Like it or not, email is a critical part of our digital lives. It’s how we sign up for accounts, get notifications, and communicate with a wide range of entities online. Critics of email rightfully point out that email suffers from a significant number of flaws that make it less than ideal, but that doesn’t change the current reality. In light of that reality, I believe that an encrypted email provider is a must-have for everyone in today’s age of rampant data breaches, insider threats, warrantless police access, and targeted advertising. If I can get access to your emails, I can get a range of sensitive information including where you bank (to craft more convincing phishing attacks), information about pets (I get notifications each year from the vet for my cats’ annual checkups), calendar reminders, news announcements from family, support tickets from services you use, and more. In a worse case scenario, if I get access to the account itself, it’s trivial to simply issue password reset requests for nearly any of those accounts, have it to sent to said compromised email account, and gain access to a wide number of other accounts you use – from banking to shopping and more – for any number of reasons. So this week, let’s look into the top encrypted email providers The New Oil recommends and their features to help decide which one is right for you.

    • calm.like.a.bomb@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Yes, and both have proprietary clients. I have proton and I’m in the process to moving away mainly because I can’t use their calendar and contacts natively in Android. Not sure about Tuta, but I never liked them.

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          Yes, Proton Mail Bridge. I use it with KMail, works pretty well, I’d say.

          Edit: I think this client is only for desktop, however. Android users will have to find another option.

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          You don’t have 100% privacy as long as you send mails to people and services that don’t support proton’s encryption. If I wasn’t privacy I can always use gpg.

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        Same calendar doesn’t give notification unless I open it. I’m just looking to replace Google.

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          It works for me in GrapheneOS, should work on regular Android, too? What I’m missing is a dedicated Proton contacts application including integration into the phone app.

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            Check your battery optimization, so if you go to the app in your settings turn off all battery optimization. Just did this, not sure how well it’s going to work, but, maybe

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          Huh, works fine for me for nearly a year now. The only thing I still use google calendar for are some shared calendars.

          After proton adds Standard Notes. I’m hoping google maps will be the last product I’m tied to.

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            I think I figured it out, it was some battery optimization settings. Now just waiting for contact integration into the phone

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      This has been the answer for years now and sill be the answer for at least the next few years as well

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        Let’s see what europes e2ee ban will bring. Proton is one of the “high risk” services mentioned in the bills debate. Might not be too long before you have to host your own mail server if you want privacy in europe.

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          I’m probably going to downvoted to hell with this… But didn’t people say Proton might be a government Op, even Tuta was mentioned as a honeypot in a recent Court case, so they released a blog post titled: Tuta is not a honeypot…

          Idk… my guts tell me, if something is too good to be true, then it’s not true… Proton offerings are amazing for a free plan… And their clients looks good and they sponsor YT channels… I used to be happy to see an Open source project succeed as a business, but the concept of honeypots, made me rethink my view

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            You thinking it’s a honeypot is a win for the government. All they need to do is spread some propaganda instead of actually bothering to run a service that is hard to keep alive. And if they were to run a honeypot, having it outside 14 eyes countries would be the most stupid decision the government could make.

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              You thinking it’s a honeypot is a win for the government. All they need to do is spread some propaganda

              Good point, but I didn’t think of it that way just because, I saw things and read stuff that made me suspect it…

              to run a service that is hard to keep alive. And if they were to run a honeypot

              But they did, and it worked for them before, and it’ll always work unless no one start using that service, so there’s no point in keeping servers operational… time for a rebrand. plus they’re getting paid.

              having it outside 14 eyes countries would be the most stupid decision the government could make.

              having it outside the US ( if we’re talking about the US ) maybe, but the 14 eyes… It’s just s story at this point, even countries outside the 14 eyes spy on their citizens and make secret deals… So…

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            @electro1 @ISOmorph imagine your enemy has infinite money, manpower, and resources to turn against you.

            why would the DoD give away a weapon like TOR?

            why would satoshi release bitcoin at 51% difficulty?

            why would Putin allow for the grotesque corruption of the oligarch state?

            because they have the other half.

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              because they have the other half.

              could you please elaborate, or matter of fact, ELI5…

              Isn’t the whole purpose of having power and control, is to have it all, or make it appear that you’re not in control?

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            Idk… my gut tells me… didn’t people say… might be… I’m probably going to be down voted to hell… if something’s too good to be true…

            What a ridiculous response.

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                I quoted the bits that answer your question and which completely undermine the bits I didn’t quote.

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                  first of it’s a comment not a response… secondly, you quoted everything in wrong order to make it appealing to further ridicule, which brings me to my last but not least point, is that what you do? you find something ridiculous and get your dopamine kick by saying how ridiculous it is!

                  I quoted the bits that answer your question and which completely undermine the bits I didn’t quote

                  Not what I asked, I don’t see ridiculousness in my comment, so if you care to reply with feedback, please do, otherwise stop bothering me

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    Why people still promoting proton ? Private company will not defending your private data against States. There not Unions or independent organization, there are running for profits. If you don’t see it as a safety issue, think again. Proton sold IP addresses used by XR using their services to the french intelligence.

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      No company executive will go to jail for you. Give any company a court signed order and they will comply. Hence, the companies that orient around privacy limit the data they retain so that when they get a court order, they have nothing to give. Email is flawed by design, so some metadata always has to be stored for it to be functional.

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    Both Proton and Tuta are great choices. Of the two, I prefer Proton simply because Tuta’s UI makes my head implode.

    But for my every day, general email usage, I have gone with Posteo.de. They are pretty cool and work seamlessly with any email client of your choice (no need for Bridge, or the like).

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      A lot of lists for private alternative email services start and and with Proton, seemingly. Services like Posteo, Mailbox, Hushmail, Fastmail, etc are frequently overlooked. It’s a shame because many of these other services are great and Proton is one of the most expensive and not suitable for everyone. I’ve been with Posteo for years and I have nothing but praise for it.

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    Has anyone tried self-hosting on a NAS or similar? I’d be interested to hear the practicalities of it, I imagine it’s not exactly set or forget, and the realities of the enshittified internet present some obstacles, like ending up in spam filters etc.