This could be a great way to lower inflation. Just keep holding Trump in contempt and taking the fines out of circulation.
Or maybe we can use the fines to fund mass transit expansion.
When does this raise questions of precedent? Is everyone entitled to 10 violations of a gag order in NYC now?
This is the second time in this criminal trial (all previous ones have been civil trials), and this me the judge stated that fines are clearly not working and that jail time could be necessary if it keeps happening.
Yes I knew we’ll all believe it when it happens, but it is different now that he’s in criminal court and the maximum fine has been dealt both for the first and second infringement.
Only if you can afford $10k/hr
Sounds like a small fraction of what Stormy should’ve charged
Yes, if they can pay the $10,000 fine.
The judge said everyone gets warnings and fines before jail time. If he could, he’d issue a large fine, but he can’t because state law caps the fine at $1,000 per violation. The judge acknowledged that a $10,000 fine for a multi-millionaire isn’t even a punishment, but immediately jailing someone because they can easily afford the fine seemed wrong. Trump violated the gag order 10 times before being officially told to stop, so the judge is lumping them all into a “first” violation. He said the “second” violation absolutely will be punished with jail time. We’ll see.
…but immediately jailing someone because they can easily afford the fine seemed wrong.
No it doesn’t, not even a little bit! Restrictions on their time are the only things rich people understand; they should be jailed instead of fined early and often.
And then they get the case cancelled because it’s clearly bias against them that they don’t get to just pay the same fee as anyone else as a first warning.
Lol…that’s not how it works. You don’t get a case cancelled for the judge holding someone in contempt…
You do if it’s Trump and he uses it to question the judge’s neutrality.
How long do you think before they replace the judge and get things started again? If you believe it won’t be long enough to get him elected then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Bullshit fixed-value fines are only a deterrent for poors.
As is intended
Fines not tied to income are a joke
IMO It’s not always that simple. Yes some countries do this but it can also backfire (and has). Some examples:
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unfairly targeting rich people in order to help the town budget
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previous annual incomes may be vastly different from current monthly wages (furloughed etc.)
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punishment being spun as a political tool similar to trump’s martyrs
Wow first bullet is a fascinating point, seems obvious now. Great insight!
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Putting him on jail is what he wants. He will use that to make his political martyr stance. It will escalate tension in his ranks and possibly result in violence. He can use all of it in his favor bc his people believe anything.
Then do it and leave him there until he apologizes. He’s such a weak little baby. He can’t handle a few days in a cell.
Putting him in jail is what he wants.
shrugs
If he wants to have a conflict with the government to try to get the faithful riled up, he can induce it one way or another. It could be violating a court order or just directly breaking some law.
If that’s what he’s aiming for, I’m not sold that this is is a clever tactic that would play in his favor. I’m sure that there are people who it’ll get worked up. But the flip side is that winning a general election is entails convincing the center. And I am not at all sure that what people want, across-the-board, is more circus. I think that the people for whom it’d be compelling are weighted towards the people who are already gonna vote and vote for him. I think that the people for whom it’d be a turn-off are likely weighted towards the people who are at risk of not voting for him.
I never said it was a smart play but he will use it, just like the mugshot. That didn’t hurt him but instead fueled a boost in the polls. Polls don’t mean shit but he got a boost. We have a weak sitting president and Trump uses outrage as a fuel. He will capitalize on it. Instead, fine him a large amount and show he’s a broke bitch. That will do a lot more.
Bet
Please stop violating the rules or else I will lightly more consider jail time, through my words alone, and give you an 11th warning.
What happened to the “3 strikes and you’re out”?
Next would be the actual third strike. This was the second finding of contempt.
If you put him in jail for a weekend, he’ll be treated like a martyr and will be treated like a king by the cops and guards, who are surely his own supporters.
So what will change? NOTHING. Except maybe he’ll stfu
Not if he breaks.
Yes, if he breaks… His supporters have literally taken the stance of “wearing diapers and shitting your pants is manly.”
If he breaks, it’s because that’s what a man does. Hell, if video came out of him going down on some dude, you’d see all his homophobic followers wear “I suck dick for Trump” shirts, loud and proud, and with no hint of irony.
Nothing matters to them anymore except Trump, so nothing Tru.o does can dissuade them… They’ll just change whatever they like/hate to stay on the team.
Even if they put him in jail, it’d be like when Capone went. He’ll get his own cell by himself with a TV to watch fox news on, they’ll give him a phone to tweet his bullshit, probably a personal chef to make him Big Macs and Diet Cokes.
This isn’t the case that’s gonna fix the justice system, even if we did throw him in jail.
