The only violence I condone is eating the rich.
And here I thought I’d come in and struggle to convince people it wasn’t just conservatives itching for a new civil war.
Conservatives are itching to commit violence against women, minorities, and political opposition.
Leftists recognize that medical debt, unaffordable food and rent, climate change, etc. are already forms of violence we’re being subjected to as part of permanent class warfare.
They are not the same.
If the blue collar conservatives would only figure out the rich do not have there best interests at heart there wouldn’t be a war. This is class warfare but most just don’t realize it yet.
Two of the two most effective ways to control a large group is to give a group (or group) to fear, then convince them that the group/s is coming to take what they have.
Throw getting them to feel superior to said group/s as a bonus. And bam you have total control…
Oh no, the country founded by 1%ers who don’t want to pat taxes, and built on I disk burial grounds, is full of crazy violent assholes?
I’m shocked!
We aren’t Russia (yet), so we must keep trying to facilitate the change we so desperately need.
Imo. That would be switching away from first past the post voting in favor of an alternative voting system like Ranked Choice.
You STILL think voting and working within the system will fix this problem?
a wise man once said the only solution more dignified than war, is communication.
That doesn’t work against a highly organized system of oppression. That wise man never got a seat of power to abdicate itself through reason or begging.
which is why it’s the first thing you do. And why war is the last thing you do.
So here we are. 40 years later.
you forgot the part where it doesnt work.
Every step forward has been through violence. It has worked every time. All of our rights came through acts of violence. Asking for them has never, ever , ever worked.
I must admit that executing the entire Trump base would improve the US immeasurably.
you are correct, that would be an immeasurable stat. That is in fact true.
If we mean the 1%ers? Yeah violence would start solving that issue.
Every one of those people imagines the violence happening to groups they don’t like, and not to them and the groups they like. Always remember, both sides thought the civil war would be over in one battle.
Yup, they also think their handguns are a match for the US military.
Someone should ask them how fighting an advanced military is working out for Hamas right now.
You making any assumptions on which side the military will choose, or that it won’t have an internal rift?
Which is why the violence won’t be conducted with handguns, but with guillotines.
I mean the Afghani and Vietnamese probably have a different answer. Also Hamas is still alive.
“Guerilla warfare is ineffective and governments have never fallen to their own people ever”. You. That’s what you sound like.
When is the last time a modern advanced country fell to a group of it’s own population?
I’ll wait…
Anything is possible, its just EXTREMELY unlikely. Just look at WWI and WWII, Resistance groups. Closest would be maybe IRA but they never got close.
And the US government has unprecedented spying powers now. The power disparity orders of magnitudes too great. But you keep spouting your “armed insurrection” nonsense to make yourself feel better.
If the US falls it’ll be to Trump or someone like him gaining power. Read up on how Hitler took over Germany. History repeats itself…
It’s easy to be smug when you have the memory of a fly i guess.
Good bye smooth brain
Anyone who believes this should be put in a thunderdome and the rest of us can pay to watch
That one in five are violent radical fascists, and the other four are weak leftist pussies waiting to be slaughtered.
You had better fucking arm up and train.
I think some low level violence would make people more polite. Workers should be able to slap crazy customers and such.
That figure is probably higher if we talk about gutting rich people. We might even get unity on that instead of divisiveness. I get a MAGA republican in the same room as a democrat and we start talking about wasting rich people, they often start acting like friends.
I’m hoping we can realize who our common enemies are so that we don’t get into a civil war.
I feel bad for conservatives. In the, odds are stacked against you, kind of way.
They Would rather hand over their country to billionaires than share it.
They Would rather vote to give socialism and more hand overs to those billionaires, while destroying the middle class which actually made america great. They are Destroying the American Dream they claim to be Saving.
Actually fuck them conservatives. Easy to fool idiots helping Russia and China and Saudi Arabia.
Which conservatives are these again? The fascists that want to have no government or the fascists that want control ceded to foreigners?
That’s about how much of the population of the USA voted for Trump.
