I would not say both sides are the same, but this a bullshit oversimplification. The dems are not some ray of sunshine who have only made this country better.
Clinton repealled the Glass-Steagal act, which led to the 2008 crash, Obama’s unconditional bailouts of financial institutions and ultra-low interest rates and subsequent hyperfinancialization of the Economy, the current house prices bubbles, an explosion in inequality, and an even further collapse of social mobility in the US.
To say that he doubled-down on Reagan’s work is an underestimation.
Sure, it’s all a bit obscure for those who weren’t in Finance during the period around 2008, but that doesn’t make it any less so.
(And lets not forget his wife’s later “got paid million dollar for a speech to a room full of financiers” that helped her loose to none other than Donald Trump)
The idea that almost all those Democrats in that list didn’t do “More money for the rich” is hilarious.
Also as an European in a country with a National Health Service, celebrating Obama’s version of “Universal Healthcare” is “you’re fucking kidding me”-level insulting.
That stuff is some Narnia-level Eyes Hard Closed level of tribalist self-delusion.
Obama’s unconditional bailouts? You mean TARP? The thing signed by GW Bush 3 months before Obama’s inauguration? Seems like maybe you got some of them there obscurity issues you were going on about.
I was right in the middle of the Investment Banking Industry back at the time and paid close attention to all the details about how the entire thing was conducted and the kind of market interventions going on, rather than just eat up the high level bullshit fed to pre-convinced members of that specific political tribe who don’t know how the business works …
I actually had a pretty good opinion of Obama up until I saw who he put there conduction the bailouts, how they were conducted, how the pain was distributed, how the market was intervened in and which economic strata were saved with whose money.
TARP doesn’t even amount to a tip of an iceberg.
That’s a giant load of revisionist history
The alternative explanation is that you’re a commited member of this specific political tribe and just have to defended those you see as your chiefs no matter what, even if lacking an actual argument.
This alternative explanation perfectly explains the absence of even a shred of an actual counter argument in your post.
Infrastructure was done under every president but Trump and is normal functioning governance.
Corporate subsidy and monopolization of EV market
Corporate subsidy for MIC
Not actually loan Reform, college is more expensive than ever
Drug pricing might be the only novel and just good thing going on this list. But it’s certainly not stacking up to ACA and Zero Deficit Budgeting.
Yet another bad faith meme trying to make Biden look more friendly to the average American than he is.
In other news today we found out he never meant for Palestine to have it’s own state. That was all lies. We know this because the cables leaked showing the US trying their damnedest to get other countries to vote against Palestinian Statehood. This couldn’t possibly be a distraction from that, right guys?
And yet people’s lives haven’t improved much, if at all, in quite some time. The war machine is also still marching forward; we spend billions on things that don’t actually improve the lives of the average person. Both sides of the aisle are bought and you can’t just ignore that. With all of that said, I’m still voting for Biden, but only because I’m forced to due to how unbelievably fucked our system is.
Sure seems like bOtH SiDeZ have started blatantly lying for their propoganda, and are trying their damnedest to villify the other by pretending that they are perfect. If you’re demanding unquestioning loyalty, you’re a fascist regardless of your label.
I remember with each Presidential change, that when a Republican president came into power, they had a budget surplus, created by their democratic predecessor, which they then squandered, and when it was tome to switch to a democratic president, they got a deficit, and managed to work theyr way out of it. Each time, fox would comment on how these Democrat presidents always had a deficit. It was, and continues to be, maddening.
Require news organizations to be truthful again, fuck that “but much first amendment” bullshit, one has nothing to do with the other
Require news organizations to be truthful again,
Faux News has stated in court that they are not a “news organization”, they are “entertainment”.
That sounds like an admission to false advertising to me
We have a store called Best Buy.
It’s the same in the UK. Within 15 minutes of the Tories finally (hopefully) losing power in the next election they’ll be gesturing to the shit state of things, that they themselves caused, and saying “Look at how the Labour government has ruined this country!”
I find it funny how tories were like “This is the best the economy has been in five years! Look at us go!!” Okay, and who was in government 5 years ago?
I’m convinced that Lemmy is riddled with Russian bot farms trying to stir up shit. I’m mostly democrat and believe Biden is a net good over Trump, but I won’t delude myself into thinking they care about me personally. How-fucking-ever, Trump is a literal threat to our democracy and if we can’t rally against him by rallying for Biden, we’re absolutely fucked. And you morons are just giving into this extreme lefty rhetoric because of people like Hasan? That mother fucker is a millionaire and lives like one too.