Is it bad that I would sorta like to see that? The tshirt thing that is.
That’s no excuse to help him avoid jail or prison. Nobody should give a damn whether it causes his followers to act out. America can handle them.
Honestly. I am so sick of hearing “he’ll be a martyr” as if it’s a certainty. It’s excusing not giving him consequences.
I’m not making it an excuse to keep him out of jail. I’m just stating a fact. Prepare for it.
And? If his followers riot throw them in jail too. Tired of the legal system tip toeing around right wingnuts. They don’t do it for anyone else.
Better arm up then, if you want things to get more explosive
So your stance is he should be above the law because you’re scared of the maga klan
No. I never said he should be let off. I’m saying go ahead and jail him, but don’t act like it’s gonna be quiet and calm. Arm up.
Nice. I got contempt of court once and spent the weekend in jail. No ifs ands or buts about it. Judge wouldn’t even let me hand my house keys to my partner. Lol
What a fucking joke.
The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal. I realize it’s absurd, but if he’s thrown in jail without significant warning then they’ll argue it biased the already liberal jury (cause NYC) against him too much.
(I am not a lawyer, that’s just my understanding.)
The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal.
If you believe this shit, you’re fooling yourself. Guy’s gotten ten warnings when any off-the-street plaintiff would be lucky to get one. Not only will there be ammo for appeal, Merchan is building precedent of untouchability. My man is straight up announcing
The last thing I want to do is put you in jail.
I-fucking-magine this getting said during any other trial. How much more biased can a judge get?
I think you’re missing the forest for the trees here, check out some of the other comments here, it’s more complicated and nuanced than that IMO
Guy’s gotten ten warnings
Playing Devil’s Advocate here, but nine of those were all reviewed at the same time, and while the decision to group them all together and issue a final warning was pending, the tenth violation was committed. Technically, and this is a really big fuckin’ technically, he has not committed any violations since being put “on notice” that the monetary punishments are over and the jail time would start. They decided on one today that occurred before that decision, so they’re not holding it to the same standard.
I do believe the next violation will carry jail time, without a doubt. Trump has also mostly shut up since being put on notice as well because he doesn’t want to be put in a cell any more than you or I do.
But it is extremely, maddeningly frustrating that Trump has gotten away with it so far. The Judge’s decision today proves beyond a doubt that the law is not being equally applied in favor of Trump himself.
Honestly, I don’t know if I could be an impartial judge in this case, because knowing Trump I would have warned him the very second he stepped foot in the courtroom that he was already on notice and that he should expect jail time if even a single word escaped his mouth that is in violation of the gag order that was already in place. Maybe Judge Merchan is more magnanimous, more cool-headed, or simply too wary of the blowback from applying the law equally with a megalomaniac like Trump who has an army of idiots at his back. I don’t know. All I know is, I don’t think he’s out of line just yet, but hearing statements like “I don’t want to put you in jail” for a guy who is too rich for fines to have an impact on is not reassuring.
without significant warning
Hitler got a slap on the wrist because the judge was sympathetic. Same story here.
I think 11 contempt charges represents 10 more “significant warnings” than anyone else would get.
I legitimate appeals court would accept trumps argument and illegitimate courts aren’t going to care and just side with Trump anyhow.
This isn’t for appeals… it’s for mass consumption; and it’s a massive miscarriage of justice.
The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal.
It’s still treating Trump different than most. If it’s such a problem to put Trump in jail, why isn’t it for any random person?
The stakes are genuinely higher for the court (and the nation) than in your average trial. Gotta be careful.
It’s still treating Trump different than most.
Of course it is.
If it’s such a problem to put Trump in jail, why isn’t it for any random person?
Because he is a former president of the United States who is currently running for re-election. This situation is unique in American history. As much as we may dislike these facts, they are true. The judge is in uncharted waters here, and needs to be careful to avoid anything that can be construed as evidence of bias against the defendant. This trial will be under scrutiny for as long as we have a country.
It’s not fair that most defendants do not have the essentially limitless resources of the entire conservative political machine at their disposal to pay for their legal woes, but it is the reality of the situation.
The judge is in uncharted waters here, and needs to be careful to avoid anything that can be construed as evidence of bias against the defendant.
And in so doing, hold a bias for the asshole.
And in so doing, hold a bias for the asshole.
Criminal court is intended to be biased towards the defendant. Hence the “beyond a reasonable doubt” burden of proof.
(Obviously that bias is often not upheld properly, and plenty of people are railroaded by the system into unjust convictions.)
The court itself might be, but the judge isn’t supposed to be.
They have procedures and guidelines, for everything involved here. Procedures and guidelines that aren’t supposed to take “ex president” into account.