Violence meaning guillotines
Unironically yes, sufficient levels of violence will solve US divisions.
Anyone that thinks that they genuinely want this though has never lived in a country going through a civil war.
Or they lack a shred of empathy and/or imagination.
I’ve never lived in a country going through civil war, but I don’t have to do that to tell you that it’s not something I want ever.
I agree. “Sufficient” is a lot more than people would ever want to see
If anything happens it won’t be a civil war. There is no good geological line to use as a point to start. It will be much more akin to the Troubles of Northern Ireland. Which may be honestly worse.
The biggest difference would be that there isn’t an outside country that could or would step in. The US military would probably end up being divided, as many of the upper officers take oaths of loyalty to the country and constitution seriously, while a number of the enlisted people are much more partisan.
We’re already seeing the beginnings of low-level terrorism, with threats of assassination against judges and other gov’t officials. Mostly–almost exclusively–from the political right. It’s not much of a step from there to actual violence.
Yeah, the ammo box is literally the fourth box of democracy after the soap box, the ballot box, and the jury box, but it’s only to be used when the other three have failed
At the end of the day, might makes right, so we better make damn well sure the side we believe in has more of it
Ah yes, we can see in Libya how well this worked out
They’re going to force us to fight them again, aren’t they.
I’ve been saying it for years, war is coming. Best get prepared
When somebody tells you who they are it’s best you believe them.
They’ve been telling us who they are for decades, and who they are is the unburied remnant of the Confederacy coming back for round 2, because Grant didn’t let Sherman finish the job.
And they already have all the guns they need. This is why gun ownership is growing fastest among Black people, Latinos, and Trans people. I remember this when any gun control ideas come up, because anything you’re trying to ban is already in the hands of most of the fascists. I’m fine with gun control, but not poorly implimented restrictions that mostly effect the populations trying to defend themselves. The most dangerous people bought their guns decades ago. They’ll pass them down to their kids too.
I tell all of my liberal friends that it doesn’t matter whether they approve of the practice or not. Own guns or don’t, idc, but you better take some classes in how to use them.
In a country with more guns that people refusing to learn how they work is irresponsible. Knowing how they work and gun safety, and how to make a gun safe, is necessery otherwise in any situation with guns you have all the context that deer has on an interstate. We can do better we can learn and give ourselves the information necessary to make the best available decisions.
absolutely, now if only a certain sect of the population, who has a significant distaste towards liberals, would actually fucking educate them about this shit, because it’s literally a right governed by our fucking constitution, and i better not catch you parroting this shit as a constitutional right, while ACTIVELY BREAKING IT.
I’m not against liberals picking up a few guns and gun related skills, but the wars of the present and near future will be fought with drones.
Perhaps, but there is no replacement for boots on the ground.
For some, the war already started.
12% of dems and 28% of republicans… that says something
To be fair, the question was “do you think violence is necessary for the US to get back on track”
Make America Great Again is the Republican line, so of course the poll is going to lean this way.
It’s built into the slogan. “The grass is always greener” doesn’t have the same ring to it.
So if the questions had been “do you think violence is necessary for hope and change” more dems would have said ‘yes’?
lol
Pretty clear the operative phrase was do you think violence is necessary.
I would have said yes to “is violence necessary” because in some situations it is, but I would have not even been able to answer the question as asked, or I would have said no, because I don’t agree with what they are saying violence is necessary for. The context is important, and flavored how people answered the question.
My comment was for people who understand that polling can be biased based on how you word the question.
“Do you think violence is necessary” is how the poll is being reported on, but that is not what was asked.
You think this phrasing was biased against republicans. I offered an equivalent phrasing that would be similarly biased against dems.
Do you think more dems would have responded positively to political violence if it was just phrased a little differently?
Who knows! Maybe?
lol- I think you know.
Cool!
Lol, why even make a poll? next time we have a question we can ask you
Unironically yeah it changes the answers a LOT. There are entire sections of sociology dealing with much smaller polling biases.
