If an 80 year old is the best America can do against growing fascism in their country.
We’re all doomed.
I’m not American but I support the American people, I support the Democrats and the liberal minded people of the country … but the way this election is building up is leading to something terrible. It’s like watching an enormous cargo ship on its way to slowly destroying a popular recreational marina.
I think a lot of doom and gloom haunts this era and leaves us blind.
We entered the information/disinformation age very recently of course it was going to be global chaos. I think it was necessary and good things are ahead.
Every generation believes the end is nigh, they’ve all been wrong but sometimes felt and saw and swear they were right. I’m sure as Rome burned and the Aztec empire fell and the black plague devoured they thought the end was here.
Yet here we are and how irrelevant their issues are today.
You know that between 50% and 90% of the population died in all three of the examples you listed, right?
You know there is a theory that a volcanic eruption reduced the human population down to 1-3,000 individuals?
Yet here we are.
This isn’t the comfort you think it is. If the bombs light up my horizon, I won’t be thinking “well, at least some remote tribe might continue a stone age humanity” while my entire family is consumed in a nuclear fire.
Okay? I’m not offering comfort. It is simply true. We all die one day and worrying about the end of our society isn’t new.
My point is there will be cataclysm. That’s it.
Y’all are so argumentative and sensitive
I’d probably be thinking “Well, fuck. That’s disappointing.”
just shrug at the mushroom cloud and go back to seeing how many upvotes my final meme got
Believe it or not, my criteria for prosperity is more than “literally somebody survives to propogate my species.”
Any source on that apart from the plague?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics
The Roman Empire one is a harder one, since it was a centuries-long process with plenty of plagues, wars and migrations. It’s not hard to find sources, however, that the city of Rome fell from 1 million to 30.000 ~ 60.000 people.
That’s kind of what triggered my question, there’s a common misunderstanding that the fall of Rome was something brutal and with few causes (that are selected by politicians when they want to scare people). I think Rome losing its population can be explained by emigration rather than people dying.
It all depends on your perspective and what position of society you occupy.
If you are even a little bit wealthy and live in a first world country … the decline of the global world will be an inconvenience.
For the rest of the world, it will mean death, destruction, starvation and misery.
Every global societal failure in the historical past were all the same. The rich lost some of their power and got little uncomfortable. The poor died en masse.
If you edit to make that a bridge instead of a marina it would be pretty topical. Perhaps a commentary on how the owner of the ship is trying to dodge any liability whatsoever despite fucking up safety protocols.
please don’t support democrats or liberals, they’re genocide enablers
Please don’t support comments like the above, they’re heads in the sand enablers.
as opposed to republicans who are all about stopping genocides 🙄
If you had any morals you’d vote for Jill Stein
IShe said Russia was basically forced to invade Ukraine by NATO, so… She’s making excuses for genocides too. She just doesn’t care if her funders and the oligarchs she dines with are the ones committing genocide.
Oh and she still has to explain her vaccine skepticism, saying that wifi causes cancer, and her nuclear fear mongering.
No, you would vote for Biden to stop Trump from finishing the job and killing all of the Palestinians. Not to mention Trump wants to round up immigrants and homeless people and put them in camps. Everyone will be worse off with Trump.
Especially Trump, who famously pardoned multiple war criminals, he will absolutely be on your side /s
Yeah, Donald “Muslim ban” “Israel should finish the job” Trump will surely stop this conflict. Jared Kushner got how many billions from the Saudis? That was an award for creating peace in the Middle East, right? Great work, Jared. Let’s get him to head this task force. Mike Johnson wants to send in the National Guard to handle the students. Fuck those students, they should write letters to the editor if they don’t like war. Protesting is illegal, I think.
Yeah, let’s enable the government to go even further genociding Muslims at home as well as abroad. Let’s choose the guys who will prevent us from being able to vote ever again, just in case we change our minds later.
I would say that Trump is like that 14 year old edgy idealist rebel who thinks the world is better realized under their haphazard of a vision. The one who wants to get all of their unqualified and equally inexperienced friends in positions of power who all think they’re better than officially qualified individuals with the experience.
That is him in a nutshell and we’ve seem him practice exactly that.
Trump and idealism. Just wow
Like, honestly, some people just don’t know words good
Lol nah.
