Edit: There’s a lot of people in the comment section who clearly didn’t read the article so let me clarify that no, this is not about Judge Aileen Cannon. Read. The. Damn. Article.
I still can’t believe that all the rural redneck idiots are willing to start a Civil War for a failed corrupt New York City businessman, who represents everything they don’t stand for in the name of creating a fascist dictatorship and stripping away all of your rights so that the rich people can continue to fuck you in the ass.
Most of them think the war will turn the economic tides and somehow turn their rural towns into utopian areas where all the wealth from the cities is funneled into their shitty towns. They want the status and earning of being an engineer, doctor, or lawyer without trying or educating themselves.
What is sad is all conservatives are willing to kill us, our children, and everything we worked for for this ideal and for a corrupt, failed New York businessman that sells military secrets to our enemies.
I’m not convinced he sells secrets. I’m pretty sure he gives them away because poo tin tells him it’s in their best interests.
What’s ironic is that it’s the liberal-eating-local-buy-local-equality-socialist types that are are subsidizing their ability to live in that small rural town at all.
County State Aid roads, clean water infrastructure, education, business development grants, farm grants… All of that is paid for by big city taxes, which typically (not always… Looking at you Ft. Worth…) lean liberal. In my state one rural community received tax funding at a rate of 480% compare to what they paid in, where as the city center reviebes about 60% of the taxes they pay.
Farm-to-table? Anti-trust regulations? Farm subsidies? The USDA rural development? All paid for in large part by taxes, most of which come from city centers.
And yet exactly what you said - they want liberal big cities gone. They see them as a plight upon the land.
It’s crazy.
That part seems to elude these small towns. The end of the big cities mean the end of their way of life. They would all starve to death in a few months, and have pretty much nothing to offer the entire world.
The real thing they love about him is that “we” hate him and with their support they think they can annoy us and “get back” at us for whatever they think we did to them. And they aren’t wrong, people who hate Trump have a very hard time just ignoring the Trolls, me included.
Bro, it’s not even surprising at this point.
It’s the “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” principle.
Who cares what they believe, it matters exactly 0% what they believe, just that they’re willing to kill you over it.
They bring the barbarianism, we send the military. Unless the famously Republican-leading military decides to betray the country too (and given the hubbub around UAPs and their response, I wouldn’t give more than 50/50 odds) in which case you never had a chance in the first place.
I have Maga relatives, who have giddily spoken to me about finally getting to “blast the damn libs”. I’m one of the people they are happily speaking about shooting down. Yeeeeesh
“There will be a civil war!” - Somebody definitely not prepared to fight in any kind of war.
They’re prepared to fight, they just haven’t thought it through. Which is why they’re prepared to fight. Doesn’t stop them from the terror attacks they’ll commit before they’re killed or locked up.
But they have a couple of guns and a pickup truck and a vest with pockets and hunting boots and camo pants?? Some even have night vision scopes!!! The US military won’t stand a chance.
Translation: the few nutty enough to put plans to action will commit cowardly terrorist acts that make magats even more detested. Just because fascist asshats couldn’t settle for being overrepresented.
Just what we need… another civil war… bleh.
It’ll just be a half assed January 6th thing again. If there was a “real” civil war, both sides of the political divide would be fighing each other more than the actual current government. It would probably just devolve into terrorists blowing each other up all the time in more of a gang warfare thing.
Yay! We get to rename the drink “Irish Car Bomb” to “MAGA Tantrum”. At least something good came out of all this.
MAGA tantrum is a shot of cheap bourbon dropped into a glass of Budweiser
PBR…Maga thinks bud tastes like the gays now.
They’d know better than me what gays taste like
All to the sultry sounds of Kid Rock
There won’t be a civil war unless\until the prospect of a civil war starts to look profitable to the .1%.
Used to agree with that, now it’s a maybe. The US elite created the seeds of MAGA and the christian right back in the days of Reagan, and they’ve fully lost control of it, Trump has at least some measure of control on the group, but I feel it’s only because he’s pretending to do what they want.
Just as with the actual US revolution, the movement was started by the 1% for their own interests. Which they gaslit and orchestrated for their own gain until they lost control of it.
For the uninitiated: they started riots to pressure lawmakers to not pass a new tax on them, not the working class, and new laws preventing them from defrauding London based banks with what amounts to wire fraud by regular mail by creating shell companies in different colonies, getting loans for exploration and land use, and then closing the “company” and repeating.in a different colony.
Fascinated to learn more about that, if you have any good resources. That’s not the typical framing we get in our US high school level interpretation of events.
I would highly recommend “Crucible of War” by Fred Anderson. It’s a bit dry at first, but picks up.
