You will become AI
This is going to end very well :P
gotta use a superior os https://devuan.org
SystemD-less Debian lol what year is this.
Went to their site to see the pitch. “avoiding unnecessary entanglements” lmao this fuckin distro is trying to prevent WWI
We just saw an attempted hack from having the xz library loaded into OpenSSH via libsystemd. Linux kernel and glibc are large enough without adding yet another thing that’s contrary to the Unix philosophy.
I still have systemd on my distro because that isn’t my top priority. I respect the efforts of everyone trying to keep it out and wish them success. Same with every distro trying to use musl.
I completely agree, but I do find the anti-systemd crowd to be more annoying than helpful in most contexts.
^ Calls on someone for not using the superior OS // Proceeds to point people to a pointless, barely maintained and buggy fork of Debian. lol
bruh, idk why i’m getting downvoted to hell but it’s the exact opposite of a pointless unmaintained buggy fork lol.
yeah it’s superior since systemd is inferior if you don’t exactly need it
I was about to tell you that when I made the post I was more joking about it than actually being serious… but then after your systemd comment…
What the hell?!?!?! This is a server OS! It needs to be as light as possible and for the sake of server stability and security, admins carefully choose the installed apps. Microsoft can just install new applications on a whim.
This is fuged up.
Stop resisting!!
Oh they can, as we see
People in this thread seem to be missing this point.
This is windows server, not windows 11. The consequences is not “I’ll have an annoying taskbar icon on my home computer”, this is enterprise level interference that could affect large systems and thousands of users.
Linux Mint isn’t an alternative to windows server.
You’re right ig, in that case grab Debian.
I only SysAdmin on raspbian thank you very much.
Freebsd letsgo
Yeah but Fedora and Debian sure as shit are.
You could install Rocky and be done
Yep. I no longer have to administer Windows servers (everything I do is serverless these days) but I did for many years.
Adding anything to a server without vetting it against policies is a huge no no. Back when I was doing it, a big part of our monthly update deployment was updating the test environment first so we knew we weren’t about to break a bunch of shit for us and our customers. Not just “does this brick Windows server”, but “do our applications still function” (usually yes, but the answer was no on several occasions over shit smaller than this).
I don’t know what adding copilot does. Is it going to accidentally break some custom application by accident because it’s tied directly into the system? Is it going to report shit that I’ve already opted out of due to our data policies and possibly fuck up our audit compliance because of government regulations (defense, medical, and energy sectors have huge responsibilities in that area, just don’t ask how I know)? How does it interact with our in-house developed software?
Fuck, I dunno. That sounds like a nightmare for infrastructure and ops, several managers, government regulators, and a payday for legal.
The thought of administering windows server is vomitous.
Maybe, but it’s still widely used and someone has to do it.
How else would you manage microsoft AD?
There’s alternatives out there, unless you have specific contract obligations.
For sure, if you need paid support (which if you aren’t a tech giant, a fledgling startup, or a system with no need for uptime metrics, you probally do) the you have:
- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (aka SLES and only still Libre option in this category unfortunately)
- Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)
- Ubuntu are
if don’t need paid support then Debian, OpenSuse, Rocky, or Fedora are all good picks.
Almost any Unix can be an alternative for Windows Server. Never understood why it was used, other than tech illiteracy of lowly tech workers who only knew MS stack.
The usual answer to that is “active directory”. It’s not uncommon to have one windows server alongside other Linux servers because of AD.
In addition, with all Microsoft’s faults they had a hell of a small business package for years. In a lot of small businesses, the current CIO came up during those times and dictates policy.
Plus there are a lot of VARs and MSPs who push MS due to favorable terms and kickbacks. Small and medium sized businesses who outsource IT go with whatever they’re told because they don’t have the expertise, time, or desire to explore alternatives.
Plus there’s a load of self hosted software for certain industries that only works on Windows servers.
I am jack’s complete pikachu face
Why is anyone surprised by this??!
There is a truly baffling amount of people who imagine that Microsoft has suddenly turned into a good company.
That’s all true for consumer OS as well
If you have to use Windows Server (or other Windows), install the hellzerg Optimizer
Who exactly is the target audience for this? Home users running Windows server? This would get flagged for sure in an enterprise environment and no self respecting admin would ever install something like that.
Unfortunately these services also open up security issues
Yes I think the better solution is to read your username. It’s hard to argue with Linux and BSDs when it comes to servers.
I agree 100%. Google Cloud platform doesn’t have Windows servers and the cloud providers are simply two small for Microsoft products.