Trump’s only ideal is him making more money.
Something he is failing hard to do, unless he grifts people.
I’ve posted this article many times, and I’ll keep posting it.
Donnie was given a golden opportunity to get in good with the real Manhattan elites, the 0.0001% and he ended up making them despise him through his own stupidity, greed, and arrogance.
Nah, he has ideals like standing up to China and kicking out Mexicans. He just abandons them in a blink of an eye if they are inconvenient to his own interests, just like a 14-year old.
One might say he doesn’t actually have ideals then
One might, but what would you call them then? Fancies?
Positions of convenience.
so 🤔, was there nobody at the event to stone him with shoes or tables, hopefully put him out of the race
Biden is slayin’ even harder in Palestine. Congrats on the grade school level dunk, though.
Why don’t you go over there and help them yourself then
Going to Palestine would do nothing but add more meat to the grinder. Action in the US is far more effective since the US is the one funding israel’s campaign of genocide. I used to think genocide was an absolutely forbidden red line, but it turns out people are actually quite dismissive when it’s actually happening. Even worse, many here are sucking biden’s dick while he supports genocide with full force.
I’ve been watching a YouTube series called “the presidents play d&d” it’s fucking hilarious. Everytime I see shit like this I think of Donna the barbarian yelling “wake up sleepy Joe”.
I’d rather a 6 year old than a genocidal maniac.
So rather Trump than Trump?
Sounds like you’re planning on electing the man who wants to “finish the job”…
He looks like Odo when he’s been out of his bucket too long.
When a 80 year old makes fun of another 80 year old
Feels like an ad. I love you, Zero, but this feels like an ad.
I have no issue if it is one when it’s true 🤷♂️
Jost nailed it too:
“The Republican candidate for president owes half a billion in fines for bank fraud and is currently spending his days farting himself awake during a porn star hush money trial, and the race is tied? The candidate who is a famous New York City playboy took abortion rights away, and the guy who’s trying to give you your abortion rights back is an 80-year-old Catholic. How does that make sense?”
To the rest the world, the clincher is that it is even a contest.
The joke is not Trump
The joke is not Biden
The joke is America
Americans, rightfully, don’t care about your claimed opinion of the US. The undying thirst for our culture and innovation speaks loudly enough to drown out your feigned protestations.
I guess I’m no longer an American, because the world’s opinion of the U.S. is something I think is pretty important for a lot of reasons and it’s already in the toilet.
Lol
Lmao even
What country should we gab about next; Is there answer going to be boring or all too expected?
This has to be satire.
You should’ve stopped after the first sentence, you we’re so close to greatness… Now everybody just thinks you’re a 🤡
This comment has big American flag mural on the back of a Toyota tundra energy
And polls show Biden neck and neck with him…
Biden’s bravado is unearned and he needs to recognize the reality that his legacy may be “the guy who put the final nail in American democracy with his hubris and support of ethno-nationalist far-right genocide.”
Another hamas supporter
I wonder who funded Hamas at their start…🤔
Must’ve been a really duplicitous piece of garbage who helped prop them up…oh.
Found the nazi
Outstanding comeback. Go back to Twitter.
I’m still hoping he drops out and lets the Democratic convention choose the next candidate. He should never have run again.
but you’re okay with Trump running again?
I’m just afraid Biden is going to lose and we’ll be stuck with Trump
a legitimate concern, but that ship has sailed, so vote Biden and focus on 2028.
Lol, shut the entire fuck up, troll.
Fuck you genocide supporting piece of shit
The only one supporting genocide are the ones claiming Biden is the reason for the Israel-Gaza war, and try to persuade people not voting, thus throwing the election into genocide Trump’s lap, who is known to be in league with genocide Russia and genocide Putin.
Biden isn’t the reason but he is making sure it keeps happening. Blood is on your hands for voting for Biden.
Not into russian dudes komrade, I’m straight, unfortunately for you. But hey, there’s plenty of good people out there that I’m sure would take you up on the offer. Oh, while I have your attention, how does it feel to have two brain cells fighting for third place?
Who talks like this? What are you 12?
So you’re a bot, got it.
They’re not a bot, they’re just a moron. Whether or not there’s a difference? You decide.