Very briefly, it’s about the lead up to the seven years war(aka French-Indian war), the war itself, the post-war and lead up to the revolution. The author states that he feels you can’t look at the revolution as its own thing without all of the pieces that led to it.
I have no doubt gaggles of these goons will start some shit here and there, but a Civil War would mean the US military has either fractured or someone raised a domestic army capable of fighting the US military, which is so crazy I don’t even know why I mentioned it.
You have to remember the ‘state-of-the-art’ of war in 1861 was that men, munitions, and information moved at the maximum speed of a train, but more likely horse. And the distance between the most technologically advanced weapons available and a farmer’s rifle was within an order of magnitude of technological progress. Today the distance between civilian and military communications, field intelligence, and weaponry might as well be from another star system. And before anyone references past insurgent success against modern US military- they didn’t get their weapons at WalMart- they’re supplied by other national militaries. A Civil War starting with a civilian uprisings just isn’t a military possibility.
And I really don’t see any scenario by which the US military starts fighting itself. I’d be curious what scenarios others think might lead to that but I just don’t see anything on the table that could make a US military commander accept an order to attack other US military assets. I think something like a military coup would be far more likely than a civil war at this point.
A modern civil war will not be fought on battle fields. That shit was pointless and stupid in the first civil war (which is a large reason why the South lost, they wanted glorious battles, and the north just burned cities)
No, a modern civil war will look like the mess in Syria or Haiti. It will be disorganized, chaotic, and there will be far too much pointless bloodshed, with no battle lines. Just a bunch of assholes killing people who they disagree with.
Exactly. Anyone who starts a Civil War in the US, unless it’s the US military itself, is going to lose. This rhetoric just puts targets on the backs of these Nazis, and that’s a good thing. None of the absolute shit they spew will fair well for them and society has been and will continue to (rightly) ostracize them.
I look forward to the day the Guinness book of world record for the largest human dung pile is awarded to the massive mile high pile of shit that will undoubtedly accumulate over Donald Trump’s grave and his entire family is nothing but a distant memory of a pathetic attempt at an American oligarchy.
Fuck Trump, fuck his family, fuck his supporters, fuck anyone who ever benefited even one iota from his policies. I’d personally forego the Pearly Gates of Heaven and choose Hell if it meant I got to watch him burn for eternity. That is preferable, that is Heaven to me.
Agreed but Telegraph was definitely a thing during the civil war, so information could move at lightning speed.
True- I’ve usually made the point about technological distance between civilian and military when people bring up ‘Revolution’ so I had to kind of adapt it for the US Civil war to include trains and forgot about telegraphs.
Kind of crazy to think the Revolution and Civil War were about as far apart as the Civil War and WWII, but then think about the difference between the advancements in military technology between each.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
Foreign powers seem to have as much sway in the USA Today as the rich did decades ago.
Spoiler alert
This is one of the dumbest things about conservatives in the US … we’re going to start a civil war - for Trump.
I could agree to many political arguments about rebelling against your own government but to say you want to start a civil war to defend a completely morally bankrupt individual that has absolutely no care for you at all has got to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever had the opportunity to see and hear.
This is what happens when you handle traitors with kid gloves.
- Naturally tanned from volunteering outdoors helping the less fortunate.
Yep. And yet, here we are.
The inescapable conclusion is that a lot of people are just really really dumb, and these dummies being armed to the teeth leaves me with very little hope for humanity. Of course, these god fearing fat dummies will be no match for any real army, let alone the US army, enough of these idiots serve in said army to cause a shit storm at the least.
Best that we can hope for now is trump insulting his sugar daddy and then accidentally stumbling out of a window
And because of this, you can accurately gauge their intelligence
Not really that different from Southern poor people marching to war on behalf of a relative handful of wealthy land owners.
MAGAs are being swindled and don’t know it.
If you tell them they are being swindled, with proof, they won’t believe it and take it out on you instead for suggesting it.
They’d rather be ignorant than be proven wrong. This is also why phone/computer scammers keep going after the same people. The victims never want to believe they were duped until it’s too late.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
I love that quote. We need more Sagan’s and fewer Rogans.
Humanity has been victim to that for thousands of years in the form of world religions
I believe this is from Carl Sagan’s book The Demon Haunted World. A fantastic read, and one I recommend to anyone who will listen.
Til: to bamboozle is a real verb
Sunk cost fallacy is real and MAGA is all in on their shitty investment of tearing the system down, repressive policies and generalized white & hetero supremacy
They’re not being conned, they’re in on the con. Notice how there is nothing consistently rational about the messaging. The issues they’re concerned about and what they say they want done about them all change daily. But they all point in one direction.
They’ve identified themselves as the in-group, they’ve identified the out-groups, and they want to stomp all over thoae out-groups and take everything they’ve got. Their money, their dignity, their lives. Whatever proves that they’re on top.