Its hard to beat a Linux server as you can spin one up on prem or in the cloud quickly and it doesn’t have a lot of overhead in most cases.
When the switch to run it on a server is “/unsafe” I think I’ll pass 🤣
Anyway on Windows the Optimizer is an must have app. It is the best to cut M$'s bad habits
Yeeeeah, no enterprise admin would run that… GPOs would do the same with more transparency and no privacy concerns (besides running Windows of course)
That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
No enterprise is going to want to deal with that and realistically they’re the only ones with the pockets to fight that battle. Hope I’m wrong though. Microsoft needs a swift kick in the ass.
If introducing Copilot to server degrades service enough to trigger an SLA upstream, you can absolutely bet lawyers will get involved.
If introducing Copilot to server degrades service enough to trigger an SLA downstream, you can absolutely bet lawyers will get involved.
There’s no need to degrade performance to get a lawsuit, the simple fact of extrading data can get you in a tribunal, especially from customers with high privacy requirements, or with European sovereign clouds certifications
Or if CoPilot starts exfiltrating data to Microsoft so their server farms can ‘analyze’ it.
I’m not heavily involved in the space, but I’m given to understand that MS isn’t very clear about what happens to your data or how it gets used or shared.
Perhaps Microsoft will be smart enough not to allow the general public to query trade secrets or government data that’s been pulled via unwanted copilot integration.
But maybe the ongoing Russian hack of Microsoft will make it irrelevant, because the servers can be accessed directly.
Or perhaps at some distant time, Microsoft will roll out features or technologies developed using an internal version of CoPilot that has access to all data - including proprietary information from competitors.And that’s not even counting what ISP’s will do if they find a way to analyze copilot traffic, or what state actors will do if they can set up MitM attacks for Copilot.
Honestly, I sort of fear the repercussions, but I look forward to the lawsuits.
I thought the Microsoft technologies designed to allow anyone to access your servers were called Exchange and Active Directory.
Exchange allows users to access data and Microsoft services and it comes with good documentation and a whole slew of controls for org admins.
Active Directory provides authentication services, and it is mostly for your internal users (so they can access org services, including Exchange), but it’s very common to allow guests and to federate under certain circumstances, so your AD talks to their AD and external guests can authenticate and use resources that have been shared with them.
It is also well-documented with tight control in the hands of administrators.Copilot is a black box. Their terms of service are vague. Microsoft’s responsible AI website comprises of marketing speak, no details, and the standards guide on the site is mostly questions that amount to “TBD”. Administrative ability to control data sharing is non-existent, not yet developed, or minimal.
We don’t know the scope of data gathered, the retention and handling policies, or where that data/any models built from that data are going to wind up.
My read is that they’re waiting to be sued or legislated before they impose any limits on themselves.Please explain more.
Usually those are the ones all those companies and organizations are using who have their files encrypted by malware.
Yes that’s because pretty much all companies use AD and exchange is also popular (but less so now with exchange online)
Both are also extremely valuable for companies and thus attackers.
Ransomware attacks pretty much always rely on missconfiguration and/or social engineering.
Correlation != Causation.
Now, on the other hand, the number of breaches has gone way up recently. Microsoft has pushed AD and Exchange into the cloud recently. And they just had several instances where keys were stolen and passwords were left in the clear for months after they were notified, as well…
Well we have no solid evidence but it’s certainly within the realm of possibility.
I’m not confident they are authoritative on the matter.
Don’t consider me to be, either, but I have more details in my response to them.
I read their message as a joke that AD was an easy vector for an adversary
If introducing Copilot to server degrades service enough to trigger an SLA upstream, you can absolutely bet lawyers will get involved.
Is “copilot” the new slang for “back door”?
Man… Anybody remember “Back Orifice”? The late nineties were weird.
Ironically I used to use BO for actual system work…. And one time to prank the hell out of my worker by playing sounds remotely.
memories
Man they take me back! Used netbus a bunch in friends
I doubt they need to install something new for a back door
Makes MS seem desperate. Fordicing it down everyones throat and displaying ads in the OS…
At 8kb it’s certainly not an AI model.
More like open windows that were painted to make shutting them almost impossible.
In the spirit of these kinds of changes, I’d love to hear some honest Linux distribution recommendations. I’m leaning towards Ubuntu because it is the most widely advertised and UX focused from my perspective. But I’ve also heard good things about Arch. Any others I should be considering?
I’ll probably not go full Linux any time soon - I want at least one Windows OS to play games on - so whatever option it should be dual-boot friendly.
