Yeah that’s why edgy comedian like Jimmy Carr has released 2 Netflix specials in last 3 years. And he, unlike Seinfeld, isn’t whining about ‘kids these days’.
Or Chapelle
Chapelle’s special’s have been very controversial. I think people protested about one of them, kind of proving Seinfeld’s point.
Yeah he had a bit about how he believes trans people are gender they claim
But against Seinfeld’s point; it still got made and is still on streaming platforms
Please, tell me more about how Chappelle was canceled and didn’t get like 3 standups in a row on streaming playforms.
This “somebody didn’t like it” = “cAnCeLeD” narrative is fucking tiring. I didn’t watch “the one” or any of them - because I just don’t fucking care about someone who hasn’t done anything for 20 years, didn’t think about it all either way past “I heard it exists” - and for 6 months I couldn’t tell anyone I didn’t watch it because I’d be subjected to a 30 minute/5 paragraph rant about how I personally destroyed comedy and freedom by not watching it, with a heavy implication that I OWE IT TO HIM to watch it and that I’m a fascist if I don’t give him my clicks.
I just don’t give a fuck about Chappelle, but spoiler alert, he’s not some edgy on the brink celebrity. He’s washed up celeb #386 out 9of 1,000 who have chased the easy paycheck of saying the things that only the dredges of society want to hear. If you think hearing “trans women are men LULULULUL” for the 800th time is all you want in life, by all means go empty your wallets for Chappelle, Seinfeld, Sorbo, etc - but FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF with this bullshit “you’re the real fascist if you don’t throw your money/attention at them” nonsense.
But in chapelle’s case, chapelle ruined comedy
Yeah, but Jimmy Carr’s greatest achievement is beating Father Time by transforming himself into a plastic vampire. Jerry Seinfeld’s greatest achievement is making a movie where a bumblebee cucks Kronk.
I love Kronk, but immortality > bee sex.
Jerry’s greatest achievement is his billion dollar bank account…
Nah, that came from the TV show Seinfeld, which is arguably Larry David’s greatest achievement.
Who’s bank account is it in LoL? Cuz at the end of the day, dude’s got a billion dollars and that’s a helluva accomplishment by anyone’s standards.
His latest special was incredible.
There’s a shit ton of good young comedians. Jerry is an old man telling kids to get off his lawn.
Jerry is an old man telling kids to get off his lawn.
i think i crossed the middle aged boundary because my head is filled with “those damn kids!” thoughts and i hoping that the fact that i’m still a stereotypical broke ass millennial that will never be able to afford his own lawn will help keep me young somehow.
You should read up on juvenoia (sp?). Vsauce did a great video on the topic. Helps keep you grounded when you struggle with the thoughts of are the kids wrong or am I just out of touch. Spoiler, they are no more wrong than we ever were as kids, and yes we are out of touch with the youth. But it’s all ok as long as you accept that there can be things you don’t understand or that just aren’t meant for you.
That’s a great way to look at it.
Also remember, you’re the oldest guy you saw when you were the kids age.now i have a new word that accurately describes the impetus for the tik tok ban; thanks for that.
Jew supports Israel. In other news, water is wet and the sky is blue.
Wasting no time conflating zionists and jews. Netanyahu would be proud, fucking fascist
Only literal turds support Gaza or Palestine.
Only literal turds support colonialism, apartheid and genocide.
Proud turd here, reporting for duty!
Who are you reporting to?
Literally nobody wants you here but a couple of a hateful jerks who were trying to be edgy by upvoting you.
penny for your thoughts?
Is there a big disparity? I can’t think of any Jews that have shown support for Gaza or Palestine. I’m sure they exist, but not from what I’ve seen.
Bernie Sanders
Thousands of Israeli are protesting Netanyahu to fuck off and sign a ceasefire.
Here is a list of Israeli and Jewish journalists, lawyers, historians, ex-soldiers, human rights experts and organizations that don’t shy away from telling truth to power.
