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Who the fuck actually votes on posts? Regardless of the forum.
Lemmy isn’t immune, I had a recent encounter that rubbed me wrong recently in a redditish way. It’s quickly gone downhill here, I’m sure before too long, just like reddit I’ll turn to lurk only then go away as the posts themselves become mostly intolerable.
It’s all the toxic moderation thats turning lemmy into reddit 2.0. You can’t be blunt because it hurts some removed boy’s feelings
Is it though?
I’ve been feeling like it’s been getting better, not worse. But maybe I’m not engaging in the posts where my thoughts are seen as controversial anymore.
Possibly, it’s a shark tank, be positive, never any nuanced opinions, keep swimming forward in the pack and you are ok. Any blood in the water and you get torn apart. Most people are genuinely nice but the amount of terrible and loud people online is frightening and/or depressing.
worldwide skill issue…the devil has a silver tongue
If I remember the ancient days correctly, you were supposed to downvote incorrect info so it wouldn’t appear at the top? You weren’t supposed to downvote if you disagreed but if it was wrong info? Am I hallucinating that?
I believe you were “supposed” to upvote/downvote by whether the comment contributes to the discussion and community.
Those were still the rules when I left last year. People will upvote misinformation in the face of proof on there and here on lemmy.
If a platform puts arrow buttons on everything people say, and tell you that up means you get “points”, it’s a social metric. At this point if you’re trying to create a consensus metric, you’ll have to think of something else. It’s too ingrained in us.
Lemmy has no total score anymore, so the up and down votes only matter in the topic layer. I think that’s the best solution rn. There’s no big incentive any longer to point farm.
but also no disincentive to troll.
Also even when some are trolling, the up/down vote will not gain/lose attention for the troll. Trolls love attention.
The lack of karma means participation is there not whether it is a troll or regular.
Unless it is spam, almost no one is punished/rewarded for participating.
On Lemmy there is disincentive to troll right? If you’re being too much of a troll you might get thrown out of your instance for making it look bad. Unless you selfhost of course. I’m not sure why botspam from selfhosted lemmy’s is not a bigger problem to be honest. You can deferate them but it’s easy to make new ones.
This kind of information is all suppressed now, but early on when Facebook only had likes, there was a lot of discussion on how downvotes weren’t really needed. It was believed that people engaged more with content they enjoyed, and ignored unfavorable content.
This is wildly wrong. People obsessively engage with content they hate, to the extent that it probably makes more sense to only have a down vote button. Everyone knows that now, and the big sites uses psychological studies funded by casinos to gamify engagement, entirely in the pursuit of click-pennies.
What do votes mean? On lemmy it seems nothing. On other sites they mean revenue for the owners.
Except youtube, because dislikes were only used to call out scams and ads. The ad people got mad and now misinformation is easier to spread.
I wouldn’t say ‘only’. There were a lot of downvoted things that were just controversial.
I have never cared for human nature. It’s tedious at best and often ghastly. We should all concern ourselves much more with human nurture.
To put it plainly, we should not be letting corporations do research on how to manipulate our most base instincts on social media. That would have been a moderate solution a century ago. Now we would need a more radical approach, such as outlawing most forms of advertising content and social media manipulation. And even raising the topic probably makes me sound insane.
You were supposed to upvote the best version of each argument/position or additional info and downvote the rest. Instead the site is the most popular opinion presented 6 different ways.
If you are attached to whether you’re attracting downvotes or upvotes you are setting yourself for disappointment for no reason. Just say your thing.
I agree with you 100%. Have a downvote.
I agree 100%. It just sucks when I go out of my way to post a thoughtfully-worded comment so I can positively contribute to Lemmy, only to have someone nitpick my comment and reply with an “Um, aktshually” and a downvote. The downvote brigading on Lemmy seems even more punitive than it was on Reddit; of course this varies largely depending on the post’s subject matter and instance.
This happens on Lemmy as well.
