A New York appeals court on Monday agreed to hold off collection of former President Donald Trump’s $454 million civil fraud judgment — if he puts up $175 million within 10 days.
If he does, it will stop the clock on collection and prevent the state from seizing his assets while he appeals.
Delay. Delay. Delay.
Can a broke single parent get such mercy?
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FUCK THIS JUSTICE SYSTEM.
RIGGED AS FUCK
Boooo!
What I want to say will get me banned. So I’ll just say fuck Trump.
Does it involve copious amounts of fire, by any chance?
Oh my God it’s a fire!..sale. On all Trump’s properties.
This would get him paid
Summary of Trump being held accountable for his crimes:
Yeah I have no idea how I fell for the same, “Trump is in real trouble this time” article that journalists have been pumping out for the last 6 years.
It took me a minute to realize how fuckimg perfect this picture is.
Also: me trying to write fucking with swipes: Ducking chucking docking fixing cycling duckling… Apple really doesn’t want me to type it.
What do you expect from a country where money can buy you anything, including justice.
I’m just being silly, but isn’t this technically due to his lack of money?
He led an insurrection on the capitol building almost half a decade ago and he’s still walking free and running for president. Do you think he has seen any meaningful consequences, or does money make the world go round?
I’m not saying he didn’t, that it doesn’t, or that he has. It’s just that the whole reason were talking about this is cause he over-inflated the value of his assets and nobody wants to loan him money. Technically, if he had money to pay for this, he wouldn’t be in this predicament. He wouldn’t be begging people to put it on credit. Any reasonable rich person would just pay the damn thing and get it out of the way. Then again he’s not reasonable… but I digress.
I’m sure this was just a “legit” way to get the amount lowered / pander to his base / kiss his ass. It sucks that nobody has the gumption to give him the consequences he deserves, but I don’t care if he says “he has the money,” or had the money in the past to get to the presidency and get everyone on board with his demented plot of world domination. If he doesn’t pay it, he ain’t got it. There’s a reason nobody with actual money would loan it to him.
Yes, greed rules the world.
5 days ago I was downvoted for saying this would happen. Yet here we are.
Expect this judgement to get appealed and tossed completely. They can’t do it all in one go as that’s too obvious. Doing a slow roll. Randomly extending the deadline and slashing the bond amount is just the first step. Expect more. Each time easing up even more on Trump.
There’s no reason to toss the judgement and the appeals court is a NY State Court. Every single judge has been appointed by a Democratic Governor.
The Court of Appeals consists of seven judges: the Chief Judge and six associate judges who are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the state senate to 14-year terms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Court_of_Appeals
There are no legal problems with the case against Trump, and his lying about property values is well documented. They are definitely not going to vacate the judgement.
Your doomer comment makes no sense. This dude is currently fucked. He has to pay $175 million in 10 days, and the rest when the appeals court boots the case. This is clearly bad for him. He should get it over with (if he can), stay out of court, and campaign for president. There’s so many court cases coming that he will have to cancel his rallies, because of time and money constraints.
He has more than enough & spare change just from the GoFundMe alone.
He has to pay $175M in 10 days. For now. That could get extended. Or reduced. Or both. No reason to assume he’ll be held to that now. All evidence points to it being reduced or extended again.
What evidence? The judges on the NY State Court of Appeals are all appointed by Democrats. More than that, he personally insults judges, making him not a sympathetic defendant to them.
They are tolerating him so that he has no avenues for appeal to the NY State Supreme Court. That’s exactly what Judge Engoron did in this case. Stop being a doomer and take the win.
What evidence?
The fact that is was cut 60% just because Donald said he wasn’t going to pay
They are tolerating him so that he has no avenues for appeal
This is literally the opposite… they are bending over backwards to give him a better chance to appeal
Stop being a doomer and take the win.
Where is the win?
The judgement was not reduced. The amount of the bond he has to post ahead of time is reduced, and it’s still $175 million!
Better chance to appeal? He can appeal whether or not he posts the bond. Read about the case more.
How about this. The fact the appeals court didn’t even give a reason for the decision. So can the next person that wants to appeal cite this? Not really because there’s no reason to cite. The piss judges couldn’t even be bothered to release their rationale.
I never said it was the judgement, I knew it was the bond but the point remains… Why does he get a break?
Also, he needs to post the bond to appeal, that’s the whole issue here… They are giving him a 60% discount to make it easier for him to appeal… Maybe take your own advice and read about the case more
The fact that they already gave him an extension and a reduction once, just now. How can you be in this thread, yet not paying attention? They are literally at this moment giving him exactly the special treatment you claim there’s “no evidence” for!
Are you not paying attention? I just said they are tolerating him so he has no legal avenues for the judgment to be reduced or appealed. Like it or not, this is what you have to do with clients who have lots of money for lawyers.