Gideon Levy, Breaking the Silence, Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, Avi Shlaim, Max Blumenthal, Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), Simone Zimmerman, Jewish Currents, Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, Jews for Justice for Palestinians (JJP), IfNotNow, Naomi Klein, Judith Butler, Never Again Action, Independent Jewish Voices (IJV), Neve Gordon, Hiam Bresheeth, Miko Peled, Zach Foster, Andrew Feinstein, Haim Zabner
Every single name is worth being googled, read and heard.
I can’t think of any Jews that have shown support for Gaza or Palestine.
Hi. I’m one. Now you can think of at least one.
Albert Einstein
I just wanna understand, not really looking to pick a fight. But isn’t he a Jew supporting Israel in that photo?
The problem isn’t stating that he is a jew that supports Israel but that it is “natural” for a jew to do.
Makes more sense that way, thanks.
This shitbag needs to take his money and fuck off
Far-Right Influencers Celebrate Jerry Seinfeld Once Again Claiming ‘P.C. Crap’ Killed Comedy
“It used to be you would go home at the end of the day, most people would go, ‘Oh, Cheers is on,” he said in the interview. “‘Oh, M.A.S.H. is on, oh, Mary Tyler Moore is on. All in the Family is on.’ You just expected, there’ll be some funny stuff we can watch on TV tonight. Well, guess what? Where is it? This is the result of the extreme left and P.C. crap and people worrying so much about offending other people. When you write a script and it goes into four or five different hands, committees, groups - ‘Here’s our thought about this joke’ - well, that’s the end of your comedy.”
So he picks shows that had some racism in them as justification that we should still have racism around for entertainment purposes?
What an idiot. I’ve heard plenty of comedy that’s funny as hell without being a knuckle dragging buffoon and going after low hanging fruit like racism or making fun of women.
The clown admits he’s just not creative or smart enough to make decent comedy that isn’t easy cheap shots.
So he picks shows that had some racism in them as justification that we should still have racism around for entertainment purposes?
He also picked shows that were “extreme left” for their time. M*A*S*H was full of left-wing morals and speeches from the pens of both Larry Gelbart and Alan Alda and was savagely critical of an American war against communists while America was still in Vietnam.
Mary Tyler Moore was about an independent career woman in the 1960s, when women weren’t allowed to have their own credit cards.
All in the Family was about a conservative racist constantly being shown that the world had moved on from his archaic ideas about the way things should be.
So what is his issue with the “extreme left” exactly if those were the shows he picked?
So what is his issue with the “extreme left” exactly if those were the shows he picked?
You could legit just read the screenshot and answer your own question.
Looks like Jerry is a pretty mainstream liberal who is okay with shows tackling issues of their own volition, but doesn’t appreciate the current production model of everything having to pass through focus groups, committees, and wanker consultants, coming out the other side so impotent and safe that it doesn’t arouse the intellect enough to really make a point or stand for anything specific.
Like if you watch Disney stuff and think that’s normal, you’re part of the problem.
the current production model of everything having to pass through focus groups, committees, and wanker consultants
Sorry… you think that’s current? It’s always been that way.
American television was always known for production interference, but it was mostly from advertisers, bored executives, and censors. Not even close to the same thing, widespread use of focus testing and demographic committees and having 12 different sensitivity consultants is all relatively modern, and that’s on top of most of the traditional interference.
And you in all likelihood knew all this, but chose to waste our time anyway.
Seriously. MASH had episodes around racism, and every time denigrating the racism and the fool perpetuating it. It never pushed a racist message… at least from what my memory can recall all these decades afterwards.
I think the two that come immediately to mind are racist general who is clearly looney toons asking a black soldier to dance cause its in his blood, properly being demonstrated as off his rocker and crazy to believe such racist bullshit and just a downright mockery of those who think like that.
and there was the one where the guy didnt want blood from any black person, and they spend the episode fucking with him with makeup and claiming he got the wrong color blood… and the episode ends with him thanking them for giving him something to think about, then salutes a black woman before leaving.
racist general who is clearly looney toons asking a black soldier to dance cause its in his blood
Weirdly enough, that role was played by the actor who portrayed Colonel Potter in later seasons.