Lemmy is a worse echo chamber than reddit. I was proud when I came here during the API-bullshit and supported Sync for Lemmy but I can’t do this shit any more. I’m actually embarrassed to come here and read all this anti Biden shit while you guys complain about roe v wade being overturned, billionaires (which trump made the biggest tax cuts in history to), Israel (which is somehow Biden’s fault? 🤣).
I believe this post, OP. Whether you’re trolling or not. Everyone else can go fuck yourselves. Go ahead and ban this one too, mods. Since we’re not living in an echo chamber.
Lowering admission standards is not helping the country, is dumbing it down.
Dawg you cant be serious. They both want more money for rich people 💀
Clinton is one of the worst. The party went, can’t beat 'em, might as well join em.
Clinton essentially fulfilled some of the great Republican dreams of deregulation. See Glass-Stegall how he joined hands with Republicans. Which you can then fast forward to the banking and financial crisis that hit the world and screwed economies and brought austerity programs worldwide.
Dare ya to read up on all the congressional stock trading from not just Repubs but very much Dems as well.
The party went fully corporate with Clinton.
Is anyone buying these lib propaganda memes? Carter is the one the screwed over the economy.
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Carter, who was President for 4 Years Screwed up the economy by liberalizing the housing market
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Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush Sr, who ran the White House for 20 years had nothing to do with it
Please nobody ask what inflation was like between 1968 and 1992
Yeah, it’s probably better to go back to a lot of FDRs policies.
Or the bipartisan effort to keep house prices by any means necessary. Such as by giving everyone who a fairly low interest home loan , which directly led to 2008.
by giving everyone who a fairly low interest home loan , which directly led to 2008.
You think 2008 was the result of low interest rates?
No, guaranteed loans. If everyone can get a loan interest loan, it doesn’t really matter to them if a house costs $200,000 or $400,000 spread out across 30 years. So home prices just continue to inflate. The loan interest rates and guaranteed loans are the reason prices got so high in the first place, the collapse of this scheme by flying too close to the sun with repealing Glass-Steagal is what lit the fuse in 2008. But they’ve got their plan back on track now.
No, guaranteed loans.
A necessity in a society whose economy operates via credit expansion.
it doesn’t really matter to them if a house costs $200,000 or $400,000 spread out across 30 years
If you’ve ever had to pay a mortgage note, you’ll discover that it matters substantively. The real benefit of the 30 year note isn’t the scale but the fixed interest rate. Once you find a house you can afford, rising rates of pay relative to a fixed rate of interest means the real house note costs decrease over time.
The loan interest rates and guaranteed loans are the reason prices got so high in the first place
Prices for housing vary substantively by region and by density. Housing prices in neighborhoods with low rates of development continued to be cheap well into the early 2000s. Housing prices in the suburbs and exurbs - particularly for new builds - are consistently cheaper than in the urban centers where real estate is scarce.
If you check out the Austin, TX real estate market during the Carter to Clinton period, housing was incredibly cheap and abundant. It wasn’t until the construction boom in the mid-00s that prices began to climb, and the rate of climb outpaced most of the continental US well into the Trump/Biden era. That had nothing to do with “guaranteed loans” under Carter and everything to do with Austin developers quickly maxing out available real estate development area easily accessible from the freeways. Same thing happened in DC and Virginia, after Amazon moved in. Housing speculation boomed, completely apart from individual credit.
You can see the reverse in Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois, where the collapse of the auto industry made real estate incredibly cheap. Also in Florida, abet on a much tighter timeline.
And the major driver behind all of these price fluctuations has been private equity investment in residential real estate
This has nothing to do with Carter and everything to do with three men by the names Gramm, Leech, and Biley.
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Lol, lib propaganda, ok Trumper
Is anyone buying these right wing trolls pretending to be leftists?
Yeah libs keep trying to pretend to be leftists, its annoying.
Liberals you mean?
Everyone who disagrees with Stalin is a liberal.
Saving Democracy
Biden was responsible for removing the democratically elected prime minister in Pakistan because he refused to follow the geopolitical whims of the USA. His entire party is dead in the water with several MNAs assasinated, hundreds tortured, and thousands of supporters still in jail without trial or bail.
So respectfully, fuck off with this shitty propaganda meme.
So glad Obama gave us universal healthcare… Oh wait.
We all know this is bullshit right? Neither the Republicans or the Democrats give a shit about anything else then making rich people more money. I’m sorry to break it to you but the Democrats aren’t your friends. I know they pretended to be but they’re not. They are just as much your enemy as the Republicans. 😞
At least you named yourself appropriately. Lazy. Otherwise, you would know that Obama attempted to provide a public option for healthcare. You do realize how politics works, right? You need a certain amount of votes and support in order to pass new legislation. If you don’t have enough votes on both sides of the aisle, then you change NOTHING. So yes, one side, the Democrats, tried to provide healthcare that had a public option, and the other side, the Republicans, fought tooth and nail to stop it.