He’s not getting away with anything. These judges are making sure he’s 100% fucked. If you don’t understand this principle, just say so. Have you ever followed a court case with a wealthy defendant?
so he has no legal avenues for the judgment to be reduced or appealed
you just plain do not understand what is happening. They are helping him to appeal, the bond amount is part of the appealing process, its collateral put away until the appeal is over and the judgment enforced. This was an appeals court.
they are tolerating him so he has no legal avenues for the judgment to be reduced or appealed.
Of course! If the judges reduce it now then Trump can’t get it reduced later! Just keep reducing it down and there will be nothing for Trump to appeal, brilliant!
There are no legal problems with the case against Trump, and his lying about property values is well documented. They are definitely not going to vacate the judgement.
How many times have we heard this already? “They’re not going to do the thing. If they do the thing, that’s just a bridge too far even for them. Not even they will do the thing to protect Trump.”
Courts: does the thing. Lawmakers: do the thing. GOP voters: do the thing. Trump: gets away with it.
Everyone else: Surprisedpicachu.jpg
Trump is facing 91 counts in four criminal trials:
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A hush money case where Trump is in little legal peril, is based on shaky legal theory, and puts him at no political risk. And the DA has already caused two delays with their handling of their own evidence.
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A RICO Case in Georgia, by far the most important criminal case in the country and easily the most important case in Fani Willis’ career, and she throws the entire case into jeopardy because she cannot keep her personal and professional life separate. (I am not admonishing her for her personal life choices or actions, but when you have a case of this importance to both the nation and your personal career against this defendant, then you should be doing nothing to even give yourself a sniff of conflict of interest, impropriety, or ethics concerns.)
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A stolen documents case in Florida being overseen by a judge who was appointed by Trump, has already repeatedly overstepped her authority to run interference for Trump, has deferred to Trump at every step of the case so far, and has openly stated her intentions to dismiss the case after jury selection has begun so double jeopardy attaches and the dismissal can’t be appealed.
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A Jan6 case in DC that is currently on indefinite hold while the Supreme Court (3 of which were appointed by Trump himself) decides to wait a couple of months before ruling on whether or not Trump is an absolute dictator that is above the law and I wish I were making that up.
Where’s the accountability? And when (not if, when) the $464m award gets tossed out because fuck you thats why, will you continue to believe Trump will ever be held accountable for his actions? Because we have 8 years and counting of history to show that the answer to that question is “No”, and those who are responsible for that accountability seem gleefully willing to bend over backwards to avoid giving it to him.
Until the day I see either Trump or Mar-A-Lago slapped behind a padlock, I will continue to refuse to believe he will ever be held to account.
8 years and counting? More like 77 and counting
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Your doomer comment makes no sense. This dude is currently fucked. He has to pay $175 million in 10 days
He was supposed to have had to pay ~$500 million today, yet a judge appointed by a Democratic Governor gave him special treatment yet again.
Frankly, your unfounded optimism makes no sense.
He still has to pay the whole judgment. This is just the bond ahead of the appeal.
I believe the law was changed recently to prevent people from appealing and delaying the judgment. So a few years ago, he wouldn’t have had to pay anything right now.
There’s no way property would have been seized and sold by the end of today anyway. So getting $175 million in cash now and $280 million in property in a month is almost the same.
Not particularly, because reducing the appeals bond means that Trump can delay the trial even longer - which is the plan. Pretty much everyone sees that his plan from the beginning has been to push back and delay as long as possible, preferably until he’s either confirmed as the Republican nominee (in which case he can beat the wardrum of “oh this is a political witch hunt, you can’t sue a major political candidate”) or, more preferably, he wins the election, in which case I’m sure the DOJ will move double-quick to find a way for him to not have to pay a cent to anyone.
This is a NY State Court. They don’t answer to the DOJ.
They’re not supposed to answer to the DOJ.
Seems that whenever Trump is involved, a lot of things that aren’t supposed to happen keep happening.
We’re all just clinging on to the last sheds of hope in order to not fall into the endless pit of despair.
I don’t really have any faith in the court system anymore. Why should anyone? They control neither the purse nor the sword, and yet unqualified political stooges can dictate policy.
Imagine if we did the same for engineers or doctors. “Hey, my completely unqualified buddy gets to design a bridge, and if it falls down and kills people it is their fault!” It’s ridiculous.
Traitors.
Its worse, now he can get someone else, some idiot sucker to post the bond for him, and he’ll never pay a dime on this. He will tie the appeal up in courts for a decade and be long dead before ever paying anything.
Yeah, I’m fully aware of why this motherfucker just needs to be removed from this earth.