Back when TV was like, “sure, we’ll cast you in the same show in a different role three times.”
Columbo practically thrived on it. “William Shatner is the murderer again?”
MASH also had a Black character in the first season whose nickname was “Spearchucker Jones,” which is supposedly justified by him being a former javelin athlete (which strikes me as coming from the “Quiet has to be dressed in clubwear while doing Serious Military Stuff because she breathes through her skin!” school of poorly-justified writing choices). It also suffers from the conceit of Hawkeye being simultaneously the moral center of the show, and a shameless womanizer whose conquests only exist in the context of the show for as long as it takes him to bed them.
I love MASH for what it is, but there are aspects of it that are clearly of its era, which we wouldn’t repeat in modern television. I think you can either accept that society has moved on from where it was in the 70s and 80s, or you can be like Seinfeld and be mad that you’re no longer allowed to play sexism and racism for laughs with the perpetrator framed as the good guy.
Man, that reminds me of that idiot Shatner claiming that Star Trek wasn’t political back in the day…
MAS*H had an episode in 1974 about the injustice of a decorated soldier having to fear being dishonorably discharged for being a homosexual. That was way, way ahead of its time.
And guess what… they went woke and haven’t aired a new episode in DECADES.
Checkmate libs.
That is utter nonsense. I remember watching it in re-runs more than once.
Why do people lie about shit like this?
that comment was a joke
Noticing cultural mores and mocking them isn’t going away unless you’re a control freak fascist gains power.
Also his frame of reference is TV shows that aired at specific times. Few people under 60 watch TV like that anymore. Where is the funny stuff? On the fucking streaming services, YouTube, TikTok, etc.
Its wild to me that he can’t recognize that the media landscape is a fundamentally different beast than it was in the 1970s or even the 1990s. People don’t sit down to all collectively watch one thing at this point, the family gathering around the TV each night is dead. Hell, I think it was a central theme of a South Park episode, you know, that ribald show with the vulgar jokes that is pretty much the artistic vision of two specific creators doing whatever they want creatively–a show you’d be amazed to find still exists the way people talk about the contemporary state of comedy.
Like buddy, primitime shows have become 60% police procedurals aimed at an aging audience still primarily watching TV. That ain’t because the “PC” crowd has demanded it LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XieGJCKk9Ms here’s the new bohemia that has me laughin my ass off. Wrt standups and writing rooms oprev generations? Ive always loved comedy but these punch-down clowns are wearing out their own welcome.
Jerry Seinfeld has never been considered a controversial comic. His jokes are all very tame observational humor. If he’s complaining he’s getting canceled by the “woke mob” (whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean), it’s probably not for that reason. Either his material just isn’t funny or he’s being genuinely bigoted/racist and trying to hide it behind a smokescreen of comedic license.
What’s the deal with being woke?
What’s the deal with wokeline food?
Majority Report just did a segment on how ridiculous Jerry sounds with this crap
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Maybe he just stopped being interested in people.
He did his part thats for sure. I never thought he was remotely funny. How that show he had made it past season 1 is the question.
I listened to much of the interview on the radio. He touched on a lot of good points and then came to the absolutely wrong conclusion. He talked about how many writing rooms are “writing by committee” where jokes will go through a review by many different groups. If this is truly the case (I don’t know) that is not an issue if the “far left mob” but rather the enshitification of comedy due to corporations and Wall Street bankrolling these productions wanting to ensure return on investment. This kills creativity by reducing risks. Topical comedy is a risky medium by default.
Also, shout out to Rob McElhenney for his sarcastic one word response. In Jerry’s imagined world, It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia can’t exist.
But the thing is… writing by committee has always been the norm- including for Seinfeld, which makes me wonder how much he was actually involved in the writing process.
The very idea of a writer’s room is writing by committee.
