something something alabama, something something, it’s now tennessee.
Tennessee has done a lot to outdo Florida as a shitshow lately.
I can’t tell what you mean by that.
Are you talking about them trying to outlaw it or about them trying to stop it being outlawed?
Everything I read about them is awful and backwards.
Alabama got the monopoly now
Honestly, it’s not that big a deal unless it happens for multiple generations. There is enough genetic difference between first cousins for it to not count as inbreeding.
I would recommend against it if there is a significant risk of genetic diseases being passed down, but that’s true even for any two random people.
Honestly, if it’s consensual I don’t care just let women have control of their own bodies and keep their damn religion out of government. They can have cousin-fucking just leave minorities and LGBTQ+ alone.
Wtf dude lmao.
These guys REALLY want to fuck close family lmao.
They sure do! Just like all those hillbilly cousin-fuckers in California, Connecticut, Colorado, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont. Buncha backwoods hicks, wouldn’t you agree?
If those states allow first cousin marrying then yeah, that’s cousin fucker states.
Most of the world doesn’t live in the states man, did you think naming other states was going to offend people? You guys and all your weird hillbilly sex stuff need to get your shit together man. It’s embarrassing to see.
You read any classic novels from England? Marrying cousins is quite normal at one point in human history. I guess it still is in some backward states.
It’s not just England. Marrying cousins was considered common practice among royalty and nobles in the past, not “normal” for everyday people.
They would inbreed to try to keep blood “pure”, or to keep the family in power, or to sell off their family for power. People knew a long time ago this was bad and caused health problems, but the rich kept doing it because theyre egoistical maniacs.
We don’t have monarchs and royalty anymore, we can do away with inbreeding completely. The fact some conservatives still defend it is ridiculous.
It’s legal in most of the world, including most of Europe. I don’t think legality is necessarily the greatest guide for how often it actually happens or social attitudes towards it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage
There’s a map in there too of prevalence though and United States isn’t anywhere close to the most prevelant, it’s extremely rare. What’s going on down in Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Belgium though?
Holy crap, am I reading this right? In Pakistan, more than 50% of marriages are between cousins??
Yeah I actually knew that one from when I used to listen to Joe Rogan and Gavin Mcinnes was on there. He’s a fucking goof but that fact was disturbing
That chart technically includes second degree cousins and any closer relations. So if you don’t count second degree cousins it might be less. But yeah there’s a tradition of parellel cousin marriage especially in parts of the middle east, north Africa, and south Asia.
Ya know, there’s definitely some towns where I’m from that have shallow gene pools, not gonna lie. But I live in Alberta, we’re sometimes the Texas of Canada, and sometimes the Alabama.
Alabertex
Yeah. Pretty much everything south of Calgary and north of Edmonton is Alabama. I’ve lived in every city in the province, and worked in a lot of the towns. It’s pretty crazy in some of the towns here man.
Oops. Made a Cousin-fucker mad!
I’m from Alabama. This shit happens.
What’s your point?
We’re literally saying it makws no sense that this ban would get pushback. The fact so many other states allow it just makes the point.
Americans are weird when it comes to cousins…
The point is to call out stereotypes.
When the fuck did we start being pro stereotype?
This is another big fight that I remember us being in the middle of right now.
Why does it matter who’s fucking who?
Aren’t we in the middle of a big ass motherfucking fight for people to be able to be with who they want to be with, minus adults and children?
Inbreeding
To prevent abuse, and to limit the chances of children being born with serious medical problems they will have to suffer with for the rest of their life.
Risk of genetic defects from cousins is very small, on par with a woman giving birth over age 30.
And “to prevent abuse”? We already have lots of laws to address that.
Stop telling people who they’re allowed to sleep with.
dude, stop trying to fuck your cousin. it’s not cool.
And it’s not your business, or the government’s business.
Besides, not my fault you got uggo cousins
Except it’s actually illegal and all of those places, and has been for a long time.
No it’s legal in those places, the down voted person is right about that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_law_in_the_United_States
Convenient map here.
No they are clearly just into Crusader kings roleplay. The worst family title I ever saw in CK3 was cousin grandfather father brother husband.
“Is there a public health issue with a male marrying a male first cousin? Obviously, I think the answer is no,” Bulso said, adding the enhanced risk for birth defects would also not be present for women who marry their first cousin. “A female and a female cannot conceive a child.”
Guy has a valid point about the justification given for the bill, not to mention that not every couple that gets married will be having biological children between them. Not just limited to gay couples, infertile people and people who choose not to have kids get married too.
I’m good with socially discouraging cousins who grew up together getting married, but legal restrictions based on flawed logic is not a good idea.
What about extended family members that you’ve never met in your entire life? Obviously procreation is still insanely gross here and we should outlaw it, but like you said not all relations between a heterosexual couple lead to children.
If your family doesn’t have a history of consanguination then first cousins marrying every few generations is no big deal, genetically. You share about 5% of your genes with any random first cousin, compared to 2.5% with any random stranger. You should still seek generic counseling, you never know what secrets you might find
Good job living up to stereotypes, Tennessee.
I dunno. Cousin fucking sounds like a liberal thing to me. Leaving out conservative states, it’s legal in: California, Connecticut, Colorado, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont.
That is what you meant, right? (No. It wasn’t.)
^ This dude wants to fuck his cousin so fucking badly.
It’s called projection, Lunchbox. You doing a whole theaters worth right now lmao.
Who cares?
Watch it, you can’t use logic or reason on these people.
Watch it, you can’t use logic or reason on these people.
Oh go back to Twitter, Ben Shapiro.
I rest my case.
Yeah brother all those liberal politicians defending child marriage too
You are completely devoid of both logic and reason
We’re not talking about child marriage.
