Donald Trump said he would accept home confinement or jail time after his historic conviction by a New York jury last week but that it would be tough for the public to accept.
“I’m not sure the public would stand for it,” the Republican presidential candidate told Fox News in an interview that aired on Sunday. “I think it’d be tough for the public to take. You know, at a certain point, there’s a breaking point.”
Trump did not elaborate on what he thought might happen if that point is reached. He is scheduled to be sentenced July 11, four days before Republicans gather to formally choose their presidential nominee to face Democratic President Joe Biden in November’s election.
Asked what Trump supporters should do if he were jailed, Republican National Committee Co-Chair Lara Trump told CNN: “Well, they’re gonna do what they’ve done from the beginning, which is remain calm and protest at the ballot box on November 5th. There’s nothing to do other than make your voices heard loud and clear and speak out against this.”
I sure hope so.
There’s a significant number of Trumpers who are just itching to put on their
brown shirtsred hats and start wreaking violence.At this point, it’s not really a question of if they do it, but just of when. On that point at least, Trump is right. He just doesnt acknowledge the fact that the reason those people are reaching a breaking point is that he’s self-servingly fed them a steady diet of propaganda and hatred.
So they’re going to go off the rails - they’re vtoo ignorant and too angry and too misled to do anything else.
The worst-case scenario would be that they do it after Trump has (god forbid) been elected. Because then they’re going to get official sanction. They really will be the new brownshirts.
The best-case scenario is that they do it soon, and in response to Trump being rightfully sentenced for the crimes of which he has been rightfully convicted. In that case, they’re going to have neither the illusion of legitimacy nor official sanction, and they’ll just reveal themselves as the lawless, petulant, violent asshats they are.
Now you keep saying that term…brown shirts…what do UPS delivery drivers have to do with this?
95% sure you’re making a joke, but in case you (or anyone else) actually doesn’t know: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
And hopefully either held in jail without bond or be convicted felons who can’t vote.
Is it explicitly stated whom a president may not pardon (eg, themselves)?
If so, no reason to anyone to do anything if he’s elected
If he’s elected, they’ll have free rein to do whatever they want to whoever they want, and they will.
Him being sent to prison would just be a trigger to release the hatred and urge to violence that’s already festering inside them. That hatred and urge to violence is still going to be there if he’s elected - it’ll just manifest a bit differently.
For this particular case, he couldn’t pardon himself because the president can pardon federal crimes, but in this case the crime is in the New York state court system, so the governor of New York would have to pardon him to my understanding.
The president can only pardon those convicted of federal crimes. He was convicted of state crimes in New York state, and only the governor of New York can pardon those convicted of crimes at the state level.
So he’s just gonna strong arm then into doing it.
There’s nothing saying he can’t pardon himself, but a president can only pardon for federal crimes.
Right with ya. Problem is, the vast majority of Americans are ignorant of history and have a, “Can’t happen here!” attitude.
Fascism isn’t coming, it’s here, now, today.
You have it right on the best/worst case scenarios. Best case might sober enough people up to turn the ride. Otherwise we’re sleepwalking into this.
Highly recommend the Podcast It Could Happen Here with Robert Evans.
I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.
Iran was a secular, liberal monarchy until almost 1980 when an Islamic theocracy was installed with public approval, it could happen here.
Well, they’re gonna do what they’ve done from the beginning, which is remain calm and protest at the ballot box on November 5th. There’s nothing to do other than make your voices heard loud and clear and speak out against this.
From the party that literally lead a violent insurrection intended to overthrow the government and install Trump as a dictator for life.
And they’ll do it again in 2029. The most important part of that quote is their commitment to getting him another crack at it.
Vote in November.
Fuck me don’t say 2029. I feel my youth draining away
I feel you. I distinctly remember being inspired by a sci-fi show called Beyond 2000.
I’ve never seen anyone else mention that show. My brother and I used to watch it watch it all the time. It looks like it had a few different names/iterations, we watched The Discovery Channels verion in the U.S., in the early 90s.
That’s the one! I loved it. Such an intriguing and inspiring show. It would be interesting to watch it again to see what was actually developed.
It’s a ruse. MAGAs are planning and scheming, likely with Putin’s help. They will obstruct voting, corrupt results and use violence. The Republican party is in its death throes, replaced by the insane authoritarian MAGA party.
