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WFH and successful collaboration are not mutually exclusive. Quality of life and commuter culture are (unless you define yourself by your job … which is sad).
Studies are just statistics hidden behind words and statistics can be twisted to support any theory. Also, the main study being touted in this thread as verifiable facts is absurdly manipulated and miniscule.
The “researchers” of that study have constantly been changing the dataset used to calculate their numbers and then doing fuzzy math to “re-weight” the results. Removing and excluding participants based on salary or the year of salary that it uses to generate statistics from. Oh and the participant count is 200k since May 2020. Meanwhile, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics National Current Employment Statistics show about 135 MILLION non-farm private sector workers in the US.
Yeah. An actual study of how WFH impacts companies and workers does not exist. Mostly because companies don’t care to spend the money to find out and no one else has the money or access to truly determine the truth.
So, in the absence of an actual facts, let me randomly quote anecdotal statistics which is completely unscientific, 6 out of 10 people you ask prefer WFH or Hybrid (except if they are a people person and need personal interaction for their own happiness or their home life sucks). The 7th one out of 10 want full time back to office for whatever personal reasons they have. Usually related to in office romance or criminal activities. The 8th out of 10 wants no one to be able to WFH because their job can’t be done remotely and are envious that they chose a career they don’t like. The 9th and 10th out of 10 people are the ones who stand to benefit from people being tethered to a life of nothing but your job being the sole focus of everything you do. So, when it comes down to it, it feels like a toss up when you ask people but really, its just those with personal reasons or a vested interest in the rat race that want asses in seats. Governments, real estate property companies, business district establishments and ride share companies for example.
I personally would love for my job to be fully remote without any ridiculous salary adjustments based on where I live. The skills I need/have, the work required of me and the quality of work that I perform does not change because I moved to a LCOL area. The compensation I get for my work shouldn’t either.
As a compromise or if I have other reasons for being willing to commute to an office for my type of work, I would prefer a 4 day work week with 2 days in office and 2 days remote. Also, no stupid rules about making the days non-consecutive or otherwise forcing artificial barriers to minimizing the impact to your personal life for office face time.
Quiet Quitting
Stealth firing me thinks. Dell getting on that post 2022 tech layoff thing a lil late
The best thing about a soft barrier like this (as opposed to “you have to be in the office next Monday”) is that it doesn’t cost the employee anything to coast along until they find their better opportunity. Dell may trim their workforce, but not on their own timetables.
There were plenty of layoffs last year too.
They just sold VMware. Sounds like we’re going for record profits!
Remote workers tell Dell they got a promotion at another company and are giving their 2 weeks notice. 🤞
That’s exactly what dell wants, it’s a way to do layoffs without the bad PR and without having to pay the benefits (or whatever they are called). They know full well a good chunk of people working at home don’t want to go back to the office and will hunt for another job instead.
There’s layoffs all the time at Dell. There were two rounds last year.
Sure but doesn’t mean you can’t be applying and interviewing on their dime. This bullshit isn’t anything new and only leads to the company retaining the blow average employees. If you can leave and get a raise in the process you should.
Performance is irrelevant if you’re gone by the time of your next review.
it’s a way to do layoffs without the bad PR
In what world isn’t this bad PR? I know it’s making me never want to work for Dell or buy any of their computers again.
Layoffs look way worse on a headline than this
Depends. Your shareholders might like it and send the stock up a few points.
The thing corporations are risking though when they do this, is brain drain. Brain drain is a real and dangerous thing for a corporation.
Dell executives celebrate over lines of coke after successfully getting people to leave on their own without paying severance
This is why the solution is worker laws that forces companies to offer remote option for certain titles/roles.
The sad thing is a lot of companies are doing the same thing…
I’m job hunting rn and most of it is hybrid or in office. I am not saying all of them are I seen a few that are remote but they feel sorta rare at least for the jobs I’m looking at (graphics programming, games and GPU stuff).
Have you entertained the idea of agreeing to a hybrid job and sorta just appear fewer and fewer times in the office? It’s been working for me so far.
Most of them seem to mandate a fixed number of days in office. Some even say specifically certain days. I dunno… currently software job market feels pretty fucked up rn, but I been getting some good interviews so hopefully it all works out.
For WFH something I might be able to do is recently I was diagnosed autistic and my diagnosis documentation lists WFH as a workplace accommodation… so I could pull that card but I for sure am not gana bring that up till I have actually accepted an offer and have started working for a bit of time. And even then I am not sure how it will play if I tell them that, how it will effect things or how they treat me. It’s all kinda fucky.
Yep, and all the remote jobs get hundreds of applications immediately.
I went from fully remote to hybrid (2 days in office) and it’s not bad. Got a $30k raise for the trouble, and the job security is much better because the pool of local candidates is much smaller than a remote employee who can hire from anywhere.
Fuck Dell. I will remember all these shitty companies when it comes time.
Fucking dipshits… Always have been, I hope their CEOs find themselves locked in a SAW like puzzle with the HP CEOs
What an absolutely buck wild strategy. Dell official policy is no longer promoting the best person for the job.
Even if they wanted this to be the strategy, it works better not to announce it. Announcing it just means literally anyone worth promoting who is remote will go looking externally, maybe immediately.
This is either a sneak layoff or inexcusable management.
Well, I found plenty of remote work jobs are available… Even for less money, it’s still worth it. I can move to an area with very low cost of living, scaled down to just 1 car, saves on gas, clothes, time. I do the same job on the same screen no matter where I sit
Where did you go to search for these remote jobs?
Glad this comments section is filled with thoughtful posts instead of just mindless raging.
What are your thoughts on the subject?