For anyone in the same mood as I am today, I think I’ll rent The Beekeeper later, where Jason Statham kills scores of evil motherfuckers, because they drove his friend to suicide. It is a very cathartic and satisfying film, amd trust me when I say the themes are very relevant.
This article has some interesting info for normal people trying to get their bail reduced.
- The court isn’t allowed to force you to go to jail by setting the bail so high that you can’t afford it.
- The court is required to give a reason for the bail amount, but it’s not clear if the reason would be public information.
He’s not going to jail yet. Those are other criminal cases.
This is a civil suit.
Bring back debtors prison.
It would be wonderful to apply to Trump, but in reality with our current political climate, debtor’s prison would be used by Blackrock and BOFA to imprison millions of people.
They would do some fuckery with interest rates, look at businesses with some added columns, and see how many employees they could imprison through buying the company and causing its collapse.
Did the judge by any chance suddenly get $20 million richer?
How is this not corruption? All lawyers I’ve heard, say you need to put down the full amount. Are they ALL wrong?How is this not corruption?
Its naked corruption. Everyone involved should be disbarred and be immediately investigated.
You know they’re not gonna let that happen.
They deserve to be <‼️TOS violation‼️>… but unfortunately, you should know by now that all societal rules and laws are only for us plebs, poors, and peasants.
This is NOT corruption and Mr. Trump did NOT BRIBE the judge as you are suggesting. The judge is honorable and just and made the announcement out of his own good graces. He even pushed back a flight on his new private jet for a trip he had planned for the christening of his new yacht JUST TO MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. You people are all just jealous and desperately looking to find some dirt where there clearly isn’t. SAD!
Got me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Either people don’t like your sarcasm or they don’t get it, you might want to put a /s on that.
No, then it would ruin it. /s is fucking annoying.
I like you.
/s
It’s full amount to stop the state from beginning to seize assets yes, but his appeal can continue either way. I thought I read/heard that the appellate court did not have the power to do anything with judgements though, other than upheld/overturned. Now I have something to research.
He’s still on the hook for the full amount if his appeal fails, he just no longer has to put it all up to start the appeal.
He’s still on the hook for the full amount if his appeal fails
You know how long appeals can take right? Considering he can now get someone else to pay the relatively small bond, I could die from old age before this moron ever has to pay a dime of his own money.
Believe me, I’m not saying this is a good thing. He’s definitely getting special treatment, and I think that’s wrong. However, it’s not quite as bad as it sounds.
Sure, but if he doesn’t put it up at the beginning, why does anyone think he’ll pay up if he loses? He’ll just keep delaying, as he’s done all along with all of these cases. And if he wins the election, it’ll all go away anyway, which is the “all in” gamble his while life is basically riding on.
Well, if he loses, the DA can seize assets. He doesn’t have to voluntarily pay up, lol.
And in the meantime, he can devalue and divest while building a political warchest. Deny, deflect, delay. He will not face consequences because there is no justice in America.
devalue and divest while building a political warchest
What does that even mean? Don’t be a doomer. Every day he spends in court is less time and money spent on campaigning. Right now he has drained $50 million from Republican election funds to fight this, plus all the time and effort. That’s less time and money spent on supporting downballot Republicans.
Even if he won every case (which won’t happen) this is a distraction for him. Biden hasn’t even started campaigning, and has a massive amount of funding. Trump will lose and every doomer will say “well of course he lost, he was in court half the time! Biden got lucky!”.
Devalue: assets have only theoretical value until they are sold. You can borrow against that theoretical value, but the more you borrow, the less equity you have. Separate from using it as collateral for a loan, the value of an asset can drop for a variety of reasons. Real Estate can fall to disrepair. Stocks can fall due to lowered expectations for the future. If you end up owing more than it’s worth, there’s little incentive not to allow the value to completely evaporate. You can also use the loss to offset capital gains elsewhere, but that’s not particularly relevant here.
Divest: means to sell off assets, with the indication that the sale is at a loss for quick sale. Rich people often engage in the sale of assets to friends, family, and associates who offer pennies on the dollar in exchange for favors. Hiding assets through divestitures is a common tactic for wealthy people who are about to owe a lot of money.
Engaging in both can be used to transfer funds from his personal holdings to his political campaign, which in turn is paying off his legal debts and can be returned to his own pockets after the election. So by increasing the warchest, he is more likely to win the election AND can make himself whole after it is over.
He will not face consequences because there is no justice in America.
Trump will die outside of any prison or jailhouse, having never been locked up, likely without even an ankle bracelet, of natural causes, while living a 1% lifestyle. Mark my words.
Honestly at this point, fuck it I just want the fucker dead. At least cholesterol doesn’t care about politics, go team cholesterol
Let’s hope that’s this week. I’ll settle for being done with this nightmare.