Vote - your life and your families lives depend on it.At every step of consequences a facsist will say:
If you hold me accountable, they’ll be consequences
What they leave out, is if we don’t hold fascists accountable, everyone in power starts acting like they’re not accountable. Before you know what’s going on, all the possible options are corrupt. And it’s no longer about winning, it’s about mitigating how much you’ll lose by.
But you always keep losing.
Let them go off. January 6th showed they are incompetent. Let them push their violence again and put much of the public against them again right before the election. They won’t accomplish anything of importance and they will show their hateful agenda isn’t what most of this country wants. Faced with it directly, most Americans aren’t ready for insurrection and domestic conflict. I think any reactionary violent attack right now will be the end of their movement.
The Beerhall putsch was terrible planned and executed as well. Past failure doesn’t necessarily mean they will continue to fail.
Yup. Except this time the president won’t hold back the military like Trump did.
Cult 45 is a bunch of pussies. How many of them are willing to die for a cheeto? There’s going to be enough military there this cult will get curb stomped in about .4 seconds. I hope they do, maybe it’ll take a few child molesters and a few future mass shooters off this planet.
It’ll be a breaking point for me, for sure. I’ll be breaking out the good booze.
I have a bottle of champagne that was a wedding gift.
We uncork it the day Trump goes to jail.
He’s right, it would make me drop whatever I’m doing and plan out a party that night. We should do it more often.
I’m trying to imagine what the day should be called?
“Grab em by the bussy” day?
Ah, I’m still working on it…
Trump already had the perfect name for it. Covfefe
July 4th: Independence Day
July 11th: Covfefe Day
Does anyone think those museum passes are worth getting or is it like discount gym memberships sold in December?
Ahhhhhhhhh yes, the breaking point, a fine California Champagne by Paul Masson.
Breaking news, breaking bread, breaking out the fine Chinah, breaking open a cold one with the boys. Everyone will forget after 15 minutes and he will be shoved into the dustbin of history. Real working people have been getting the shaft for decades, and he understands nothing of it. He capitalized on that misdirected anger but didn’t do squat for them except enrich himself. Just like 99% of of the politicians.
This guy projects harder than a Bell & Howell 3870 Overhead Projector with a transparency furiously marked up in permanent ink by the overworked teacher during lunch break in the staff room, right before a kid pukes up his Frankenberry pellets onto his desk and the janitor comes by and cleans it up with a cardboard box.
I don’t ever want to hear another republican ever utter the words “We’re the party of law and order” ever again…
They must mean the television show.
Law and Order, Special Victims Unit
That show wouldn’t exist under modern Republican rule.
How the fuck is stochastic terrorism not illegal?
Because we have free speech, and people have free will. Direct calls to violence are illegal, but if you say “won’t someone rid me of this troublesome Vice President”, then you’re not directing someone to do anything; any actions taken are on their own initiative. There isn’t even a “just following orders” defense.
It’s specifically because of this dumbass perspective on freedom of speech that this is happening. That exact logic is why we’re here. If you say nazi shit you should face dire consequences. We sentence people for smoking fucking weed but you can run around calling for civil war, calling for genocide of queer people, calling for the enslavement of women and minorities, and you’re telling me nothing should happen to you? You’re telling me saying “Hey, sure would be nice if someone bombed this children’s hospital that treats trans kids.” to your 15 million rabidly violent followers should not cause any consequences for you?
Fuck that. I’m so done with this concept of “free speech”. It’s why we’re here. It’s why fascism was able to make it this far in the first place. This idea that “anything goes the free market of ideas will sort itself out” isn’t just entirely wrong in every way it’s God damn dangerous. Letting antisemites/white supremacists/misogynists/queerphobes spread their ideology openly without consequences is evil. It’s evil.
“Free speech” seems to assume that words are neutral, that saying things affects nothing. A single spoken sentence can cause mass murder. A single tweet can cause someone to shoot up a hospital, or a school, or a family. A pattern of speech, a pattern of ideology, can create a genocide. At the Nuremberg trials we literally proved that in international law. Inciting a genocide was proven to be a crime against humanity, and those who promoted genocidal ideology in german media were found accountable for their crimes. Yes, even people who never lifted a gun and never told anyone to commit acts of mass violence.