I would go with Linux Mint if you don’t want to tinker with it much, but Arch will allow you to be in the bleeding edge easily if you install things from the AUR but you could stay in the stable channels as well.
Regarding games, I’m mostly a Single Player kind of guy and basically everything I have tried so far just works if it’s installed from Steam, for others you can use Lutris or Heroic Launcher but tinkering might be needed.
All of this just to say: I use Arch btw. It’s been practically 2 years already since I haven’t boot into Windows for gaming.
Debian stable on servers. Debian testing on the daily driver.
Gives you a rock solid server, that will pull absolutly no suprises.
And your daily driver gives you a playground for what comes in the next upgrade.Linux Server Distros:
- Ubuntu Server = easier but with more bullshit out of the box (eg. snaps)
- Debian Stable = a tad bit harder because it’s cleaner out of the box.
- Fedora Server = clean and easy, documentation may be a bit harder to follow, less community tutorials.
- Arch & others = Just no. You don’t want a rolling release for a server. You want older and thus stable, tested, software and drivers.
If you want a distro for general use:
- Linux Mint = easiest of the bunch, but it has old packages that may not offer the best environment for gaming.
- Fedora Based distros = middle ground between ubuntu based distros like Mint, and rolling release distros like Arch.
- Arch based distros = bleeding edge drivers and packages (for better or worse), best for gaming. Manjaro could work for you, as it is not fully Arch.
- Bazzite OS = It’s an immutable Fedora based distro but with Arch customized to make it work like Steam OS all inside a container. It’s unbreakable, easy to use, and game-ready. Has AMD & NVIDIA images ready to go.
My recommendation is to flash Ventoy on a thumbdrive load it up with all the recommended distros, and proceed to test drive the ones you think might work for you, and only time will tell which one is the best for your specific needs.
If not vanilla Ubuntu, I’d still suggest trying an Ubuntu derivative like Linux Mint or POP! OS. Ubuntu has a huge community, so in the event you run into issues it’ll be easier to find fixes for it.
What you’ll find is that Linux distros are roughly grouped by a “family” (my term for it anyway). Anyone can (theoretically, anyway) start from a given kernel and roll their own distro, but most distros are modified versions of a handful of base distros.
The major families at the moment are
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Debian: A classic all-rounder that prioritizes stability over all else. Ubuntu is descended from Debian.
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Fedora: Another classic all-rounder. I haven’t used it in a decade, so I won’t say much about it here.
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Arch: If Linux nerds were car people, Arch is for the hot rodders. You can tune and control pretty much any aspect of your system. … Not a good 1st distro if you want to just get something going.
There are many others, but these are the major desktop-PC distro families at the moment.
The importance of these families is that techniques that work in one (say) Debian-based distro will tend to work in other Debian-based distros… But not necessarily in distros from other families.
Debian: A classic all-rounder that prioritizes stability over all else. Ubuntu is descended from Debian.
And Zorin. I don’t hear much about it but it’s what I switched to from Win 10 and I’ve been liking it.
That + Steam Proton has me playing my old Windows-only games.
Yup. Zorin’s another great Debian-based distro. I’ve been running it on my laptop for awhile now and I’m a fan.
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Linux Mint. That’s always the answer. It’s lightweight, it’s simple, it’s easy, it does what you need. Even gaming. SomeOrdinaryGamers did a vidso on YT about installing it, it’s pretty easy!
PopOS too. Extremely easy to set up, ready to go.
Are you looking for a Windows, server, replacement or desktop replacement? Your experience will differ depending on which one you’re trying to replace.
Sorry, forgot to specify in the post. But I’m looking for a desktop replacement. We thankfully don’t use Windows Server anywhere at the moment.
Oh, in that case you have a much easier job ahead of you, haha.
All of our Linux servers are running Ubuntu, except the FreeIPA system that runs a Redhat derivative.
The most important answer seems to be missing:
You don’t need to do any distro hopping or even care. Unless you picked a dead one or need something really obscure. They all have the same things and you can install anything on anything. Mostly. Difference is who’s doing your installer and packaging and security and how.
You can, if you want to. And live systems are handy. Try what your like. Learn to change what you don’t. All the tools and docs people have are out there for you and tens of thousands of people are busy making more.
In the spirit of these kinds of changes, I’d love to hear some honest Linux distribution recommendations. I’m leaning towards Ubuntu because it is the most widely advertised and UX focused from my perspective. But I’ve also heard good things about Arch. Any others I should be considering?