I got the sense he meant more that it would go up through business-side committees to double check the work and make sure it wasn’t inappropriate. If that was the case that again would be an indication of corporations being risk adverse.
That’s also always been the case.
It’s stupid for Jerry Seinfeld, of all people, to claim that executives don’t constantly meddle in shows to make sure audiences don’t get pissed off.
people seeing issues brought about by capitalism and concluding that the people who are fighting against capitalism are the REAL problem, a tale as old as time.
You really think the average Barbie-watching lefty can be equated to the communism bordering Lemmy dweller? Please, just because they’re not on the right doesn’t make them the same.
Had to look up said response and I agree. For anyone else looking, here’s a screenshot of what I found:
But see, he wants it to be funny because he thinks making fun of homeless people is funny. It would instead be funny because of how fucking stupid Kramer is. That’s really the big turn in recent comedy: laughing at bad characters doing shitty things (and usually getting their comeuppance) instead of laughing at shitty things happening to people.
The first season of its always Sunny would definitely be canceled today.
I see platforms cancelling or existing episodes and seasons all the time, there’s is still up
That’s because it already has a huge following. I’m saying if that season one debuted now it would. Just like tropic Thunder hasn’t been pulled but I doubt they’d let it today
I really don’t know, you may be right. I feel like that whole season was them tackling tough to swallow social issues by making themselves idiots at best or bigots at worst, but the satire and irony was clear in their intent to expose as as an outdated way to think.
Too
nuanced-compicated and fancy for today’s viewing public.Soon it will all be farts and nutshots.
Good comedy is made for the time period its in!?! WHO WOULDA THOUGHT?
Thats the point, what you can air has absolutely changed. yet diwnvotes fir atating that fact
And what could air when Tropic Thunder came out had absolutely changed from the 10 years before that, the times change, who knew
That’s always the last bastion of people arguing against it happening. Throwing up their hands and saying “things change”.
Wow, what an insightful addition to the discussion you absolute dingus. Nobody is denying that things change, what is argued is that the overly woke mindset has a negative effect on said evolution. Maybe next year when your favourite orange man gets back in the office, we’ll just throw up our hands and say that things change without asking the question why we got there, sound like a plan to you? Or do you think that sometimes it might be a good idea to reflect on why we end up where we do?
A dislike for conservatism does not mean that every change is progress, you know.
The first season doesn’t even come close to the worst things the gang did.
It wouldnt even make it to season 2 though
No, no it wouldn’t.
Yeah, things were so much less politically correct in- *checks notes* 2005.
What the fuck are you talking about?
People could still laugh at themselves, and people still recognized absurdity for what it was.
People still laugh at themselves now. People still recognize absurdity for what it is. Go watch a show like Abbott Elementary.
I have seen that show, and it was good, but alao focused to meet network standards that evolve glacially.
Its not standup.
Sorry… you think shows in 2005 weren’t focused? Really? I don’t know what golden age of comedy you think 2005 was, but it wasn’t one.
Chapelle Show, Its Always Sunny, several others from this very thread. Yes golden comedy was happening in 2005.
Even the Bill Burr Philly Rant is from 2006.
Good shit.
Edit: and Tough Crowd had just ended. Sadly.
The man defended Kramer after he hurled slurs and abuse at minorities at one of his shows. His opinions on comedy and bigotry are worthless.
As a comedian you either die funny or live long enough to become a reactionary shit bag.
They have not killed comedy. The pushback has been glorious.
He dated a 17 year-old when he was almost 40. I don’t think that can be emphasized enough.
And while it has nothing to do with his out-of-touch boomer shit-takes on comedy, it does make me think he makes poor decisions. And is gross.
What’s the deal with kids these days!?
Especially the 17-year-olds!
If that’s all it took to kill comedy, it probably wasn’t worth saving.
When your brand of comedy deals heavily in the prejudices of a time (and most do) be prepared to adapt when times change. If you can’t or won’t, your career ends. That’s comedy, Jerry.