The bill as amended by Rep. Gino Bulso, R-Brentwood, would prohibit first-cousin marriage unless the parties to the marriage contract received counseling from a genetic counselor licensed by the board of medical examiners. Bulso argued during a House floor session on Thursday the bill – as written – could violate the Obergefell v. Hodges U.S. Supreme Court decision, which made same-sex marriage legal across the country.
Bulso, while explaining his reasoning, said the bill was introduced as a public health-related matter, adding the law needed to be passed to prevent cousins from getting married and conceiving a child that could have an increased risk for birth defects. Bulso argued two men who are first cousins could get married without the risk of conceiving a child with birth defects.
This is just another bigoted conservative with an agenda. He’s using this no-brainer anti-cousin-fucking law to push anti-LGBTQ rhetoric. Gino Bulso was a lawyer for just shy of 40 years before joining the Tennessee House of Reps in 2022. He knows this isn’t a reasonable argument and he doesn’t care. He’s just trying to attack Obergefell v. Hodges. He’s basically saying “See what *the gays* are making me vote against?! I don’t want to allow cousin-fucking but Obergefell v. Hodges says we have to! Trust me, I’m a lawyer!”
Or - mind blowing possibility - maybe you’re bigoted against cousin marriage like the people you hate are bigoted against gay marriage.
The risk of genetic defects is extremely small. People don’t like it because it’s icky, which is not logically consistent. People used to think interracial marriage was icky.
Let people do what they want.
Found the guy with the hot cousin.
If your first response to a valid point is to attack the other person, then you’re worse than anything inbreeding might produce.
Is there a Mrs. The-Hills-Have-Eyes?
TWO hot cousins, thank you very much
But my point is still correct.
I hope for your sake that Tennessee doesn’t outlaw polygamy as well then.
Too late, they both got married to other people and are very happy😔
i am truley sorry for your lots
Found the guy with no coherent counterargument.
Wanna introduce me to your cousin or is she spoken for?
Yeah, I don’t get it, personally. I’m really not a fan of governments telling people who they can fall in love with. You’d think there’s more important issues to deal with.
I mean, I know people who’s parents are cousins. It’s literally a non-issue I couldn’t give less of a fuck since they all seem happy. It’s none of my, or the government’s, business.
That said, it is weird, the lack of logic that goes on around this issue. It’s simply wrong because it’s wrong so it’s therefore good for the government to make laws prohibiting it.
He’s a Tennessee Republican so I’m sure he’s terrible. But you don’t think there is a legal argument of a law being overly broad that restricts the rights of same sex couples where the legislative history shows it was based on increased risk of genetic mutations in pregnancy?
Maybe (probably) he’s saying it to beat on LGBTQ people, but a broken clock and all that.
Maybe (probably) he’s saying it to beat on LGBTQ people, but a broken clock and all that.
I am not willing to give republicans the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their invocations of Obergefell v. Hodges to defend cousin-fucking. If you’d like to that’s your prerogative. But doing so is completely unearned on their part and suggests naivety on yours.
I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt. Blatant homophobe or no, it’s a valid legal argument that hasn’t been tested in court.
Does that mean i have to fight my cousin before i can marry them?
I know everyone is like “haha cousin fuckers.”
But really, do we want the government to pass laws restricting who we can and cannot marry?
I can’t help but notice the overlap with LGBT rights. I’m pretty sure I’d prefer them to not pass this law.
Like, from a legal and philosophical perspective, why is it OK for the government to restrict this? Why wouldn’t that same argument apply to gay men getting married?
I’ve noticed people on both sides are cool with laws that hurt others.
Ex: We see plenty of pot smokers supporting banning nicotine products.
Liberals aren’t immune to this just like conservatives. Most people are shit :(
nah dude. one thing hurts you and has severe impacts on your health. Inbreeding and lung cancer don’t have “both sides” of an argument. they’re bad.
Can you elaborate a little? Like do you mean that if LGBTQ is accepted, first cousins are meant to be accepted as well?
This isn’t about “acceptance” in the social sense. I’m not saying you have to accept cousin fuckers in your community.
I’m more worried about the legal framework. If it is legal to outlaw this, why is it illegal to outlaw gay marriage? Like, that doesn’t seem ideologically consistent.
Well, we also can’t let communities discriminate like that…you say you’re “not saying you have to accept [them] in your community regardless of legal status” but I’m assuming you don’t feel loke people should be able to chase other types of minorities out of town if they don’t approve. That’s kinda the whole point of law - to set the rules for how we treat each other. I haven’t thought enough about this particular topic to know how I feel about it. I see the state’s interest in reducing incestuous births, and I’m definitely not ok with the state making reproductive choices for people more generally.
What’s really disgusting is that I bet the entire reason they’re even debating this is because they don’t want to allow any exemption from their abortion ban.
I’m intentionally trying to separate the social discrimination problem from the legal problem, and to not make a comment about the former.
I guess I get that the state has an interest in preventing incestuous birth, but marriage is orthogonal sex.
marriage is orthogonal sex>
Rationally speaking, yes. The religious right seem to feel differently.
All the fuckers in here pretending they actually believe “love is love” just so they can use it as a cudgel against the absolute monsters who think incest is wrong.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Go have your bad faith arguments somewhere else.
With issues like misplaced paternity, people should be dna tested before they marry, anyway. Your first cousin might not actually be your first cousin, and the stranger you meet on the street might actually be family. I’m just saying.
It’s legal in Finland. It’s pretty damn rare. I wouldn’t consider it a hugely shocking thing though, cousins usually aren’t very close here. Would make for weird family relations though.
Cousin fuckers: Gino Bulso & Monty Fritts