Depends on your needs and preferences. If you want an easy Linux distribution Linux Mint is a good choice. Arch Linux is indeed good but default Arch is not that suitable for new Linux users unless you’re willing to read documentation. You can go for Garuda or EndeavourOS to have Arch with easy installers and GUI.
I would top off with this advise: don’t stress too much about the first distro you pick. It will likely not be the right for you anyway. You don’t know what you like yet…
You’ll learn a lot about Linux along the way and eventually you know what you like and don’t like, therefore choosing the right distro for you at your second attempt.
That being said, I don’t recommend Arch Linux for the first timers haha
If you want something a little more fresh, I’d maybe avoid Arch as your first go and try openSUSE Tumbleweed. It strikes a balance between bleeding edge and stable (they call it “leading edge” I believe). Everything is tested before release and isn’t too stale like Ubuntu/Debian flavors. I personally like KDE for the desktop environment but the installer lets you choose.
If you want to stick with Ubuntu or something similar, I’d recommend Linux Mint. I used it before switching to openSUSE.
Most options should be dual boot friendly but I’d recommend installing Windows first to avoid bootloader issues.
Personally I think a new user will actually have an easier time with Arch, because when they inevitably do need to look up help, it’s much easier to find relevant forum posts (not to mention the excellent wiki) for Arch then openSUSE. Their documentation is good, don’t get me wrong, but they have a far smaller community. I also found the package ecosystem more confusing than most – the package manager is very powerful, but at the cost of intuitive functioning.
Don’t move to Arch. It’s a great distro don’t get me wrong but it’s not for someone who isn’t quite familiar with Linux. You need to choose every package on your system and configure it all… Give yourself some time to know Linux.
Ubuntu is a great distro with a great out of box experience. The company behind it though has been making some choices I don’t much care for so I’ve moved away from them. (They created a pretty crappy new packaging system, then started making the old, reliable packaging system use the new one without user consent)
OpenSuSe Tumbleweed is a great option. It has sane defaults, and nice versions of KDE and GNOME (two popular types of desktop environments, I’d recommend KDE if you’re new to Linux - it’s closer to the desktop philosophy you’re used to. GNOME is great too but it’s very opinionated and non-traditional, not for everyone.) It’s also a “rolling release” distro, which means there’s no big releases it just gets updated over time and provides you with very up to date packages. It’s known to be quite stable which is unusual for a rolling-release distro (like Arch, for example).
Fedora is also a great choice - just follow a guide on how to get some media codecs on it (Fedora is big on not including software that isn’t 100% open, but it’s easy to add the few things you’ll need). But it provides a great package manager, great KDE and GNOME versions, and all around very sane and stable. This is a traditional release distro with new versions every 6 months. You’ll still get security and minor software updates between releases.
Whatever you choose, I think you’d be very surprised at what you CAN play under Linux with no problem. Outside of a few games (mostly due to anti-cheat which unfortunately rules out some - but not all - of the more popular multiplayer competitive games) there’s really not much that doesn’t run on Linux already nowadays.
You do not need to “configure every package on your system” with Arch lol, that sounds more like NixOS. Arch is a totally fine distro for a new user who’s willing to read a bit of documentation now and then.
For a distro that just works, Linux Mint.
Probably avoid Arch if you don’t know what your doing and are unfamiliar with the risks.
Are you looking for a server OS or a desktop consumer OS?
You’ve heard good things about arch solely because you’re on Lemmy. Using arch means you’ll be dedicating about 50% of your working time towards tinkering and making it fucking work, which is fun don’t get me wrong- unless you have actual work to do.
Ubuntu is solid but a little sluggish, I’m personally an advocate for Mint as far as something you can drop a windows users in and they’ll generally figure it out.
Seems like the general consensus in this section is Mint, so I’ll give that a look over for sure
Mint is a good recommendation. I’ve used it for most of a decade because I just want my system to work.
I main Mint. Less annoying Ubuntu. Better user experience IMHO.
Your opinion about Arch is outdated at best. I run Arch, and I don’t think I needed to do any tinkering in the last few months. For first time Arch users, I’ll recommend them to just use EndeavourOS. I have it on my laptop, and it’s basically Arch, but with a hassle free installation process.
Same for me, installed arch with archinstall, it installed faster than windows does, and I haven’t had to modify anything or tinker with anything. Even Steam games work out of the box with compatibility mode
Manjaro is an okay middle ground. It’s got the benefits of Arch but a bit more stability. It still breaks, but maybe once a year. I get work done on it.