What’s another phrasing that you think would be equivalently biased against dems?
I’m genuinely unsure of what you mean by “against” here-- are you implying the original phrasing biased Republican answers towards or against violence, and do you consider that to be a good or bad thing?
To answer your question though, I believe phrases that could influence Democrats to vote yes could be “Do you think violence is necessary to combat hatred” or as was suggested earlier “Do you think violence is necessary for hope and change”. Basically anything that ties violence to their desired values or outcomes.
I’m genuinely unsure of what you mean by “against” here-- are you implying the original phrasing biased Republican answers towards or against violence, and do you consider that to be a good or bad thing?
Maybe read back up the chain if you’re this lost.
or as was suggested earlier “Do you think violence is necessary for hope and change”. Basically anything that ties violence to their desired values or outcomes.
I’d love to see that poll ;)
Maybe read back up the chain if you’re this lost.
Fuck off
I’d love to see that poll ;)
If I make one I’ll send it in this community and you’ll get to see me proven right. Unfortunately you’ll be blocked so I won’t see your response.
Congrats. That’s probably the dumbest attempt to grasp at straws I’ve seen all day.
I’m looking at what the polling question actually is. Liberals, kinda by definition, don’t want the country to “get back on track” or return to a period of former greatness.
I would agree we’re pretty far off the track. Remember when the biggest scandals were presidential blowies and tan suits?
How about Watergate? There have always been scandals.
Or on another note, how about when presidential blowies were a scandal, gay people couldn’t even get married? The appeal to an idealized past is a conservative thing.
I’m not saying turn back the clock, I just want politics to stop being so… I mean marjorie taylor greene exists, for fucks sake.
Also let’s be real, Watergate is tame in 2024. Hell, PRISM wasn’t even as big as Watergate and it was 100x worse.
The liberals I know think it’s pretty off track. Specifically, it fell off the rails when Trump got elected.
The track switch probably was thrown back in the 2000 election. We all hoped President Obama was gonna get us back on track.
MAGA wants to revert the us to some racist 1950s version. Violence is basically required to achieve that vision.
Liberals want to put the US back on track to equality, human rights and a secure future (see SCOTUS, for example of how off track the US is). We just don’t think violence is a good way to do take.
I guess I wasn’t thinking about it that way, that “on track” could be that Democrats are imagining there was a time when liberal ideals were being actively worked towards. I don’t think that’s really true, but I now see that someone could think that way.
So, are you a foreign operative, fascist or tankie?
There’s no way educated native English speakers could be as far off in either reading comprehension, or understanding of US politics, as you are.
Half these comments read like the Reddit PsyOps campaigns of 2016, and the vote counts indicate the same.
lmao you’re the one who doesn’t understand how language is used to manipulate polling and headlines
What a stupid question.
Undoubtedly, violence would solve America’s divisions- but is it the best way to do so? The real questions are, how long would that take, who would ultimately be the losers, and would it even be “America” when it all ends?
violence
The favorite action of the, Make America Go Away, crowd.
Spreading Managed Democracy, one liberation round at a time!
How would it solve divisions? Wouldn’t it just heighten them?
Basically, one side believes that they should be allowed to kill anyone who disagrees with them, and the other side believes in the “excise the tumor” approach (use force now to remove the militant extremists and fascists to prevent their proganda from radicalizing more people and making the problem worse).
Both would technically be correct just by reducing the population of one side or the other, I guess. Can’t disagree if you’re dead.
It worked during the French Revolution, and now they have some of the strongest labor rights in the world.
There has been quite some history between the revolution and the current labor rights… specifically five changes in political system including four republics and two empires. The first republic was probably less ideal than you imagine.
That’s because commoners were united against elites. Roughly half of us are convinced the elites would love to give the rest of us more of their wealth if only big daddy government would relax those pesky taxes and regulations. Oh, and that every bad thing that happens is because we don’t pray in schools.
The Congressional Republicans and their Fox News swallowing ilk, who have all decided they love Russia so much, should simply move there.