Judges aren’t supposed to allow anyone to intimidate, threaten or otherwise manipulate the witnesses or jury.
Remember- the people of NY are one of the parties; and all parties are entitled to a fair trial.
The judge is biased on the side of Justice. Getting the case thrown out out of principle wouldn’t help anyone but Trump.
That’s bullshit and you know it.
There are established rules and procedures. When you fudge them on one side, to avoid appearing biased to the other….
That is itself bias. against your “side of justice”.
This judge is afraid of Trump; and in his fear making a mockery of justice. You know it, I know it, and Trump knows it. Even the judge knows it.
Yeah so let’s treat him the same way as anyone else so he can use that as an excuse to stop the procedure against him, that will sure show him!
Of all the cases where people want the judge to treat the accused the same way they would be treated in order to prove a point, this is probably the worst one.
I would make a terrible judge, because I don’t see how this is uncharted territory. Sure, it’s unprecedented, but that doesn’t mean we don’t know what to do.
Our entire government is made up of citizens, that was the whole point in fighting a war to get rid of an unjust monarchy, ruling from afar.
Trump is a citizen, if he broke the law he needs to go to jail. If he breaks the law during the trial, he should receive the same punishment as any other citizen would. Doing anything else just means we have a 2 tier justice system.
The fact that he has fucked up 10 times and is still a free man is ridiculous. All the judge has done is show trump that he can do whatever he wants and face no repercussions. If you did something 10 times, and then someone gets mad the 11th, you wouldn’t say “sorry my bad” you’d say “why are you mad, I do this all the time”
This country is a joke
Judge ain’t gonna do shit.
Doesn’t this create a precedence for being a dick to judges because they let it slide for Drowsy Don and everyone is supposed to be treated equally in front of court? I wonder what would happen if I were to be found in contempt of court for the 10th time in my trial.
He’s not been warned ten times. It’s ten violations. The first nine happened as a block. So this is his second strike, in terms of how often he’s been reprimanded for this.
It does! Tempted to start a campaign educating the accused on their rights to harass judges and staff.
You’ll run into less trouble if you just accept the fact that some people are more equal than others.
Everyone knows “11 strikes and you are out”.
11 in binary is 3, so…
Goddamn I love a math joke.
Well played.
“threatens” lmao ok let me know when you’re actually gonna do something
The judge should shut up and let actions speak. Pussy judge.
That judges threats are emptier than an Donald Trumps head.
Don’t be fooled by the “10th time”. There were 9 separate violations that were all brought as a single complaint last week. So technically one “time” (as in, one ruling), just regarding 9 separate tweets so technically nine separate incidents. Number ten here is basically Donnie’s second strike in terms of actual warnings. If he gets a third without repercussions, then I think it’ll be fair to say the judge may be bluffing.
Remember, judges have to play things a little softly if they don’t want to set up precedent for appeal. He can’t give Trump any reason to claim he’s being treated unfairly. Two warnings is perfectly reasonable.
“Just 15 or 20 more times, mister! I’m not kidding this time!”
You guys rip on me 13 or 14 more times and I’m out of here. ~basketball
You should be ashamed of yourselves!
Back in the driveway, we were nothing!
Now we’ve risen to the highest level, but you’re throwin’ it all away!
If you’ve forgotten what baseketball means to America, you have only to look at this board - the Malaka-Laka Balance Board of Trust.
Don’t you see what we have here?
A game where guys with bad backs and bad knees can… get together and compete on the same field as guys that are all goosed up on steroids.
But more than anything, isn’t this game about gettin’ together with your friends and just havin’ a good time?
I remember. I remember a long time ago, I didn’t have anybody.
You guys took me in. I guess that’s why it kills me to see you like this.
If we can’t be friends… then the heart and soul are out of this game. Certainly out of me. I know I’ll never get that back again.
We have sullied the waters of the Lagoon of Peace!
I’m begging you, for the love of our Caribbean brothers, dudes, stop this madness!
I don’t know why I hang out with you guys!
Your mom’s dating SQUEAK!
Dude
It’s 2 times. The first 9 violations were assessed as a block (it was 9 separate tweets). So this is only his second warning.
Given that the judge doesn’t want to get the case thrown out on appeal, two warnings is perfectly reasonable.
Look, buddy… Your reasonabilitiness is getting in the way of my pissedoffedness. Meet me back here in two weeks so one of us can say “See? I told you so!”
I’ll have to check my schedule, I think I already have an angry screaming match scheduled around that time.
They can only fine $1000 per violation, so that’s basically useless for stopping trump. Hopefully they’ll escalate to jail time.