Manjaro fell out of popularity a few years ago – in addition to some drama with the handling of community donations, they do some weird stuff like hold back all Arch package updates by 2 weeks for “additional stability”… But really it’s just an extra 2 weeks where you don’t get potentially critical security updates. I also think the way they handle the AUR is reckless and leads new users to install unstable or poorly maintained packages without realizing it
It’s still a viable distro, but generally I think Garuda beats it in every category: still based on Arch with a focus on gaming, but without the useless delay or the other issues that Manjaro has.
The AUR was disabled by default on my install. I use flatpak for a lot of stuff so I’m probably pretty up to date with my most used programs. Where did you hear about this community donation scandal?
All the petty downvotes makes me think Lemmy has become a bit too much like Reddit. The whole “downvote everyone’s opinion that isn’t my opinion” is pathetic.
I don’t really care about what’s popular. With all my installed programs I use to get shit done, I can’t distro hop every other month like some people.
Did you try googling Manjaro community donation scandal because it’s pretty easy to find… Here’s the first of many articles I found https://linuxreviews.org/Manjaro_Linux_Lead_Developer_In_Hot_Waters_Over_Donation_Slush_Fund_For_Laptop_And_Personal_Items
Garuda does everything Manjaro does but better.
I don’t get this. For each of my devices running arch, the only tinkering I’ve encountered were for nitpicky customizations I wanted, which I have to do on another distro. After the arch installation completes it’s given me a fully functional desktop
if you don’t install the wrong packages or skip a step in the installation lmao
🤦♂️ of course! I forgot to install it wrong lol
50%?? Been daily driving for over a year and system maintenance is nowhere near the levels it’s hyped up to be. Every once in a while the update requires manual intervention which can be solved by reading the email arch sends out before any of these atypical situations (register to be on the mailing list). Other system set up tinkering is well documented in the arch wiki.
Anyone interested in playing games on Linux should be exploring a rolling release distro even if for nothing more than access to updated GPU drivers as soon as they come out.
Don’t forget the utiltiy of the AUR.
That’s a big exaggeration. Is Ubuntu a better choice for a newb? Yes. Do some people gravitate toward Arch because of the freedom in tinkering it offers? Also yes. But Arch has had simple graphical installers for years now, not to mention the wraparound distros like Endeavour that bundle extra software for a more complete OOTB setup. Arch is a viable choice for a new Linux user and really doesn’t require tinkering for a working setup.
EndeavorOS might also be a good option, from what I’ve heard. It’s Arch based, but easier to install and use. I recently switched to Garuda, also Arch based, but focused more on the gaming community.
Given that this is in a thread about Microsoft Server, I’d recommend using Debian as the distribution to replace Microsoft Server.
If you want a desktop, I’d start with a LiveCD version and familiarise yourself with the various available distributions in offer.
The intent of a LiveCD is essentially to boot into Linux without modifying your hard-disk and keeping your existing OS unchanged.
I’ll note that many of these images are available for DVD or USB. Some will offer a mechanism to store data on your existing drive without wiping anything.
With USB drives being fast and cheap, you can also often use a LiveCD to install onto an external drive.
Finally, you can install a virtual machine on your computer and use it to run your Linux tests.
I wouldn’t recommend arch as a first distro imo. I don’t see what the advantage would be for a newbie.
Personally I would recommend Fedora.
Most people recommended Mint so far. What sorts of things do you like about Fedora?
Like Ubuntu, I like that Fedora is backed by a big company. Fedora is quite good at pushing the Linux ecosystem forward and often adopts and pushes new technology before other distros (flatpaks, Wayland, pipewire, btrfs etc.) that all Linux distros eventually benefit from.
Ubuntu on the other hands seems to want to be the Microsoft of Linux… which is not a compliment. I’ve been put off by things like their pushing of snap packages.
I personally like the stock gnome (on a laptop) or kde (on a desktop) desktops over the cinnamon mint desktop (but mint is closer to windows). Fedora is pretty close to stock (gnome by default).
Fedora has great flatpak integration for installing apps (think App Store) which is my preferred way to do it. Mint has this as well.
Fedora also has semi rolling releases and constant updates, which I prefer over Linux Mint’s 2 year release cycles (this doesn’t matter for any software you install from flatpaks).
What do people think about Rocky Linux for servers?
Red Hat burned all the bridges when they pulled the rug on CentOS. I admire and commend the open source community on Rocky but they still depend on Red Hat source code, which has been apparently harder and harder to grab.
