people having a problem with that just because it’s an election year. Best time to genocide Palestinians I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Imagine how cool it would be if the choice was not between Donald Trump and Joe Biden but instead between Gavin Newsom and Nikki Haley.
I will likely vote for Biden because I don’t consume MSM junk news or Putin’s psyops propaganda that permeates social media. Few people understand the Israel/Palestine situation
If you deny people their right to expect their politicians to deliver what they want, then you will lose them. Yes Trump is a serious risk, but Biden could easily listen to the people, and deliver what they want. There are so many things he could do. There are things he is doing, but people are allowed to expect more.
Politicians need to meet the needs of the people. Why is it always expected that people meet the needs of the politicians in order to prevent catastrophe, without getting what they need.
Y
given all Biden is doing for women with abortion and ivf, he’s getting kids breakfast and lunch money, he’s helping reduce college loan disasters, Medicare is going after pharmas that price gouge, he’s the first president ever to join union members on the picket line, I could go on and on.
Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election? N.
First thing is I am going to vote against Biden in the primary. Second thing I am going to do is vote 3rd party for president and blue down the rest of the ballot.
I live in a state that the president election is decided (Delaware). I will vote blue since there is issues in Delaware like absentee and early voting that is on the docket. I live in the south of Delaware. Fun fact democrats don’t even run someone for state senate in my district. In ice cream millionaires son wins my district
I live in a blue state, so unless the poles are even slightly worrying I might vote 3rd party. But regardless I’ll probably vote Biden.
Y
Fuck Biden, and fuck the DNC, may they rot in hell, but Trump would be worse for people I love and care for.
My only hope is that the GOP implodes due to infighting, and the DNC splits into a leftist and establishment group of parties, so that we can choose between a leftist and a liberal, not a liberal and a fascist.
Weird how that makes it seem like the people trying to make things better are the ones responsible for making things worse. It’s almost like the whole system was set up to give us two horrible choices and make us think the lesser evil is actually good. That way we won’t try to really fix anything ourselves and just get angry at the people who do for “wasting their votes”. No hate to anyone who thinks this way just sharing another perspective.
I’d rather have Biden than Trump. But I’d rather have Dr. Cornell West or Claudia de la Cruz more than either of them by a lot. Hell I’m probably going to vote for one of them. I live in Maryland, a blue state that’ll go to Biden anyway. If anybody has a problem with that, I don’t care 🤷
I voted uncommitted, I will not be voting for 99% hitler or 99% hitler (blue)
stop enabling Israels genocide you sick freaks
Something something we have to support genocide because trump bad.
Let’s vote against someone meh for not being left enough, there will surely be no negative consequences to voting against someone for not being left enough
“But voting doesnt matter! Billions of dollars are spent and countless bills are passed to disenfranchise voters, but my opinion is def not bought and paid for by the very same to help enact their bullshit!”
refusing to vote is not giving trump anything. y’all keep misrepresenting the sentiment. the vote does not matter. when you vocalize that you intend to not vote for anyone in the ruling class, whether they are blue or red that really gets everyone talking and saying that you are handing the presidency to the opponent. as if the electoral college didn’t do that when trump lost the popular vote to hillary. yes please tell me how i, one person on federated decentralized platform with no corporate sponsorship, am undermining democracy when we don’t really have one that gives us real opportunity to control the government.
You’re undermining democracy by NOT VOTING LMAO
It’s literally that simple. The electoral college isn’t a conspiracy theory, it just weights votes slightly unequally. Your vote is still counted and if more than like 55% of the country votes for someone they’re getting in. I don’t get what’s so hard to understand about this. We’re not North Korea, use your damn votes people!
you’re undermining democracy
Democracy has forever been synonymous with class based societies. It has split entire countries into two barely-distinctive political parties (conservative and “progressive”) that are nevertheless permanently at each other’s throats. Even in its most libertarian-friendly forms, it has constantly failed to avert hierarchy, coercion and the authoritarian machinations of majority-groups.
Despite the issues IMO the way to fix democracy is not less democracy.
the problem is democracy: Western democracy originated in ancient Greece. This political system granted democratic citizenship to free men, while excluding slaves, foreigners and women from political participation. In virtually all democratic governments throughout ancient and modern history, this was what democracy meant. An elite class of free men made all the decisions for everyone. Before Athens adopted democracy, aristocrats ruled society, so “rule by the people”, or the idea of a government controlled (in theory) by all its (free) male citizens instead of a few wealthy families seemed like a good deal. But really it was just a new iteration of Aristocracy rule rather than the revolution it’s painted as. The rich still rule society by feeding voters carefully constructed propaganda and keeping everyone poor, overworked and desperate to be granted basic needs by the state.