Because we have free speech, and people have free will.
And it would be ridiculous to think that being a former president, especially a media lolcow like Trump, doesn’t land you a guaranteed platform anywhere, at any time.
As long as everything, everywhere is commercialized including our news, every outrageous character and outrageous political outcome and outrageous tragedy will be another billboard, another rope to pull in viewers and raise a bottom line. We need independent media, but we need them to also be independent from the Wrestlemania spectacle the current batch feeds on and nurtures and grows and makes worse every day.
It is but only for leftists. Thanks, McCarthy.
How you gonna wrap a law around it? Hell, even with something as “obvious” as this quote? Trump said nothing that “incites violence”. He’s playing the mob boss thing, again.
If 01/06 wasn’t enough for our government to take action, nothing will be. And again, what would that action even look like?
I’ve preached many, many times on here and reddit that libs need to get armed, educated and practiced. Is that terrorism? Fuck me. I’m just saying that the conservatives are ready to kill us and we should be prepared to defend ourselves.
You are aware that Trump was indicted for Jan 6 right? The trial is on hold while the Supreme Court decides if he is totally immune to legal consequences.
Which is just a delay tactic. They aren’t seriously considering it. If they did somehow declare president’s immune for any action, biden could drop a hellfire missile on Trump and the Supreme Court and probably get away with it.
Hold it off until after Trump is inaugurated and he could do whatever he wants.
I know a lot of people talk about civil war but if that happened I think that would actually pop off a civil war.
They do fine for, oh, the Panthers, black wall street, occupy wall street, war protesters, hippies…
Look, I hate Trump.
But I do think he is a symptom of a larger problem. There’s a bit portion of America – Blue and Red – that aren’t being served well by American politics. We have a huge homeless problem, millions can’t find good jobs, millions can’t afford to rent – let alone buy – homes. Higher education costs are through the roof. Health care costs are through the roof. (I guess I should move away from using the expression “through the roof” when discussing how many people are homeless, but I digress.)
We’ve got big problems and it doesn’t matter whether you’re Blue or Red or who you blame – those problems aren’t being addressed in a meaningful way.
Trump could disappear tomorrow (Are you listening, God? It’s America) and we’re still going to have a big portion of our country out of work, out of home and out of health with a bleak future to look forward to.
Desperate people turn to extremism and religion. I’m not excusing that behavior, I’m just pointing out that it doesn’t come from nowhere.
People that are happy, secure, treated justly/equally/fairly, have good incomes, can educate their kids, afford healthcare and can retire safely will not try to overthrow their government because there will be no one willing to listen to them.
There’s one party who has a lot of people who want to address the problems you point out. There is another party that wants to remove all ability of the government to address any of those problems you mention because they think that will solve the problems.
The problem with the former party is that they can never get a large enough majority to do anything about it. The way our government is set up, you need more than slim majority in both houses to get anything meaningful done, unless you can get everyone of the people in the party to line up behind it, any you’ll inevitably have hold outs.
Your post is just more of the “muh both sides!” nonsense. The problem isn’t that neither party listens, it’s that the one who wants to stop the government from being able to do anything about it keeps getting at least near 50% of the people to vote for them.
The kitchen is dirty, and it’s on fire.
Yes, the kitchen being dirty is a problem. It probably even contributed to the fire, and makes putting out the fire even harder.
But you have to put out the fire before you can worry about anything else.
Well said, can’t upvote this enough.
Stop playing the ‘both sides are the same song.’
The ACA was based on Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan because Obama wanted to make it easy for the GOP to swallow it.
If the US is in trouble it’s because one side has been trying desperately to screw the other and doesn’t case if the public suffers too.
Seriously. I’m so tired of seeing this “I hate Trump, but…” bullshit. Because that’s what it is – bullshit. Yes, we have problems, MUCH OF WHICH IS CAUSED BY THESE MORON CONSERVATIVES AS WELL AS THEIR GODKING!
Remember, Trump would never have won if the GOP leadership had done their job back in 2016. They were happy to follow him and even now they bow to him. The analogy I’ve been using goes like this; Trump’s the football coach who fed the team steroids and meth to win games, and the GOP leadership is the rest of the faculty trying to deal with the fact that the students are burning down the school.