Remember the second part of that LBJ quote:
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
They know the consequences and they’re willing to risk it. Calling them idiots does not prepare us to deal with the situation in which we find ourselves now.
Absolutely this. Trump doesn’t need a coherent message. He’s whipped people into a frenzy with the help of a media empire designed to do exactly that, and no matter what he says or does his voters stick with him because no matter what else he does while in office he’ll let them hurt the people he’s made them afraid of. It doesn’t matter what he wants to do, they know that if he gets elected they’ll get to do what they want to do, which is establish a state that kills anyone who makes them uncomfortable. They’re not stupid. No one involved in this is stupid. They’re evil and they need to be stopped if we hope to survive.
And Putin and Xi laugh all thr way to the bank. Well maybe not putin he’s a little busy
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark TwainThat’s a phenomenal quote
Mark Twain was a phenomenal American. Everyone should read his books and writings.
I have my complaints about America but there are great things about the country … and Mark Twain is one of them.
I have read a couple. It was many years ago. But I do remember a few gems.
“The entrenchment of a person’s belief is directly proportional to how wrong it is.”
– Me
See, this doesn’t work as a truism because the "wrongness” or immorality is typically just a common coincidence taken advantage of by conmen (like Trump and other demagogues).
It would be more accurate to say, “The enrichment of a person’s belief is often directly proportional to how self-serving it is.”
Christianity provides a good example of this: believe in Jesus, and all of one’s sins are forgiven, basically writing a person a blank check to be a monster for their whole life, knowing that they’ll be forgiven when they die because “Jesus will forgive me.”
This is what my mother believes and why my entire family refuses to ever speak to her again.
My sympathies to you and your family … I have a handful of people like that in my family but not to that extreme … they half heartedly believe in a bunch of evangelical bullshit but then aren’t smart enough or fundamental enough to debate anyone about it.
I’m Indigenous Canadian and I grew up with a traditional land based mindset … my parents were Catholic but our belief system is heavily influenced by our old traditional ideas about the land, animals, and life in general. We didn’t need a book, a preacher or a big giant expensive church with men in dresses to tell us that we need to be good to people, definitely don’t kill anyone for any reason, treat everyone with kindness, don’t destroy the environment and every bad thing you do will eventually come back to haunt you or your descendants. We aren’t perfect either … but at least we don’t loudly proclaim how wrong we are.
Amazing that people think being forgiven of sins is a free pass to make more sins, when the reality is, being forgiven requires that you make your best effort to do good and not sin again on purpose.
People that sin on purpose because they assume to be forgiven… well, they won’t.
Is that explicitly stated in the Bible someplace? Because I don’t think it is. The part about Jesus always forgiving no matter what, however, is. It’s also widely taught.
It is true that the forgiveness covers it all, but, if you claim to be a follower of God (and by extent, Jesus), you must behave to his standards. Standards such as “return evil for evil to no one”, “love (kindness) your enemy and those persecuting you” (with examples of treating your enemies with deceny and respect as you would and should your neighbor), and so on. Include “he who lives by the sword shall perish by it” as a warning to those that feel the need to be fighters, vigilantes, and so on. Replace sword with gun for a more modern interpretation.
the dumbest thing I’ve ever had the opportunity to see and hear.
After fifty years on this planet I can only tell you the bar keeps getting raised, but it’s not always the bars we might wish.
An old one that’s gonna be dead probably before the war would end anyways lol.
Against who?
If it’s against the government, then it’s a coup d’état.
See how well that’s working out for the January 6 crowd.Ever wonder why they phrase it “take back our country”? It’s not a coup in their eyes.
And that’s the thing, they don’t want a civil war with the government, they want a civil war with ‘liberals’. They can’t control government the way they want to so they instead want to eliminate the people who vote differently than they do.
So presumably they need people to shoot at, all standing in a field with bugles and drummers. Short of that what are they going to do? Knock on random doors and ask if liberals live there? Will groups of them drive up to New York and pick a neighborhood to start canvassing? Where do they marshal their troops and where do they march to? How does this work at the low level?
Ah yes, I forgot. It’s all horseshit.
How it works at the low level is they assume they know what a “liberal” looks and acts like, and they try to kill them. Civilian, combatant, doesn’t matter. We’ve already seen this, multiple times, all over the US. You assume an organized army, don’t.
While some of the big players might like to act like a regular military force, a LOT of this will just be sporadic, random violence as John GOP finally realizes he can use the War Against Liberalism as a cover to get rid of his neighbor, or his boss, or Karen in HR or whatever.
Whom
Cannon says “no” to the defense for the first time this trial and they turn on her immediately
what a bunch of traitorous snowflakes
Cannon says “no” to the defense for the first time and they turn on her immediately.
