This is death spiral shit. I probably look on national service more favourably than the average person and I know you cannot just throw it out as a desperate Hail Mary without building a huge amount of consensus.
If you made it a volunteer with benefits program that tries to offer skills based placement you could literally call it free job experience and a shitton of college grads would be thanking you for doing it, the problem is the command with nothing to gain and the implied threat of what you’ll lose behind it being mandatory.
I’m an American who doesn’t follow UK politics too much, but this feels like political suicide type stuff. Am I right in thinking that?
Like he was already polling bad, how the fuck is “You see that war to the east young people? Isn’t that scary? Anyway, you gotta serve now” supposed to gain him literally any support.
I feel like even the stereotypical old conservative would be hesitant about possibly voting to send their grandchildren to war.
They know the young won’t vote for them anyway, so they’re hoping this will do something to stem the tide with the rest of the population who would have to do the service
So they’ve decided to possibly sacrifice the young in the name of getting the middle and older aged peoples votes? And the only other policy proposal I’ve heard from him is flying people to Rwanda to “fix” immigration?
Jesus Christ your politics suck. Hopefully, yall vote them out and fix things a bit.
What kind of older person thinks “Hell yeah! I want to send my kids off to war!”?
People who’s kids have grown up but are too poor to be able to have kids of their own?
People who know that their own actual kids won’t be sent. Just the poor kids whilst their own kids get bone spurs.
It’s worse than that, they have an existential crisis due to older voters not wanting them. For decades as people got older they started getting more conservative (small c) in their views. This has stopped happening on a scale that it once did.
Their voters are literally dying and not being replaced. It’s mainly because people around the world have not been able to generate wealth and assets to the extent that generations before them have.
Good fucking riddance to them all.
The point here is that the British conservatives are on the death row and they know it. They just try to break as many things they can get their hand on to a) make it more painful for the next government to fix it and b) squeeze as much value out of it for their cronies. That is British politics in a nutshell.
I can’t wait for the Government to release hardened criminals from our overcrowded prisons years early so they can fill the them with these uncooperative draft-dodgers. Truly we are living in the best timeline.
I remember when Carter tried to reactivate the US military draft. It didn’t go well. Young people hated it. Their parents hated it. Their grandparents hated it. Businesses hated it. Colleges hated it. The military hated it. Only Jimmy Carter seemed to love it.
Reagan won the next election in a landslide.
People aren’t reading. It’s a national service where you volunteer for something. 30,000 spots are in the military but theres around 700k kids turning 18 each year, other spots are the NHS, fire service, etc.
I think it’s a daft gimmick, but it’s not a draft.
Don’t the armed forces themselves dislike conscription? Flooding in loads of kids who resent being there and are only popping in for a year can’t be good for a professional fighting force.
I suspect that they haven’t been consulted. He doesn’t seem to consult his own MPS when announcing an election so it wouldn’t be that surprising if it turns out he hasn’t consulted the military on this one either.
Good point. It makes it even more hot air. If managed to win and tried to bring it in I can see push back not just from those that would be called to but also from the civil and armed forces that it affects. It’s pulling resources away from them doing their actual jobs to childmind kids who would rather be anywhere else for 25 days.
Ha. I ain’t fighting for this shit hole, unless we getting invaded and even then I see if the invader might be better than what we got now.
At this rate, they’re going to need 18-year-olds to do national service as Tory MPs.
The Conservative arseholes are just throwing this out to get old people to vote for them in the general election.
I think its main purpose is to turn the news agenda away from the economy.
I’m not so sure. “Vote for us and we’ll bring back national service” is the new “vote for us and we’ll give you a vote on leaving the eu”.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Conservative Party has said it would bring back mandatory national service if it wins the general election.It said 18-year-olds would have a choice of either joining the military full-time, or volunteering one weekend every month carrying out a community service.The party is proposing a Royal Commission to consider the details but would plan for the first teenagers to take part in September 2025.The cost is expected to be around £2.5bn per year.Under the plans, young people could choose a full-time, 12-month placement in the armed forces or UK cyber defence, learning about logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations.Their other option would be to volunteer one weekend per month - or 25 days per year - in their community with organisations such as fire, police and the NHS.Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he believed bringing back compulsory service across the UK would help foster the “national spirit” that emerged during the pandemic.Mr Sunak said: “This is a great country but generations of young people have not had the opportunities or experience they deserve and there are forces trying to divide our society in this increasingly uncertain world.“I have a clear plan to address this and secure our future.
I will bring in a new model of National Service to create a shared sense of purpose among our young people and a renewed sense of pride in our country.
"The prime minister said the move would help young people to learn “real world skills, do new things and contribute to their community and our country”.