Great point, wow such delicate wordplay.
Why do we give a fuck what you think?
You’re a genocide apologist.
Is this hourly or per post? The money can’t be good, can it? I mean doing it for free would be ridiculous, but I doubt it works out to minimum wage.
Is that the only defense you have left to justify ignoring genpcide then? “People outraged by dem complicity in genocide are trolling me.”
I hate to break it to you, but no one is trolling you into not having basic empathy for other human beings who are being killed in your name.
No one can troll another person into being a callous sociopath who sees genocide as some kind of political inconvenience that can be waved away to make your own choices easier.
I think these are all Nancy Pelosi soc accounts, no way a normal lib could be this ambivalent about Palestinian genocide.
You guys can’t even come up with your own insults, you need to steal them from the smarter Biden supporters lol
you need to ask the Russian propaganda department for a raise.
I don’t know, he’s pretty terrible at it. That or it’s a bot that needs work. No way it’s a free thinking human.
Because tRump wouldn’t do the same thing? Troll.
Are we leaving out the part where he’s alienating young people because he won’t stop Israel from committing genocide? I’m pretty sure he needs their votes.
Yeah, because voting for Trump is definitely gonna show them!
Trump also supports the ethno-nationalist far-right genocide.
The problem you are highlighting is bigger than the presidency.
Not when it comes to his re-election. He’s responsible for how he’s behaving, and he’ll be responsible for the electoral consequences of that behaviour. Fullstop.
If there are only 2 sides, and both support a specific notion, then that notion is useless in determining who to vote for.
Not if you’re considering future behavior of the democratic party (and your own conscience, obviously).
Your lesser of evils politics have put us in this position. It’s time to acknowledge that those politics are an abject failure that have done nothing to stem the tide of fascism, but have in fact helped usher it along at every step.
You need to sit down, your bullshit has inflicted irreparable damage and you should not still be acting like you have some kind of way out.
What makes you think there will be a Democratic party if the “dictator on day one” gets into office?
Guess it depends on how the house and senate go.
It is completely impossible to argue with people like you. What solutions do you propose ?
The solution has already been outlined explicitly for Biden. Outlined, circled, highlighted and underlined in red.
Now it’s up to him since he’s the only one with the power to actually implementbthat solution.
Maybe I missed the memo. What’s your solution?
Whatever Putin tells him to say
alcohol.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we like to call a “non-answer”. If you look closely you can see that the poster is obviously full of shit, doesn’t actually have a position or isn’t cognitively capable of producing one, so he says nothing of value and expects everyone else to fill in the gaps.
It’s not a non-answer. People have been very, very clear about the solution; stop aid to the genocidal regime of Israel. Stop taking Israeli money. Stop using our tax dollars to kill children.
That’s what the protests are about, that’s what the Uncommitted vote is communicating; the solution for Biden.
Is that clear enough for you? Any more dishonest rhetoric to try out? It’s time to stop pretending that Biden has no way of resolving this.
They’re accelerationists. Debating or arguing with them in any fashion is a waste of time. They have no solution or better ideas. They don’t care how many people are being or will be killed. They just want collapse.
They will squeal screech and virtue signal without end. Never once have a thought or suggestion of any value. Because their ideology and philosophy is so shit that they can’t convince anyone else to embrace it without having the threat of death and apocalypse upon them. And I say this as someone generally pragmatically socialist libertarian/anarchist. Who would agree with much they pretend to support.
That’s a silly question
Stop approving weapons deliveries to Isreal.
It’s surprisingly simple actually.
How does that change anything? Say we did. Now isreal is pissed at us and they’re getting weapons and shit from someone worse. If you think us cutting them off will stop a single thing even for a second, you are a fool.
Here’s a bit of unrelated reading.
Have a fucking backbone, Jesus christ.
Okay, I stopped approving them. Now what?
Lmao, I would assume you’re making a joke, but honestly, there are enough people here dumb enough to make that statement unironically, so I’ll clarify for you:
Biden can stop approving weapon deliveries. He can just stop sending weapons.
Nah, it would be Trump and idiots who got him elected by voting for him or not voting at all who would take the blame for that.
It is not the voters’ responsibility to make Biden electable. You have it complete backwards.