In democracies today, only legal citizens of a country are granted democracy. In a lot of countries, people who have been convicted of a “crime” are denied the right to vote, regardless of how long ago they served their sentence. In the US, this is used to deny voting rights to minority groups, who make up a large proportion of the prison population.
In some societies only a small minority group are allowed to participate in the democracy. In Apartheid South Africa, the minority group (European settlers) granted themselves democracy and excluded the native majority, using democracy to deprive the native population of the rights granted to European settlers. Anarchy, of course, is an absence of government; of rulers. Democracy aims for the individual to be governed, ruled, controlled by others.
The rich still rule society by feeding voters carefully constructed propaganda and keeping everyone poor, overworked and desperate to be granted basic needs by the state.
Democracy requires an educated and inforned electorate. And that is what the political rhetoric and lawyers have destroyed.
Keeping everyone dependant on their shrinking wallet makes them easily led, aka Vote your pocketbook, into defunding education, libraries,etc.
The rich still can afford to pay for quality privatized versions of these things.
Democracy requires an educated and inforned electorate
Only enough to understand the propaganda that they are fed. Its amazing how little higher educated people know about neurodivergence, LGBTQ+ experiences, class consciousness, indigenous cultures and lifeways.
We live in an ultra-capitalist society operating on the ableism, classism, racism and sexism that defined ancient grecian and roman politics.
you’re right that people are voting against their interests, both dems and republicans
the vote with your wallet rhetoric sounds good when you realize that you have less dollars than a multinational corporation. so we’ve tied political and civil freedom to the ability to pay for what you think they should be? that means the rich will always win. and this vote with your wallet rhetoric is parroted by people making less than 50k/year because they think being an american libertarian is edgy
you’re right that its not a conspiracy theory, it is simply a conspiracy.
Ok and this prevents you from voting how?
It doesn’t. That’s not the only reason I’m not voting. I’m not voting because it concerns democrats that I am not voting for them. Maybe instead of being concerned with someone that is using their constitutionally protected right to choose not to vote, you should listen to the criticisms and take a stand. Maybe if democrats fulfilled their promises, there wouldn’t be growing discontent with them.
I’m not voting because it concerns democrats that I am not voting for them
Wouldn’t calling your representatives and notifying them of your dislike of their policies be even more effective?
constitutionally protected right to choose not to vote
If you have to defend your actions by saying “uhhh ok but it’s not illegal to do that” then your reasoning is bad and your actions are likely bad too
Maybe if democrats fulfilled their promises
Kind of hard to do when we’re only half of the government. I’ll let you know next time we have a supermajority (admittedly we could have done more last time we had one).
Wouldn’t calling your representatives and notifying them of your dislike of their policies be even more effective?
What makes you think i havent? All you get is an answering machine anyway
If you have to defend your actions by saying “uhhh ok but it’s not illegal to do that” then your reasoning is bad and your actions are likely bad too
y’all are acting like im committing a cardinal sin by not participating in complying with a genocide
Kind of hard to do when we’re only half of the government
and how many more times will they lead us on. if they know that they cant fulfill it, why say it?? they constantly say we will do this, and this and that and then we get nothing but excuses citing conditions or factors that were well in play before they got the vote. intentional false advertising
Not all idiots support Trump. Honestly, this is a good reminder. Apathy is still going strong and in lieu of truly understanding a system some folks would rather listen to an obviously broken gps and hard left straight down a boat ramp and into a lake.
This is so tiring constantly arguing with people like you. It’s always either “Trump is the worst! I’m not voting for Biden!” or some conviction that they cannot enact change where their only attempts to create change is yelling loudly about how unfair things are with absolutely zero action. I’ll give Republicans this much: As often as they disagree and argue with one another, come voting time they sure as hell put aside those differences and agree to support one person. Meanwhile the rest of us continue to argue about things like “Oh man, Biden has kept like two dozen promises and is working on keeping even more but oh geez he broke a handful. Just the worst person ever. I’m gonna abstain from voting!” and then have the gall to say they’re making the right choice.