I agree with your sentiment. Just FYI the appeal was ruled on by a 5 judge panel, not just 1 judge.
Yes you are right, I didn’t see that at first. That does kind of change things a bit, still a bit weird IMO.
From the article:
Monday’s ruling came from a five-judge panel
So maybe they had to split the 20 million?
I fully understand how people become radicalized now.
Yeah. NY will hold you without trial for three years on suspicion of stealing a backpack. But defraud the state of millions in taxes for years and there are zero consequences.
One of us one of us
You wanna join a radical and poorly regulated militia?
Never in the history of mankind has conservatism been stopped by pacifism. The plague of conservatism can only be cured through action.
He’s going to take every single Republican controlled state in the general. They’ll just announce that he won despite what the polls say and if it gets to SCOTUS they’ll pull another Bush v. Gore.
RIP American democracy.
This is exactly what is about to happen.
This is objectively and verifiably false. Recommend you cool your jets a smidgen, the darkest hour is just before the dawn.
You sound just like the articles early in Trump’s presidency, furiously hand waving away his fascist tendencies with similarly meaningless platitudes.
If this is verifiably false, I’d love any verification you might provide.
Never in the history of mankind has conservatism been stopped by pacifism.
- American Civil Rights Movement
- Indian Independence from Britain
- Singing Revolution in the Baltics
- Arab Spring
There are tons more examples but the point is that I only need one because your statement was so broadly inflammatory.
I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but to claim that violence is the only way to make societal progress makes you seem intentionally obtuse.
You’ve got to be kidding.
American Civil Rights Movement…
MLK was murdered by conservatives. He tried peaceful resistance before admitting it was ineffective. Peaceful resistance famously did not work. It’s amazing to me that you would try to cite this notorious failure of peaceful resistance as some kind of success story. It honestly just comes off racist with today’s conservative rhetoric that racism no longer exists.
Indian Independence from Britain…
Again, Ghandi was murdered by conservatives. Indefinite detentions were enacted and countless Indians were tortured to death by conservatives. Peace did not work in gaining independence from Britain. Unending mass-resistance that caused the deaths of many innocent Indians led to it just not being worth it for Britain.
Singing Revolution in the Baltics…
Only Estonia earned independence through peaceful protest. And that was due to a great deal of support by western nations, and a lack of trying to stop it by the Soviets. Estonia was not being actively oppressed, they just wanted independence. But when Latvia and Lithuania tried the same approach, violence WAS necessary in the form of riots, and deadly barricades. Numerous unarmed citizens of both countries were killed in violent resistance that eventually led to agreements for their independence. And again, the Soviets were barely motivated to stop it. Active conservative oppression was not a motivating factor here for these countries. Simple independence to pursue their own prosperity was the goal.
Arab Spring…
Really? Really?! You’re not even trying on this one. This is an absurdity on its face. Innocent people are being oppressed by conservatives in the middle east in record numbers today and no one on earth thinks any differently. Why would you even try this one?
Obvious troll comment is obvious.
Why am I only mildly surprised?
The thing people forget, half of NY’s “real estate moguls” probably commit the same fraud, perhaps to a lesser extent and Broke Don was just caught with his pants down. But those business folk are of course whispering everywhere that this ruling could bankrupt NYs real estate market…
I do find it rather strange how it is worded “an appeals court has decided” … so is this ANOTHER appeals court that is meddling with the court case of the original court and the upcoming appeals court? Or are/will these be the same folks who will decide on the coming appeal case? If the latter I will start assuming they’ll throw the judgement out on a technicality (“the business in question is now located in Florida so there is no jurisdiction in NY” Or something lame like that)
Also it is unclear to me what their decision is based on, if the law states that on appeal a bond for the full amount needs to be met, how can they lower it just like that? Especially since Broke Don claims to swim in Billions of dollars… I can see the REASONING of wanting to lower it but I would think the law does not give leeway on it.
I could only think of just allowing a seizure of the assets but blocking them from sale while the appeal goes up, that seems a lot fairer than what they did here.
Frankly I am stunned how more and more explicit the justice system is openly breaking the US laws just to keep Broke Don in the saddle… is there anyone who can really stop them doing that?
Meanwhile I will not be surprised if the appeal for this case, and others will just get delay stacked on delay until well beyond the elections, probably stuffing it all in 2025. This under the feared and silent assumption the dictator from day 1 will have his Golden Throne from which he will excrete his decrees of revenge under his claimed full authority, impunity and immunity.
The law doesn’t matter, it doesn’t enforce itself.
The judges wanted it lowered for reasons, and so they lowered it.
The entire system is a lot more about people than most want to admit. The magic words on a page somewhere only exist to serve those in power, never to force them to do something they don’t want to do.
Well shit, what the fuck am I supposed to do with all this popcorn?
