The U.S. Secret Service is in the business of protecting the president, whether he’s inside the Oval Office or visiting a foreign war zone.
But protecting a former president in prison? The prospect is unprecedented. That would be the challenge if Donald J. Trump — whom the agency is required by law to protect around the clock — is convicted at his criminal trial in Manhattan and sentenced to serve time.
Even before the trial’s opening statements, the Secret Service was in some measure planning for the extraordinary possibility of a former president behind bars. Prosecutors had asked the judge in the case to remind Mr. Trump that attacks on witnesses and jurors could land him in jail even before a verdict is rendered.
Kind of like Egyptian kings getting buried with their servants.
Never understood keeping secret service protection after they are no longer in power? As anyone tried to kill a former president?
Probably not but it’s also porbaly because they still have the secret service.
There was movie with Jame Gardner and Jack Lemon they were both ex presidents. James character asked that question and then said something about how they don’t give shit when you no longer president. Great movie wish it could end for Trump way did in that film.
Believe me, someone would try to kill trump.
Wouldn’t be a loss IMO
Every president in or out of office has information of national security that is in our best interests to protect. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the password to launch nukes 1234 for like 60 years. They could’ve kidnapped like 5 ex-presidents and been able to launch nukes from the info obtained even if common logic says it should be obsolete.
IIRC, the code was 00000000
I feel like losing the protection of the secret service should be part of being tried and convicted of a crime if you are the president.
The problem is it makes them an easy target, especially in the future when a conservative court convicts a liberal president over jaywalking or some stupid shit. Slippery slope, I guess is what I’m saying
I mean, it’s pretty easy to limit it to felonies.
They know to much to be left without protection.
It’s about our safety at that point.
Maybe they let things go down as long as national security is at risk?
Most would but Trump probably cant remember any secrets anyway.
The secret service will be there to prevent other inmates from beating national secrets out of him.
Shit all they have to do is tell him the Democrats said XYZ and he’d tell them why they’re wrong.
Trump would likely be segregated from other prisoners (aka solitary confinement) for his own safety & the safety of the guards.
Trump? Keep secrets?
Well in theory that’s why they’d be there…
Alright, they’re there to prevent him just blurting them out with no prompting whatsoever.
This is why he’ll never be in general population.
I think you need the Sedation Service for that.
Fair point, but the rules are not specifically for Trump, they’re for any US ex president.
I honestly doubt he remembers anything at this point.
Is anything that man had access to even a “secret” anymore?
yeah but the principle of the thing, whatever it was, says you shouldn’t do that. Things are so bad right now its hard to give a shit.
I would love to be the USSS person in charge of logistics for this.
I don’t know why. It would be like a strategy/sim game.
All the other agents have different attributes, and the conditions at the prison change during the day.
I’ve already put too much thought into it and I have no idea why I find it interesting.
yeah Syndicate!
Dumb VIPs walking into range of my agent with maxed out red-bar and a gauss gun .
The Persuadertron was fun. You could scoop up the whole level on some of them, which my poor old Amiga really struggled with.
legions of brainwashed drones roaming around blasting off assault rifles randomly in an expansion called american revolt. . . did this get back on-topic?
yeah persuedertron was pretty much my plan A on most levels - at least when i replayed it a few years ago on a decent computer. A nice layer of human shields.
In the extraordinarily unlikely scenario this Cheeto ever sees a day in prison, it sure as fuck won’t be a normal prison. It will be a white collar situation and honestly he would probably be the only person there. Could you imagine the fucking shit storm putting him in gen pop??
Could you imagine the fucking shit storm putting him in gen pop??
He’d be too hard to protect in gen pop. The most realistic way to put Trump in prison is to make the entire SHU into a “presidential suite” for Trump and his security detail. Everything else goes through regular prison security as normal, anything or anyone entering or leaving the SHU goes through SS in addition.
obviously it wouldnt be prison like real prison but more of like goodfellas prison
In there wit de two yutes
“how many onions you put in the sauce? That’s too many onions”
Even if convicted he’ll get house arrest. I doubt he will ever see a club Fed from the inside, let alone a supermax.
Maybe a military prison?
For the sake of the secret service people, I hope he gets the very first president solitary wing named after him
Exactly. The logistics of housing a president in a prison are too hard. It’s already set up for his residence.
It will be worse for him if he’s locked up in Trump Tower or Mar-A-Lago. People who were locked up in Alcatraz said the worst part was hearing everyone in the city have fun and go on in their lives. It would literally be torture for someone who has never known adversity.