I’d rather move to Debian, thank you very much. Which we have and went very smoothly. Only a couple of servers left!
“Dual boot friendly” means installing Linux on its own hard drive, just so you know. If you don’t do that, it’s likely the next Windows update will screw up the Linux bootloader. Maybe that’s gotten better, but it’s what I’d recommended from past experience.
Install Steam’s Proton and just run whatever windows games you want*, no more need to dual boot.
*unless they have kernel-level anticheat and isn’t Linux compatible
But it’s only 8KB.
I can’t believe people use this shit.
Its cloud based, great
Thats a load of bullshit. The icon is probably more than that.
My comment was sarcastic, but I guess I need to start using /s here as on reddit.
I can’t believe people use this shit.
What’s your suggestion for a HIPAA validated EHR or PM system that runs on *Nix or WS without DE installed? Do you have one?
I think you responded to the wrong comment.
Anyway, if you need it to run on a server, I don’t see why you’d need a DE. If you’re talking about the client, I don’t see why you’d need to run it on a server OS without a DE.
how could it be installed on a 2022 server if copilot launched in 2023?
It’s a making scheme like windows 95, 98, & 2k. They don’t call it Windows 11 server.
running copilot on a 95 or 98 server would make even less sense
We’ll do it on punch cards for the lulz.
Windows server 2022 gets updates
TRUE ACTUALLY
The install size is just 8KB. Could it just be a link to open Edge?
I did see another report that it’s just a component in Edge. Unfortunately I don’t have that link handy right now.
The icon itself is probably more than 8kb. It’s either incorrect or literally just a desktop URL shortcut
I don’t even see a link. Though I guess I should look inside Microsoft Edge.
Edit: I cannot find anyway to get to it in either the desktop or Edge. I do not have a signed in Microsoft account on this machine, so that may be why I don’t see it. I’m not willing to sign in to see.
Fuck I just set up a Windows Server 2022, because Space Engineers Dedicated Server is officially supported under Windows only.
You could try running it in wine
Get rid of that crap, I and I’m not talking about Copilot.
Why are people installing Server 2022 with a GUI even?
This seems like a case of “people using Windows Server as a desktop get desktop features in an update”. Yawn.
Because not all people use cli for everything.
Because techs I work with are used to a gui, so it’s either get bad help I can direct or no help. And I don’t want to do everything myself.
Why are people installing Server 2022 with a GUI even?
There are server apps that require Windows with the DE.
There are too many windows server apps that require a DE
I’d say a good number of them
Why not? It’s always convenient to have if you need to quickly fix or troubleshoot something.
But yes generally servers aren’t accessed graphically.
The only self hosted NVR software I could find for my parents that has an accompanying phone app doesn’t have a Linux version: it’s Windows-only and the desktop GUI is required to set it up
I personally use Motion and Home Assistant at home, but I wouldn’t set up the same for other non-techies, IMO no point making yourself tech support where it isn’t necessary
You don’t need Windows Server for that. Windows 10/11 would serve that need.
Yepp I know - my preference leaned towards the server edition as it doesn’t include the unnecessary UWP apps installed with Win10/11, and has a much lighter footprint in comparison, resulting in less resource usage overall.
If these were Windows 7 or Windows XP days, a professional edition install would have sufficed for me tbh… but with all the Metro UI and additional telemetry in Windows editions after 8, it doesn’t seem worth the hassle.
When I need to log in and fix something now I really wouldn’t want to stare at a “please wait, we’re upgrading your apps” because some UWP update occured, or have the telemetry service gobble up idle CPU
Look into the LTSC version on Win10.
It doesn’t contain UWP apps and stays on a stable version for years like Server OSs.
It’s like $130 for an upgrade license for it, or you can just run it without a license and the only downside is the watermark (that you can easily remove).
I have Server 2022 with a GUI installed on my laptop because it lets me use all the server features, play Windows games that use DRM and not spend time messing around with getting linux to run on a laptop. I have Linux on the laptop, but running inside VMs.
I still don’t want copilot installed. I can confirm it is installed on my Windows Server 2022 laptop. I don’t see any entry points on the desktop or start menu. I haven’t checked Edge yet.
I wonder if copilot is released to all update channels or if it is only on a subset?
Why wouldn’t you install it with a GUI? If you want a normal server use Linux.
As a student and programmer, I just installed debian few years ago and never thought about why I did that and why I haven’t returned to windows. For advance and light users linux is amazing with all these web based applications.