The choice for Biden is very clear and simple; stop supporting genocide. It’s not some complicated or nuanced thing. It would infact be very easy (and moral) for him to do.
Instead he’s chosen to give the finger to any voter that has a moral compass. So, yeah, we’ll see how his behaviour pays off for him.
Thank you for being such an important part in the implementation of Project 2025. Your work has not gone unnoticed.
It’ll pay off when he’s reelected and the shit stain cheeto goes to jail. Then maybe we can do something about the russian/china trolls and their propaganda.
Lots of trolls are trying to make hay off the Mideast conflict but Biden has done a lot of behind-the-scene work trying to mitigate deaths there. He has put restrictions on US arms use, slow walked arms shipments and is close to establishing a two state solution - pretty impressive despite having to work with the Israeli madman, Netanyahu. Yes, it’s a bad situation but the problem here is people don’t bother to get the facts.
Biden has done nothing behind the scenes, and even if he had there is no reason for it to be “behind the scenes” in the first place, it would only help the situation to pressure Israel publically, many countries look to the US on this issue on how much they can sat and do. When the Biden admin does nothing, vetos or abstains from UN resolutions, it takes the air put of the room.
Not to mention it would help his electoral chances to strongly condemn the grnocide and show he gives even the slightest of fucks.
Biden has done nothing behind the scenes, and even if he had
Lol echoes of the Narcissists Prayer
You know what’s narcissitic? Demanding people put their stamp of approval on genocide so that you can go on pretending your politics are working.
I’m sorry, but virtue signaling about the Israel war against Palestine to blame the current guy for a thing the previous guy would have definitely done (and moreso) as well, is disingenuous. You want to hold Biden responsible for Gaza, fine, but do it after the election with the fucking Christo-fascist manifesto waiting in the wings to take the rights away from you and everyone you care about should tRump win again.
No one with any grey matter between their ears wants Biden again. For real, no one is happy with the options and haven’t been happy with the candidates since Obama. But only one of the candidates has actually been trying to help. I’ll take the one trying to make things better over the guy we know will make it worse.
Look, bottom line is we know exactly how both of the candidates lead, as we’ve seen them both for a single term. Only one of those guys has actively plotted, schemed, and stochastically terrorized the masses on the daily and it ain’t the current guy.
One thing young voters, or maybe Russian shit stirrers, don’t get is that voting is not a process of waiting around to vote for the perfect candidate. They don’t exist. Voting is a means of moving the needle toward the world you want to see. So I guess vote for whatever kind of world you want to see us move closer to: fascism r something along to American Taliban control, or something better, because rest assured, if “tTump” is put back in power, he’s already told you what he’s going to do, and none of it will help you, the world, our allies, or Palestine.
I’m sorry, but virtue signaling about the Israel war against Palestine to blame the current guy for a thing the previous guy would have definitely done (and moreso) as well, is disingenuous.
Being against genocide and those who enable it is not “virtue signaling”. We can’t continue this conversation until you acknowledge that. You need to acknowledge that people are furious because genocide is being done in their name.
Talking down to people simply won’t be effective who don’t support Democratic comnplicity in genocide does not come off the way you think it does.
Then those people are telling us they’re comfortable with a Trump presidency. Sounds like a dangerous group to me.
It’s the voters responsibility to consider the repercussions of their choice and, unless you’re in a proportional system, to vote strategically to prevent the worst from happening.
We’ve got that in Canada with people voting for Liberals so the Conservatives don’t get in power even though their real allegiance is to the Neo Democrats or the Bloc or the Greens. Now the same thing needs to happen in the USA where Biden might be financing Israel, but the alternative is Trump who will support Israel, stop supporting Ukraine and make women’s, LGBT’s and POC’s lives even worse than they are at the moment.
So please, tell me how not voting for Biden or not voting for Biden isn’t basically the same as voting for Trump and supporting more genocide?
Yes, voters will have to live with the choice they make. Putting their stamp of approval on Democratic complicity in genocide is something a voter would have to live with for the rest of their life. Enabling future democrats to behave in this same way, knowing that it presents no issue for their electability to be pro-genocide, will be something voters will have to live with.
Putting their stamp of approval on Democratic complicity in genocide is something a voter would have to live with for the rest of their life.