A Labour Party spokesperson called the announcement “another desperate £2.5 billion unfunded commitment from a Tory Party which already crashed the economy, sending mortgages rocketing, and now they’re spoiling for more.“This is not a plan – it’s a review which could cost billions and is only needed because the Tories hollowed out the armed forces to their smallest size since Napoleon,” the spokesperson said.Liberal Democrat defence spokesperson Richard Foord MP accused the Tories of cutting troop numbers.Mr Foord said: "If the Conservatives were serious about defence, they would reverse their damaging cuts to our world class professional armed forces, instead of decimating them, with swingeing cuts to the number of our regular service personnel.
This Conservative government has cut troop numbers and is planning more cuts to the size of the Army.In the UK, National Service - the country’s old name for conscription - ended in 1960.The Conservatives said the move would help ensure young people who are unemployed or not in education or training, and those disproportionately represented in the criminal justice system, are diverted away from “lives of unemployment and crime”.The party said national service would provide “valuable work experience” and “ignite a passion for a future career in healthcare, public service, charity or the armed forces”.A number of European countries, including Sweden, Norway and Denmark, already have a form of conscription for their armed forces.Conscription requires young men and women to serve for a limited time in uniform.
It means that some of the population will have had some military training - and can then be assigned to reserve units should war break out.Cuts in the British Army have seen its size fall from more than 100,000 in 2010 to around 73,000 as of January 2024.
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The cost is expected to be around £2.5bn per year.
Oh no no no. This is setting up to pay with lives.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he believed bringing back compulsory service across the UK would help foster the “national spirit” that emerged during the pandemic.
Do you hear how that sounds? Or do you intend how that sounds?
Compulsory national service for some, tiny little flags for others.
Cool. There are a lot of people in the UK that have no interest in doing anything for the UK. Will be good to make people more British.
There some long running families that contribute to defence, police or firefighting. Then there are others that have never contributed and just take.
Everyone contributes to society by paying tax. Ordering people to do a specific job is not cool.
Not everyone contributes tax and not everyone contributes more than they get out. In fact most don’t. There is more to society than just tax and people don’t contribute to the UK.
Also it isn’t about making people do a specific job. It’s in the article.
Have you ever bought luxury goods such as most food or clothes? Well then, you paid VAT. I’d love to hear what stats you’re pulling out of your arse that say otherwise!
Most people take more from the government than they pay in.
Look it up.
No mate, you look up the outlandish claim and share it with the rest of us so we don’t think you’re chatting shit
This has the be the stupidest, most ignorant, laziest, most confidently incorrect, economically illiterate website in the world.
How is the office of national statistics okay as a source for such an outlandish claim, that I’m chatting shit about?
“The proportion of people living in households receiving more in benefits than they paid in taxes decreased from 55.0% to 53.8% in FYE 2022”
Fuck me it’s tiring coming on here and trying to talk to people. Why are people so confident and things they know fuck all about? People need to learn how stupid they are about the economy, it’s mind blowing that people don’t even know!
OK, so you are technically correct. Hey, important referendums have been decided on smaller margins than 53.8%!
So do you just hate the benefit-scrounging bogeymen, or do you think that helping people isn’t the government’s job?
A bit rude to talk about the royals like that when the Queen has just died.
The Royal family do a lot more for the country, more than a lot of people.
But yea they get away with not doing a lot.
I contribute plenty. I volunteer for several charities including AgeUK and a local food bank and I give blood.
Want to make it mandatory? piss off.
Good for you.
A lot of people aren’t like you and I think the government should be doing more to get more out of the people. Things like happiness and wellbeing and safety is correlated with community and helping others.
Lots of this country has really gone to shit and could do with going to back to some of the ways in the past life was different.
Wasn’t it a lovely WW2?!
Would you be up for being compelled to give up a day a month to do good works? Not volunteering, mind, compelled.
Absolutely. Think it would be good for me, the community and the country.
So, if I gave you some volunteering contacts as links, would you commit to starting next month for me? Or would it take a threat of fines/court action?
Obvious troll is obvious.
I’d rather my kids were taught to benefit the whole of humanity rather than be trained as a tool for one political parties ideologies.
Good job they have the option then as mentioned in the article that we are talking about. It’s almost like you agree with me.
The best argument against national service?
The armed forces, whom it would affect, absolutely hate it.
Its about the country though not just the armed forced. Also isn’t not just armed forces, you can read it in the article.
Swap “armed forces” with “fire service”, “NHS” or “the police”, and the point is exactly the same.
Unfortunately most people only see the military side of it (as per most of the comments on here), but it’s only one of the options. Getting people involved isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I wouldn’t mind spending a weekend a month doing cyber defence or learning about logistics, but at 67 am probably a bit old for that. Although I have just completed a 3 month cyber security course ;-)
Sunak really wants out.
lol yes
Wants out to help out
Gotta keep the meet grinder fed, whether people want it or not…
Absolute barrel scraping nonsense. And it’s only day three of the campaign!
Really going all in on making sure the youth vote for somebody else.
It’s like a political version of The Producers at this point, although hopefully without making them accidentally popular.