Yeah, being limited and told where you cannot go ain’t no picnic. People might wish him to wear an orange jumpsuit and be placed in genpop, but that won’t happen.
Secret service will end up doubling as prison guards automatically. I just wonder if house arrest will also limit visits and communication.
But this trial probably will not lead to prison though.
It’s unsatisfying to say, but house arrest would make the most sense for the secret service.
But not for the judge.
One of the reasons he’s being found in contempt is for making threatening comments on social media. Jail stops that behavior. House arrest does not.
So one thing I don’t fully understand is this: the secret service is required by law to protect the former president, but…is there anything that actually requires the state of New York to accommodate the secret service in doing so?
In theory, couldn’t the state of New York just actually throw Trump in prison, no special privileges, and also no special accommodations for the secret service?
I would LOVE to see that scenario. Trump goes to prison as he deserves and gets his special accommodations all revoked either by the court or the prison or whatever.
Being immune to repercussions of your crimes because you are in a certain position is a very bad thing.
Perhaps, but I don’t think they’d push the issue.
I’m pretty sure the Supremacy Clause would make it a very bad time for whoever is unconstitutionally trying to block federal agents from protecting the criminal-in-chief.
Im sure he’ll be very secure without them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence
The answer to questions in headlines is damn near always ‘no.’
Theyre dumb enough to keep him in eye shot, let em go
I was reading somewhere that congress has introduced legislation barring the secret service from protecting the president once the president is convicted. But good luck getting that passed.
Ex presidents get protection as much because they are a security risk as for their own safety.
This one is something that would be opposed only because of the current situation. Once the tables turned, the opposing party would be all over it.
If an ex-president is convicted, I don’t care which side of the political spectrum he or she was.
That’s cuz you’re not a conservative. Don’t expect them to see it the same way.
Saves taxpayer dollars and opens a lucrative subcontractor job for the Aryan Brotherhood. His base will love it, especially later in the summer
Maybe they’ll get lucky and his cameras will go off for a while when he’s on “constant suicide watch.”
He’s never going to prison. That’s all power-fantasy at this point. How many times in the past 8 years have we’ve heard this shit in and out? “Oh he’s so going to prison for this one thing he did!” “Oh he’s definitely going to prison for THAT…”
8 years and this clown is openly doing his shit.
Even the prosecutor was only asking for $1k for each violation of the gag order. That’s just limp wristed finger wagging. I don’t really see the point in this charade. Anybody else would be in prison for pulling that shit.
That’s the law, they literally can’t demand more; It’s a regressive fine, just like everything else in society. If they could call for a heftier financial penalty, they would.
I’m sure that there are other laws that could apply, like witness intimidation. Contempt can also carry jail time for each instance. The judge has discretion to hold him in jail during the trial as well.
Indeed, he could be locked up for up to 30 days, but I think Merchan wants to avoid feed this asshole’s martyr complex.
Personally I’d rather trump end up like Steve Biko than Nelson Mandela, but perhaps Merchan is far more level-headed than I am.
For context, Frank DiPascali plead guilty to 10 federal charges in 2009 related to his role in Bernie Madoff’s investment scams. He died of lung cancer in 2015 and had yet to be sentenced. That’s how long it takes when there’s a guilty plea, making things relatively easy.
Trump walking around a free man for 8 years is not unusually long. One of the major federal cases, taking classified materials home with him and not giving it back, had no crime occurring until he was out of office.
What I’m saying is that if the timeline is your argument for the government letting him get away with things, then you should find a different argument. This level of waiting is normal.
Why is it normal? And how do we fix it?
There’s lots of reasons. One is that prosecutors have one shot at it–they don’t get to appeal a not-guilty verdict in most circumstances–so they need to build their case very, very carefully. This is arguably a good thing, so maybe we shouldn’t fix it.
One thing we very much should fix, though, is that the size of the federal bench hasn’t been increased in a while, and judges have an overwhelming workload. Doubling or even quadrupling the number of judges would be in order. This will get labeled as “stuffing the bench” by whichever party isn’t currently in power, but it’s a good idea.
The justice system is just slow, though. Consider that depending on the outcome, it can take away everything you own, throw you in jail for years, or in some jurisdictions, end your life. There are reasons for those outcomes (well, except for the death penalty), and that means the process should be very deliberate. This isn’t just about Trump.
I’m convinced that the u.s government machine would assassinate him or poison him, before ever allowing him to set foot in prison.
Guantanamo bay was practically designed for this scenario. Just dump his ass there and forget about him.
