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The Vatican on Monday declared gender-affirming surgery and surrogacy as grave violations of human dignity, putting them on par with abortion and euthanasia as practices that reject God’s plan for human life.
The Vatican’s doctrine office issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration that has been in the works for five years. After substantial revision in recent months, it was approved March 25 by Pope Francis, who ordered its publication.
In its most eagerly anticipated section, the Vatican repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed. It said God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and said people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”
“It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception,” the document said.
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God is dead, popey boi, keep your culty ideas to yourself
This is barely news; the headline might as well be ‘Hate group hates’. But jeez, I giggled at the start of the fourth paragraph with, “In its most eagerly anticipated section…” Even among Christians, even among very-very-Christians, is there anyone who “eagerly anticipates” the Vatican’s declarations of doctrine?
“Organization that has repeatedly violated human dignity by organizationally exploiting children for sexual purposes (when not outright abusing and murdering them for being the wrong color), and brutally oppressing those who it declares carrying the sin of “wrong think”, thinks its allowed to have an actual opinion on the very concept of human dignity, much less what adult individuals pursue to obtain their image of it”
A man who claims he talks to a great sky wizard says the wizard doesn’t like it when you do something that incidentally, he also does not like. He says he’s very sorry but these are the rules, and the great sky wizard will be very cross with you if you don’t follow them.
He says you’ll be burned alive for eternity and deserve it if you seek out appropriate care for psychological issues. Wait no that can’t be right can it?
So glad they’re only blasting it and not slamming it.
Diderot said “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest”. About time , if you ask me.
Fuck Pope Francis. Love that he said “no its okay to do genital surgery on babies (literally less than 2 years old) if they don’t match what we decided was right for them”. Intersex people can just go fuck themselves in the Pope’s view I guess.
0 fucking consistency to any of their bullshit rhetoric. I think God’s core message is actually to shut the fuck up and let medical professionals address people’s health problems.
GRS literally saved my life. I would literally be dead if not for it. Transitioning allowed me to live a happy, fulfilled life. Anyone who tries to say that I shouldn’t have been able to transition, or should be forced to detransition, is unironically literally saying that I should be fucking dead. No part of me is a man. If God existed, then me as I am today was always his plan and design for me. Because otherwise he’s just a fucking asshole who literally created me just to suffer and die. If such a God existed I would have no qualms openly defying his creation, because no human being should be driven to suicide over something that real medical treatments exist for.
Glad you are now happy with yourself. Indeed, how should anyone but yourself tell you who you are?
Adults of sound mind should have the right to do to their body what they wish for whatever reason they wish. It’s nobody else’s business. But we can’t expect most ingrained religions or conservatives to accept this.
Perhaps, then, we shouldn’t accept conservatives or their religions.
The problem is that millions of people think that the Pope has a direct line to their god and if the Pope says being trans is in violation of their god’s plan, they’re not going to be good to trans people and some religious trans people, especially the ones who aren’t out, will be driven further into the closet due to the self-hate.
The whole idea of a high pontiff is pretty terrifying. Look at the Crusades. How many people were killed because the Pope said to go kill them and people following him did what he ordered? There’s well over a billion Catholics. If the Pope said to rise up and kill and even 1% of them followed him, the bloodbath would be enormous.
Prior to that people also used to attempt it on their own dying miserably in their way to Jerusalem. What they did was just giving a political form to a preexisting movement.
Organized religion was a huge scam. Like our own bodies, it should be something personal or to show off at a dedicated club.
The definition of what a gender entails should be vast enough that people don’t feel the need to reaffirm it with drastic medical intervention with major health risks.
Let the men wear skirts and the women go topless.
Yeah, I’m not sure that you understand what trans people experience. The core issue, at least for a number of people, is not about wearing a particular article of clothing or not, it’s that your body is wrong. That doesn’t even get into matters of neurochemistry; T is awful for many trans women and E for trans men. Telling people it’s okay to wear a skirt or go topless isn’t going to help with that - for trans masc people, going without a binder would be significantly worse. Medical intervention is merited in cases where people want medical intervention. If someone wants medical intervention, and the research shows that said intervention is the best treatment for people who want such intervention, why would we not want to give said person said intervention?
Not holding my breath, but I’d love to see a day when religious leaders run out of followers.
You know what really violates human dignity? Being raped by a priest and then having the church cover it up.
Yeah, the Vatican threatens my unique dignity. It is so declared.
Aight, I’ve read through the article from The Guardian about it (Vatican calls gender fluidity and surrogacy threats to human dignity) and there are multiple layers of hypocrisy here, which I am not willing to sit through for how many of them are in these statement. It seems to me that the core of the problem is the insistent will to protect at all costs the biological side of thr gender regradless of the true self, which is what we call properly gender.
I’m no expert but I think systemically raping kids and assisting those perpetrators is a slightly worse violation of human dignity
people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”
How fortunate it is that every single one of is sins and can all be forgiven, so we can just leave worrying about all that up to God, right? Right?
Or some shit. I’m an atheist, but I understand the myth better than most believers. Not that it matters because there is no logic or consistency anywhere in the doctrine, so why assume there is any in this edict?
god made light so why aren’t light bulbs playing god?
There is sin and there are sins. One that can be forgiven, others that are not likely to…now switching gender isn’t on this list, and since there are animals thar do it on their own, I’d feel good about it. Also cursing the man isn’t a hige deal - but don’t do it - compared to cursing the Spirit. You want to live life accordingly, these comandements are probably the one christian way. By the way, the book of Exodus has many more rules which you can’t follow today, such as the burnt offerings. You’d break the law ny doing that in a normal place now. So do the other books of Moses. Have you carried a stick (read: working) on the seventh day? That’s also bad.
Modern society is by no means biblical and cannot afford to do so.
can we just blow up the vatican
Violence is not the answer to this level of zealously and hate. They will just squeeze their ignorant followers for money to rebuild bigger and more extravagant than before. You have to hurt them by making them a non-issue. Vote for political candidates and laws that remove religion from politics.
A heist at the Vatican is my best chance at being able to afford retirement at this point, I’d appreciate if one of the more ethical options to steal from isn’t destroyed before I can get to it.
Can I be your tech expert who disables the alarms? Or at least the distraction?
You’re in. Now we’ve just got to make sure we get into the right vault and not one that’s just full of the “relics” of body parts from dead saints.
That doesn’t sound fair to Italy. I am sure Italy has enough issues without random debris raining down on her.
Welp, turns out they’re still the same old Catholic Church after all. Whoda thunk it? 🙄