And you blame Obama. <polite golf clap>
Personally attacking me right off the bat. Now that’s a sign of intelligence! /s
So my point is that the Democrats never do what they say they will do. So pointing out that there was an unsuccessful attempt to create a public option doesn’t really undermine my point. It just illustrates it for me. Because the fact remains Obama didn’t not bring universal healthcare to the USA. I wish he had. I also wish he would have closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised. But again the Democrats just say nice things they don’t do them.
I hate the Republicans too. I don’t attribute anything good to them. The I just don’t pretend that the Democrats actually care about working class Americans.
I don’t have a particular axe to grind with Obama but if you need help seeing him as a charismatic individual who works against us on behalf of capital I recommend you look into how he downplayed the lead poisoning in flint Michigan https://youtu.be/AjugN-nUHh8?si=w_PTMd1QXzS47rQW
If you need help seeing the Democrats as a whole as ruthless and against you i recommend you read about their pied Piper strategy https://theweek.com/speed-reads/1015258/the-pied-piper-strategy#:~:text=In Maryland%2C Pennsylvania%2C Colorado%2C,It also might backfire spectacularly.
Good luck rude stranger ✌️😎
We know and the point of this post is that voting for one of them and grinding down the other is a clear message of what people want. Rich dude making his friends richer should have been a no-brainer but people keep using slimy tactics like the one you are using to distract the people from that fact.
Both sides are rich dudes making rich dudes richer…
There’s a big difference between stealing a pack of gum and literal nuclear secrets, don’t be obtuse.
We can agree they ignored some good Republicans did and very cleverly cut it off before Nixon creating the EPA, making dialysis ubiquitous when at the time a single treatment was ≈35k.
Which president reversed that?
Why do your graphs only go to 2016?
Because that’s what Wikipedia has on hand?
Fuck do you actually think things changed?
Let me tell you how it’d look, a dip in overall wealth during COVID, with a sharp drop for the bottom 99% and large overall gains for the top 1%.
Fuck do you actually think things changed?
Yeah there’s been a ton of news articles about it
Notice I didn’t mention any president. I mentioned a fact, don’t be obtuse.
Don’t deny reality.
No matter who, it is the wealthy who prosper from either party at the expense of everyone else.
I never said anything different (rude name automod won’t let me say). What’s your actual (rude adjective) problem dude?
I’ve never said anything different dipshit. What is your actual fucking problem?
One is negociating with what the people want, the other is lying and laughing while doing whatever they want.
The rich people who pay them both through lobbyists know what the people actually want. We don’t need to vote more clearly. 🙃
I’m not using a slimy tactic. This is my opinion. Sorry you think that not agreeing with you is slimy.
I’m a socialist. The Republican and Democratic parties are Siamese twins. They cannot survive without each other. They are completely dependent on the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils. Pretending like the Democrats actually cared about you or will do the things they say they will is an understandable coping mechanism for our situation but it’s not real. 🤷
One is moving the Overton window farther to the right. And it’s not like the other one is monolithic. They are forces within trying to do good but they have to negotiate with the institutions in place.
Yep it’s a ratcheting effect. The Republicans moves us to the right and the Dems don’t move at all. Together they shift the Overton window to the right over time. If the Democrats weren’t in on it they would move the Overton window to the left when they come into power but they never seem to. Do you know why that is? It’s because they are paid by the same ultra rich people to achieve the same agendas. The rest of it is a spectacle to keep the powerless fighting amongst ourselves.
Also edit/add: love your user name.
I disagree. If the vote was clear towards the available left instead of a lack of votes, it would have an effect on the parties. It’s the thinking within the democrats that they need to appeal to the right in some way because they vote way more than the left right now.
I mean you’re free to disagree and think what you want, but it seems like the evidence points very clearly in the direction that the Dems have no intention of doing the things they say they will do.
You can believe it’s just a coincidence and that if you vote harder, they’ll do the things you want but history doesn’t seem to agree. 🤷
Regardless of how we get there, I hope we get to a future where the US can actually have good leftist policies. Good luck ✌️
Don’t you know if a president doesn’t want to lick daddy Stalin’s blood-strained boots they’re no better than Hitler? Clearly, none of these facts matter.
It’s the latter
Bush: More money for rich People, killing a bunch of brown people
Obama: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people
Trump: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people, destroying democracy, treason, etc
Biden: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people
I think this is the most accurate take I’ve read so far