Like…fuck. Maybe it’s time we stopped being so nice. Literal fascism is knocking and people’s lives are at stake here in the U.S.; people are dying here too. Our apathy and willingness to turn a blind eye through patience and understanding has gotten us to this position. How much more before it finally runs out.
Sorry, I’m just so damned concerned. This is a pivotal time. We can have a chance to fix things, we just need to come together for once. Fuck.
Sorry, I’m just so damned concerned. This is a pivotal time. We can have a chance to fix things, we just need to come together for once. Fuck.
Voting for biden will not fix things. It didn’t fix anything from trumps presidency or before. Trans people are still losing their rights and Biden has done fuck all. The democrats always say that they can fix things then make up excuses as to why they couldn’t when they knew they couldn’t to begin with. Biden is a zionist, an ideology that is pretty fascist. Fascism has always been an amerikan quality. This used to be an apartheid state and some would argue it still is. this isnt just about biden. this is about countless times we have been given a controlled choice. democrats don’t do shit when you vote for them. they certainly seem pretty worried now, maybe it will light a fire under their ass to do what needs to be done. Until then, I see no reason to vote either way. republicans are fucked and democrats are not an actual solution.
In the simplest terms: Biden may not be the answer. Trump and the GOP is a problem. With Biden holding another 4 years we, the people, can step up. We’ll have that chance. If Trump and the GOP gain hold we probably won’t, not without something else pushing that change.
A chance. That’s what we need. I feel people are at that point. You see it everywhere. The barely contained anger and frustration from the Left. With Trump we aren’t likely to get that chance. With Biden we have four years to stop talking and start standing.
Ive been hearing this same line my whole life. “This is the most important election! And this one too, and that one, and the next one!” Im fighting right now by refusing to vote for either. Look how effective it is at getting them to squirm. They are paying attention to people refusing to vote, not yall that they already have in the bag. We’ve had four years of biden and we’ve been fighting for him tondo what he said he would. He hasnt. So where the fuck have you been? Sounds like sitting on your ass waiting for others to start the fight. Its already rolling, shut up and get in
“So you think its an absolute, i will use this to my advantage in negotiations to change my behavior”
democracy
Western democracy originated in ancient Greece. This political system granted democratic citizenship to free men, while excluding slaves, foreigners and women from political participation. In virtually all democratic governments throughout ancient and modern history, this was what democracy meant. An elite class of free men made all the decisions for everyone. Before Athens adopted democracy, aristocrats ruled society, so “rule by the people”, or the idea of a government controlled (in theory) by all its (free) male citizens instead of a few wealthy families seemed like a good deal. But really it was just a new iteration of Aristocracy rule rather than the revolution it’s painted as. The rich still rule society by feeding voters carefully constructed propaganda and keeping everyone poor, overworked and desperate to be granted basic needs by the state.
In democracies today, only legal citizens of a country are granted democracy. In a lot of countries, people who have been convicted of a “crime” are denied the right to vote, regardless of how long ago they served their sentence. In the US, this is used to deny voting rights to minority groups, who make up a large proportion of the prison population.
In some societies only a small minority group are allowed to participate in the democracy. In Apartheid South Africa, the minority group (European settlers) granted themselves democracy and excluded the native majority, using democracy to deprive the native population of the rights granted to European settlers. Anarchy, of course, is an absence of government; of rulers. Democracy aims for the individual to be governed, ruled, controlled by others.
You mean if you live in a battleground state. Everyone else lives in a state that would require a massive change.
Oh look we’re supporting a genocide. I wonder if that’s enough to do it?
Voting republican won’t change that, in fact it will make that and several other issues much worse. We need reform but we can’t achieve that if we don’t have a democracy.
Nobody said they’re voting Republican. This is very specifically about Gaza.
“Battleground state” means the vote could go either way. Anyways, how do we effect Gaza as American citizens again? I think it starts with a “v”…
It’s crazy how you can comment something this logical and well thought out, and the next comment will be; “but if you don’t vote for Biden, Trump will be worse.”
Genocide is not meh. If we don’t turn around on this then we aren’t the US anymore. I’m not going to play shades of moral blackness. I was willing to play with grey shades because there was a possibility of moving this back to actually helping people instead of exploiting them. But now we’re exploiting the lives of poor starving people for donor money.
“Being meh” is my new favorite definition of “enabling genocide”
Milosovich was meh.
Adolf Hitler was pretty meh
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Joe Biden is complicit in genocide and we should be honest about that.
He’s also likely a rapist.
