How else are you supposed to stabilize a highly-developed postindustrial economy with increasingly rare opportunities to get ahead for most of the population? Didn’t you people read your Friedrich Hayek?
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Hey, are you also referring to Negative Income Tax by Friedman?
Infinite debt? You’ve never heard of paying for things with taxes?
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Are you just chatting me up now? Because you’re certainly not addressing anything I said.
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IDK, he seemed pretty clear when he said that “the assurance of a certain minimum income for everyone, or a sort of floor below which nobody need fall even when he [sic] is unable to take care of himself, appears not only to be a wholly legitimate protection against a common risk to all, but a necessary part of the Great Society in which the individual no longer has specific claims on the members of the particular small group into which he was born.”
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Sorry, what does “certain minimum income” mean in your native language?
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How else are you supposed to stabilize a highly-developed postindustrial economy with increasingly rare opportunities to get ahead for most of the population?
glances at the command economy model
You’re not going to like the answer.
How do you live in Louisiana and not realize your government hates you
Survival is a birthright you absolute fucking vultures. We made money a requirement for that.
And it’s not like you can screw off into the forest to live a self-sufficient life either, because I’m pretty sure that’s illegal in most places in the world. If the forest isn’t already devoid of resources due to human activity that is.
It’s also just a ridiculous proposition. So much media tells us this is possible, but no, it’s not, not even if you find a virgin jungle. Professional survivalists who train and study for it still wouldn’t be able to actually live a full life - at some point you’re vulture food without society. We’re cooperative, tribal animals. That’s our strength, and we’ve built economic systems designed to take that strength from us.
‘Is money a birthright now?’
Only for some. Or are we outlawing inheritances as well?
Rich Republicans and their useful idiots: vampire hissing sound DEATH TAX! additional hissing
Social security for all!
If they don’t want money to be a birthright they should make it so money isn’t necessary to stay alive
I’m sure the average Republican would say being alive isn’t a birthright either.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…
– US Declaration of IndependenceI disagree with
3(e: actually 4) words in that sentence, but I’m struggling to find a single phrase that modern conservatives agree with.Republicans in 2024:
❌ Form a more perfect Union
❌ Establish Justice
❌ Insure domestic Tranquility
🙄Provide for the common defense
❌ Promote the general Welfare
🖕Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism:
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Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible” leader who never admits mistakes.
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Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies.
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Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood.
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White Replacement “Theory” used to show that democratic ideals of freedom and equality are a threat. Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious.
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Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation.
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Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders.
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Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”.
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Rampant sexism.
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Control of mass media and undermining “truth”.
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Obsession with national security, crime and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack.
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Religion and government are intertwined.
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Corporate power is protected and labor power is suppressed.
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Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative.
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Rampant cronyism and corruption. Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important than competence.
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Fraudulent elections and creation of a one-party state.
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Often seeking to expand territory through armed conflict.
I’d put green ticks on nearly all of those, and the only ones I wouldn’t are only because they don’t have the unilateral power to do them yet. I’m confident they will do them the moment they can.
Surely gerrymandering and making voting as difficult as possible for working individuals gets at least partial credit to 15, no?
Yes, and J6 and the rhetoric that followed gets them all the way there. Trump has literally told his voters on multiple occasions there’s no point in voting because it’s all fraudulent.
Cool hope they all take his advise.
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Unless you’re an embryo.
Hmm, that could definitely be phrased more powerfully.
- If they don’t want money to be a birthright, then poverty and destitution shouldn’t be free?
- Life’s necessities shouldn’t be paywalled if they don’t want birthright funds?
- To oppose money as a birthright is to support survival not being held hostage by financial scarcity?
Or whatever. Idk, I spent too much time on this. It was fun though!
Nah, theirs was better.
That’s fair
Theirs was better, but I salute (and upvote) your effort, it’s good to try and improve our messaging.
This other commenter did pretty good though:
Please, ban it. I dare you. When other states introduce UBI, watch people across the political spectrum leave for greener pastures.
Except for the poor, who don’t have the money to move, and who need it the most.
Yeah there’s several states I’d move to if I could move my job there and I already had guaranteed affordable housing.
Unfortunately neither of those things are ever likely to be true, certainly not at the same time. I can’t afford to move.
Of course it is. But only if you have rich parents.
This reminds me of arguing with a coworker once. I was saying we essentially have basic income for the wealthy. If you have a million dollars, you can turn that into ~$45k year with just high yield savings accounts. No risk. It’s insured.
He was like, “But they’re taking risks with their money so that’s not the same.” I was like, “No risk. It’s insured.”
He was like, “But that money is being used on stuff. The bank invests it to start businesses.” I was like, “If you just give money to poor people, they will spend it, and support businesses, and in better ways.” But then we had to stop talking about it because we were at a work event. I think he started to reject the premise that poor people buying groceries is better for the economy than a bank investing in Snapcat (it’s snapchat, for cats!), or whatever.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In the past year, Arizona, Iowa, South Dakota, Texas, and Wisconsin legislators have introduced bills to ban income programs, arguing they are too costly and could make participants too reliant on the government.
GOP Rep. Lupe Diaz, who authored the bill, specifically attacked a 2022 Phoenix program that gave $1,000 to 1,000 low-income families each month for a year, pulling from federal relief funds.
The Arizona news comes shortly after Iowa GOP state Rep. Steve Holt introduced a bill banning basic-income programs, which he called “socialism on steroids” at a recent hearing.
GBI programs “undercut the dignity in earning a dollar, and they’re a one-way ticket to government dependency,” Republican state Sen. John Wiik, the bill’s sponsor, said at a February committee meeting.
Bettencourt noted that Uplift Harris, which received over 48,000 applications within the first three days, could violate a section of the Texas constitution stating the legislature cannot give counties the authority to grant public money for individual aid.
Ivanna Neri, senior director of partnerships at UpTogether, which partnered with Austin for the pilot, told BI that attempts to ban basic-income projects don’t often consider that these programs could have long-term impacts on wealth inequality and could power the economy.
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If you aren’t desperate, they can’t exploit you
“A hungry dog is an obedient dog” is an actual quote from one of these ghouls.
Who said that?
Iowa has been dealing with automation and outsourcing problems for a long time. I’m surprised that the farming families aren’t asking for UBI. Considering how farming subsidies have been in place for decades it wouldn’t even be a big stretch.
You might want to look up how many tax subsidies and federal programs the farmers are protected by. They don’t want anyone else to get a piece of that pie.
Always has been
They do realize all that UBI eventually filters up to their capitalist overlords.
They are not that dumb. (Tuberville nonwithstanding)
They just like to fuel the culture wars, and to divide and conquer.
The real reason they oppose it (and other safety net things, like unemployment pay and health care that’s not tied to a job) is that they don’t want a mobile workforce that can easily quit or unionise if abused.
The power dynamics between employees and employers would shift dramatically if employees knew they could just stay home and still get a few $k to fall back on.
Heck, even the small stimulus checks during the pandemic had a huge effect like that that is still shaking out as increased union activity.
Capitalists depend on the threat of hunger and homelessness. UBI undermines that.
I’m a Lifelong Republican and I LOVE how the Republican Party is a CHAMPION for the Working Class! Money is NOT a Birthright unless you’re already super rich and then it’s OK to suck at the Government’s Teat!
Lol I came so close to downvoting. You really need a /s in there.
Is money required to deal with Republicans ?
Yes but not much if it’s in Rubles.