As well as being passive and letting a fascist take over who will do everything bad that the other guy will, but 1000% times harder. Not voting against it is putting a stamp of approval on it as well, since you didn’t care enough to try to stop it.
Voters have to live with their choice no matter what, and inaction is a choice as well. Don’t vote for Biden if you want, but that’s still on your conscience if Trump is elected.
People are taking action right now. It’s you who are standing in the way of that.
Do you think Trump, the only other choice would be any better for the people of Ukraine?
He definitely wouldn’t do anything differently in Gaza, he’s already said as much.
When fascists vote, not voting is collaboration.
If the revolution you salivate for comes, you will be seen as no different than the rat turning in his neighbors to the morality police for being a gay couple.
No. The fact that you can’t even acknowledge the moral issues with actively voting for an administration that has repeatedly affirmed its willingness to aid a genocide tells me you’re full of shit.
You’re absolutely morally lost if you think greenlighting Democratic participation in genocide is not really problematic. Whether I chose to vote for Biden or mot, I would never be chastising people for being unable to support genocide ascasually as you seem to be able to.
He looks uncanny in that photo.
Hell yeah, you tell em Joe
Voting for Trump gives more. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Hmmm, perhaps i’ll simply not vote for a candidate that funds an apartheid ethnostate, no matter what color his tie is :)
Choosing not to vote is choosing to support the candidate you like least. Rationalize it all you want, but we have a 2 party system that you won’t fix by choosing not to participate.
Hell yeah, so if I hate them both the same then they both get my vote? But I was already planning on voting for the PSL, are you saying I get 3 votes? If not voting for biden is a vote for trump, then that also means that not voting for trump is a vote for biden. Do my not-biden and not-trump votes cancel each other out? Does the PSL get all 3 votes??? American democracy is so confusing…
if I hate them both the same
Then you’re a fucking idiot
You may be surprised to know that this message did not change my stance on Joseph Biden. You should be doing more to earn my vote.
If Trump being so blatantly bad isn’t enough, then you’re a moron and a lost cause. It’s not our problem, it’s yours.
Hence the idiot thing I mentioned
Do you really, honestly believe that Trump and Biden are equivalent? One is imperfect in many ways, while the other is a literal fascist being backed by people who are explicitly planning to run the US as a Christofascist oligarchy.
The goal for one side is for this to be the last election we ever get. Don’t hand them victory because Biden isn’t your ideal candidate.
If trump is truly an existential threat to democracy and our country, biden should order the military to assassinate him. He’d be 100% justified in doing so. You’d shoot hitler to protect democracy, right? that’d be a surefire way to get my vote, tbh. I voted for biden as the “harm reduction” candidate in 2020 and it really seems like that blew up in our collective faces big time, so I’m gonna avoid stepping on that rake again.
Fewer and fewer people are downvoting you as you post more. It means they are ignoring or blocking your comments, so they don’t even see them anymore.
You’re not going to convince anyone of anything like this. Maybe you should think about why that is?
It’s not exactly complimentary for Joe that almost all of his tribe’s the strategy is “Vote for Joe because the other guy is worse”.
One is left with the idea that “random person of the street” would be a better president than either of these assholes, which then leads to the whole “How exactly does America have Democracy when of all the possible 300 million Americans, the only two ‘choices’ the voters de facto have are worse than the average American?”
Bc Democrats didn’t even bother to hold primaries - tbf, that’s common with a sitting incumbent - and while conservatives tried to hold debates before the Republican primaries, Trump just laughed them off, didn’t bother to attend, and won easily anyway.
Meanwhile, people on both sides are like “how is democracy not working”!?, while choosing to conveniently ignore that this is how democracy always works. i.e. it takes real effort, so this whole solution of waiting for Superman or whoever to save us was doomed from the start.
If we will not put forth effort to maintain something, then someone may come and take it away from us.
I’ve lived in a couple of countries in Europe and always voted when I could (being an EU Citizen, I can vote in Local and European Elections in any EU country).
From my own experience, that is not at all “how democracy always works”.
It’s at best how the American voting system always works.
Merelly “having a vote” is not the same as Democracy - just look at Russia - so the question is “How far away is the American Voting System from the ideal of Democracy and is it even a Democracy or just a Theatre Of Democracy?”. Whilst I have my own belief in that, I think it’s best if each person, looks around and really thinks about and draws their own conclusions.