The “both sides” argument is a cheap cop out to having a real talk.
Yes, the GOP is the primary obstruction, but the Democrats aren’t helping much either.
I vote D all the way down to dogcatcher, but I certainly don’t look to them to solve anything.
primary obstruction,
So, wouldn’t it make much more sense to deal with the main problem first?
People literally died in Trump’s coup attempt.
So, wouldn’t it make much more sense to deal with the main problem first?
Deal with it how?
Stop playing the ‘both sides are the same song.’
The ACA was based on Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan because Obama wanted to make it easy for the GOP to swallow it.
If the US is in trouble it’s because one side has been trying desperately to screw the other and doesn’t case if the public suffers too.
Literally my first comment.
You don’t like Joe and the DNC? Wait until after the election to say anything negative.
If he disapears tomorrow, maybe that’ll knock some sense into the republican party and they’ll get some actual politicians and work with the democrats instead of blindly voting no and anything they do, regardless of how good it is for people. These problems that you’re concerned about wouldn’t be problems if the right wasn’t trying to make the left look bad. So take the both sides shit and shove it up all the way up your ass.
Well, you’re right, but you’re missing the fact that Republicans work hard to make and keep these conditions, because their base is made up of the most disaffected people. They block healthcare reform, they block student debt relief, they block first time home buyer assistance - they block all the social programs that would ease these problems. Then they try to dismantle the government entities that work to help these things; did you notice how many of Trump’s appointees were vocally against the organizations he put them in charge of? Republicans want the government not to work so that they can say “See, it doesn’t work, we need smaller government,” and then they can get rid of the regulations and taxes that reduce the (already obscene) profits that corporations make.
So yes, you’re right, but it’s working as intended for the right.
I agree. I’m not missing the point that Republicans are the cause of this.
I’m (attempting) to point out that Trump is not the cause of our problems. He is the Republican party manifest and when he disappears, his creators will still be here… working on creating Trump II.
You’re right. But that would mean politicians would have to stop kowtowing to business, start re-regulating Wall St, and begin to support social justice cause (tax rules, public housing, business regulation, etc). So unfortunately it’s unlikely to happen because the whole gd world is so far down the rabbit hole we are blind to what could be.
If he is not jailed it will be the breaking point for Americans
I’ll be fine, go ahead and take your time ☺️
sure sounds like he’s sending a ‘message’ to the cult here of what to do if he actually gets locked-up.
Something something stand by
My thoughts exactly
The closer we get to his sentencing, the more violent his rhetoric will get.
There are times I wonder if the civil war was a good idea. Just let those confederate states break away from the north. I don’t support the idea of a confederacy, nor do I support slavery, but hear me out.
I fully believe that the south on their own would have crumbled as a country, as the new, smaller USA would have told the world "Hey, if you buy goods from the south, just know it’s with slave labor. If you buy it from the USA, it’s 100% slave free.
After some years, the then democrats (which today would be the republicans…weird, I know), would have screwed their own country up so bad, that I feel each state would have tried to become it’s own country. And it’s impossible to know where the butterfly takes us from there.
But today we would have a USA that’s roughly half the size, quite a bit smaller population wise, but still basically the USA we know today in terms of place in the world.
So now, today, trump would be campaigning down in alabama or florida or some shit, and none of this bullshit would be our problem. Because if he tried campaigning in the USA, he would be shot down HARD. All the racists and confederate flag bearers, and bible thumpers are in the south…and also Ohio for some unexplained reason.
Point is. He would either campaign in a country that won’t have him, or campaign in a country that loves him…but it’s not our problem.
It wouldn’t be that clean cut. Yes, a good chunk of the southeast would go but you have plenty of states that are discontiguous or so close to a 50-50 split, that we’d end up with a bunch of 1850s Kansas-Missouri situations.
Then you will starve to death. Comments like this make it obvious who has and hasn’t driven through red states.
I LIVE in a red state. Granted, it’s a blue city, but take about a 10 minute drive outside of town? Nothing but cows and racists all around. I like the cows more.
Why would I starve to death? Do you think blue states don’t have farms? Ports?
You might want to look at the past two elecctoral college maps before you go blaming everything on the south.
I said “and Ohio”. The western states didn’t exist back then.
Donald Trump is from New York.