Wanna know how I know you didn’t read the article?
Or even the headline. It clearly says Georgia.
Lol yeah, but that I can be a little more forgiving about. It can be hard to keep track of which case is being handled in which area. But had they read the article, they’d see the judge mentioned by name in the first sentence and it’s not Aileen Cannon.
Also, if those people could read they’d realize the only reason she said no right now, is she wants to allow that argument to be used as a defense during the trial, where she can then acquit him herself and give Jack Smith no chance to appeal. She only said that the argument couldn’t be used to dismiss the charges before the trial starts. If she did say yes to Trump’s request right now, Smith could appeal and a higher court would slap her down in a second for this blatantly incorrect interpretation of the law, and cut off Cannon’s plan to acquit Trump of all charges during the trial. She is bending over backwards to not rule on anything before the trial, so nothing can be appealed beforehand, and then get to the trial stage when her dumb shit will be effectively unappealable. Everything in her recent order is still to Trump’s benefit.
Neither you nor the person you’re replying to read the article. If you did you’d know this isn’t about Judge Aileen Cannon.
I know it’s not directly related to the article. I assumed the person I was replying too was bringing up judge Cannon, because unlike this judge or pretty much any other judge Trump has been before (who they and their family members have been getting constant death threats and harrasment, often from Trump himself) they’ve been lavishing praise on her. Kind of ironic they turned on her as well just yesterday after her order when she’s still doing her best to put the fix in for Trump. Trump even had to put out a tweet to remind people that judge cannon is great.
This is not about Florida though. Cannon is the Florida classified documents case.
I know… it’s hard to keep track with all the trials:
- Florida classified documents
- Stormy Daniels hush money
- New York civil fraud (found liable & pending appeal if his paperwork and bonds clear)
- Georgia election interference (what this is about; the perfect call)
- EG Carrol defamation civil trial (liable & pending appeal).
I probably forgot some…
Cmon man at least make sure it’s the right case if you’re not going to read the article
Let’s get on with it! I’m still waiting for the AR-15 waving morons on mobility scooters getting mowed down.
the AR-15 waving morons on mobility scooters
Oh, the Chairborne Rangers? Or is it Meal Team Six? Or the Gravy Seals? Of course, we also know the Talibangelicals, Walmartyrs, the Yeehawdists and the Oaf Keepers. But there are also the Q Cucks Clan, Cupcake Commandos, Vanilla Isis and Midlife Isis, but don’t forget the Green Beignets, Waffle SS, 1st Chairborne, KFC-9, Special Farces and Snack Ops.
As you can see, they are a very diverse [all-white] group of [seriously hungry] patriots!
You forgot the Special Chair Service.
If you mean more traitors will go to prison and be removed from the voter pool, neat!
It sounds like they mean to remove themselves from the gene pool as well! I’m all for it
Well, if it’s a repeat of 1/6, I think there was only 1 death (of the traitors, not total), but hundreds of prison sentences. That’s what I was referencing.
There will be no “civil war” until republicans win again.
Cops are gonna cop either way (so do nothing other than find the nearest brown kid they can beat on until The Public gets mad enough that they have to act). Even a bunch of untrained gravy seals with ar-15s are going to leave the cops shitting themselves and crying while they play gacha games on their phones. It is the military (mostly National Guard) who are going to matter.
And Jan 6 already showed how that plays out. They are going to do whatever they are ordered to. So if the POTUS is actively trying to murder the VPOTUS and the president pro tem and so forth? Doesn’t matter because the person they report to is telling them to not act or, after seeing Jan 6 “fail”, to impose martial law to protect the country.
If anyone who actually cares about the country is in power (so… Democrats and a very small subset of third parties)? We roll up on the gravy seals with a few drones that drop tear gas and we are done. If it is the republicans? It won’t be a “civil war” so much as a series of lynchings.
Can you imagine if the Jan 6er’s had to go longer than say what, 12 hours? These pastey white middle aged men would be wrapping it up to goto waffle house as soon as the sun went down.
There was a chorus of “DUHRURDHUDRHDUHDUHRU URRR DHUEHRDHRUHDHDHDHRUHUDHRUDHURHUD!!” outside of the court room.
Commenter Michale Darwin wrote, “Look at the judge’s body language. Anyone can see that that judge hates Trump’s guts. Or that judge has taken some sort of a bribe,”
They are so fucking delusional.
“tHerE wiLL bE a ciViL wAr…”
Sure Jan
Sounds a lot like a threat to me.
Civil war isn’t going to go the way they think it will, but the problem with these morons is they could lose a civil war and walk away convinced they won.
Wouldn’t be the first time…