It’s funny that the least democratic system I lived under - Britain, which was even worse than the US IMHO (they have a King and an unelected second chamber whose membership is lifelong and in some case hereditary) - was a place were, just like in the US, policians kept going on an on about how great a Democracy their country was, whilst in the most democratic one - The Netherlands, who though they do have a powerless Monarch, use Proportional Vote for Parliament which has all the real power - politicians never felt the need to harp about how great a Democracy they had.
Oh yeah - to clarify, I meant “things take effort to maintain” is how democracy always works, not “vote for me bc the other guy is worse”, which is only a feature of those with 2-party systems in place.
The former is also simply stating that systems tend towards entropic decay, without intervention to prop them up. So it is not unique even to just political systems. e.g. Nixon was impeached, but rather than attempt to stop future such attempts, we instead allowed people to lay the groundwork for the next attempt. And then when the January 6 coup attempt failed, once again rather than take steps to prevent such in the future, we again allowed it to fester and the same exact people who tried it before are now stating openly that they would like to try again. So… third time’s a charm, anyone? 🍀
Whereas it seems an open question whether a 2-party system can even be called a “democracy” at all, but even if it can, especially at first, it definitely shifts the field away from what people consider as the foundational principles of democracy. And that too we allowed to fester, for many decades. But surely nothing bad would ever happen, ever, for any reason, right!? Nope, it seems to me that we are all permanently safe, forever… 🍀
Well, ok, that does make a lot of sense and aligns with what I’ve been discovering myself in the last few years - Democracy is a process, not an absolute inalterable state of being.
This dovetails with a lot of things such as how parties who remain too long in power become corrupt over time no matter how honest they started as, an effect that also seems to happen when it’s two parties alternating in power (were both parties become corrupt over time, just slower).
You also see the near constant attempts at undermining the independence of the Press and Judicial Pillars of Democracy and making them subservient to the Political Pillar and/or with that same Pillar becoming subservient to other, non-state unelected powers, typically those whose power comes from Money.
Similarly with religion. e.g. Jesus said: “love one another, especially those you disagree with” - love ofc is a chosen attitude towards patience, gentleness, kindness, peace, etc., and instituted the most widespread and strongest provisions for women’s rights that the world has ever seen.
Fast-forward to today’s religious christofascists taking away women’s health options and taking sexual advantage of children and it’s just… not the same. Everything gets corrupted over time, and takes effort to preserve and persevere.
It is because the Emancipation Proclamation guy got shot in the head, leaving a dimwit to do reconstruction. Now we have a massive cult of boneheads backing a dude who led an insurrection against the country. All out of spite because a black man dared to get elected to office.
I don’t want to vote for Biden but I don’t have a choice as long as the rest of the Repubs will back whichever corrupt piece of shit the cultists push through their primaries.
Honestly, being impressed that someone called someone else “six year old” is really actually embarrassing. There are better takes if this is the high water mark we are fucked.
In the context of a stand up routine… Not official speech.
I mean to be fair, it’s a dinner, not an inauguration, and given what the other side was like a few years back. Yeah I’d say he’s earned it
True, but you have to remember swallowing Biden’s cock is a much vaunted activity around these parts.
Is it? Because unless “I don’t like him all that much but he’s better than Trump” is what you consider “swallowing Biden’s cock,” it’s not what I’ve observed here.
Biden is someone you’ll let come over if it’s a large party and ya don’t have to spend a lot of face time with, not someone you have over and let fuck your wife. That’s Obama.
Your punctuation (lack thereof) is also in the hyperbolic running for causing the End Times, so 🤷🏼♂️
Nobody is calling this the high water mark. It’s a joke flipping the expectation of a comment on him being old to an argument about the lack of maturity of his opponent. Pretty standard politics joke.
I know you’re right …but fuck that standard.
Have you ever watched a single WHC dinner ever?
Thank you for explaining the joke I was so lost
Damn grown man can’t identify a genocide
Both of those fools would fail a CAPTCHA for different reasons
I like that phrase, I’m going to steal it. It’s mine now.
geez, yet again joe biden showing he is too old to run. 6 year olds cannot run for president.