The evidence is mounting that hybrid seems to be the most productive, with full WFH being less productive than full in office.
And this lines up with my experience, having been full wfh for around 10 years, and now in a hybrid setting.
I get that commuting sucks and wfh is way better for workers, but if we want to work out what’s best for both employees and business, we have to actually be reasonable, rather than just have some kind of mindless knee-jerk reaction that these companies are trying to be productive.
I think the future of work is hybrid, with lots of flexibility for workers to take the time they need for typical shit, like going to the doctor, without it counting as vacation.
Thank you for your comments. I feel the same. And I can especially understand that you would tie promotions to at least hybrid. If you’re responsible for other people, need to discuss, brainstorm and instruct, it’s just a necessity to show up in person every now and them.
And c’mon… Being obliged to work hybrid for a promotion… It’s not like that’s a draconian measure at all.
Source? Your ass?
Linked it in another post. But based on your response, we can all rest assured that the facts don’t matter.
“A sample of 26 studies out of 112 potential studies (from various databases, including Scopus, Google Scholar, and the Web of Science database from 2020 to 2022) were used after a comprehensive literature search and thorough assessment based on PRISMA-P guidelines. Findings reveal that the impact of the WFH model on employee productivity and performance depend on a host of factors, such as the nature of the work, employer and industry characteristics, and home settings, with a majority reporting a positive impact and few documenting no difference or a negative impact.”
As I already said, the evidence early in the pandemic, which your study is pulling from, showed a slight increase. Although yours claims a mixed bag. Your link doesn’t challenge my claim at all.
I’m pointing to the more current evidence showing the reverse is true and productivity is dropped.
I guess we will have to wait for more studies, the consensus now is that it’s beneficial. My personal experience is that I’m happier and working harder than ever.
Every study I read shows that WFH makes people happier and more productive.
If hybrid was once every two weeks or something sure
Other than that, it’s absolutely unnecessary
Every study I read shows that WFH makes people happier and more productive.
There were a bunch of studies early on in the pandemic that wfh showed a small boost in productivity. But we have to agree that this was a weird time and also the novelty of wfh might have affected these measurements.
Newer studies have concluded a pretty substantial drop in productivity with wfh. I’ll dig them up and link them, if you think the evidence would actually convince you.
Hybrid sucks. It’s the worst of both worlds. Meetings with half In a room and half not are awful.
Hybrid stops the progress to efficiency, allowing for bad practices to creep back in. Poor documentation, bad workflows, side work nobody knows about, to name a few.
Work from home can be just as productive, if not more so, but the workload has to be managed to achieve it.
Maybe it can be just as productive, but the current evidence does not support this conclusion. Although I fail to see how wfh would even remotely be better for poor documentation and side work, it seems like it would be way more open to this than either.
Feel free to post this evidence that wfh is not more productive. Everything I have seen has unusual metrics or seems obvious that a conclusion was reached based on what the purchaser of the study wanted.
Wfh is better for documentation and stops side work nobody knows about because you bake it into your business.
Creating a document? Better have Metadata and a reason, and stored publicly. No one off excel sheets, or emailed word docs.
Wikis and collaborative tools are used in the open by everyone, as well as dashboarding and production metrics. Clear defined work processes and workflows are a must.
What happens in hybrid, is people start doing the sticky notes, using email, word of mouth work, and undocumented training/knowledge share.
By publicly. I mean internally, all workers should have access to, and edit rights to, all knowledge.
There is nothing about working from home or hybrid that limits nor enables your ability to implement all of the policies you’ve listed out.
It seems to me that your defeating your whole point by arguing that because wfh has some shortcomings you have to implement extra policies to make it work, which makes work better. But what would probably be just as good would be implementing those things with a hybrid schedule.
The point is that you can’t measure productivity if there is no effort to actually make it work. At that point hybrid is just as bad.
The article was interesting, and this stood out:
“In many of the studies we cite and in some of our own survey evidence, workers often get more done when remote simply because they save time from the daily commute and from other office distractions,” Barrero tells Fortune. “This can make them look more productive on a ‘per day’ basis, even if it means they’re actually less productive on a ‘per hour’ basis.”
So why does per hour win over per day? I would rather be productive each day and manage my own time over an hour by hour basis.
Which leads to another key point in productivity: asynchronous work. Hybrid and in office tends to go back to synchronous work, which in itself is not productive.
Why would there be posts in the comments? The comments go under the post.
Screw you Dell
That is messed up. Dell sucks.
It’s all coming from Michael Dell. He pushed this policy out and offered no explanation.
It’s all coming from Michael Dell. He pushed this policy out and offered no explanation.
If true, that’s so strange, considering he said this before…
“If you are counting on forced hours spent in a traditional office to create collaboration and provide a feeling of belonging within your organization, you’re doing it wrong.”
Wouldn’t be surprised if the people trying to push this policy are heavily invested in office real estate also
From the article…
The upcoming policy update represents a dramatic reversal from Dell’s prior stance on work from home (WFH), which included CEO Michael Dell saying: “If you are counting on forced hours spent in a traditional office to create collaboration and provide a feeling of belonging within your organization, you’re doing it wrong.”
Hey guys, you know who we need less of? All those guys that know what they’re doing!
This is unequivocally true. Most (not all) people who come in to the office are there for “social” reasons, aka politics and optics. Note that this isn’t the same as people who go to the office for actual social reasons, but they prefer once a month type get togethers.
Productive people are productive from home, period. Productive don’t need to be nannied into being productive.
And nanies cost money. So do you have another employee who could be productive now play babysitter half the time? That isn’t going to help anything but a lot of companies seem to think it’s the answer.