Better yet: on Lemmy it doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong, support yourself with facts or have someone else do it, admit mistake or not…if what you post isn’t in alignment with the overall masses, it’s
jaildownvotes.Make a comment about something other than beans or jeans?
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Thats something entirely different though. Using votes to show disagreement/agreement makes sense as a tool of democratic communication. This goes for comments that contain statements.
OP describes a “jail” type of usage, where there is nothing to disagree but people downvote amyways (to feel superior maybe), wich sucks cause it reads like hate
You’d think this would only happen on political subjects. But nope, got downvoted today for commenting on Godzilla buoyancy.
Well, is he buoyant or not?
Apparently. But the discussion was about how he achieves his buoyancy. But if you’d like to downvote my responses, feel free to pick any comment from my recent history.
Should have been lazy like me and just posted a picture of a duck. Lol
I thought your comments were interesting.
🙏 Bless!
Imma upvote just to spite you then
I thought he had really long expandable legs.
right to jail
It does for sure, but not as often in my experience. Reddit is just entirely full of teenagers now that think the downvote button is a dislike button
The default lemmy client allows hiding all votes though. And it doesn’t seem like the comments are sorted by their votes.
It happened to me when I mistakenly said that people with “ski” endings to their surname are Jewish Poles when it in fact apparently only means they have Polish ancestry and nothing about their religion lol
or you’re just buried in bullshit copypasta from lemmygrad
This getting downvoted 🤌
Source?
Trust me, bro
> caring about downvotes
mfw when 🥱
“I posted incorrect information and then people downvoted it, so now people can’t see the incorrect information I posted! This site is horrible!”
Sounds like it’s working as advertised. Don’t post incorrect info if you don’t like downvvotes. Upvotes mean “more people should read this.” Why do people need to read you being wrong? How is that a good contribution?
They’re complaining that their admission of being wrong was getting downvoted, not about the main post.
If I give any kind of opinion I can understand downvotes on a comment of mine, but the totally innocuous ones that get downvoted are always funny.
i think it’s just herd mentality. People see downvotes and then go “yeah downvote bad, me grug, me downvote comment also”
the amount of posts i saw about some negative thing that had comments that were like “i almost downvoted this” was concerning.
Often there are multiple ways to interpret a poster’s intentions, and if you see a heavily downvoted comment you will automatically assume the worst.
My favorite random downvotes on Reddit were the threads where for some damned reason a single reply that often said the same thing as the others, or continued some chain, would get absolutely obliterated.
I have made some bold political takes and gotten burned.
But I have also mentioned I could afford to buy a case of beer coming home from work 15 years ago, and likewise been burned.
This fuckin guy
The fool! He has fallen for the oldest trap there is
It’s always the insecure people that give a shit about down votes.
Thanks, u/cumskin_genocide
What’s wrong with my username?
yeah thats most of the internet for you.
Unless you’re shitposting, or actually on a good topic, it’s an absolute clusterfuck of a place.
That’s something to appreciate about Lemmy. People can destroy you while you hold a position they think is wrong, but as soon as you change your mind they are friendly.
EDIT: usually
So far a lot of the people I’ve interacted here have been more dense than reddit, I mean, a lot of the people here have been banned from reddit after all.
I mean, so was I. But it was for quoting someone’s use of a slur so they couldn’t edit it, then evading that bullshit ban. Apparently when you actively call out nazis and sexist assholes the powers that be will find a way to make you regret it.
Lemmy is 100% more toxic then reddit.
That’s usually the radical leftists who prioritize ideology and loyalty to the cause.
You are so cool for being able to point out political ideology you don’t like, you’re cool.
Lemmy and most sites are a lot better when you turn off likes/votes/whatever arbitrary number they call it. I don’t really give a shit how many people like/dislike something.
Once the hive mind takes over and the downvote train starts it’s all but impossible to turn your post positive regardless of contrition. It’s unfortunate because it removes some incentive to publicly self-correct.
This is why so many people edit their comments that are wrong and get corrected by someone else to say EDIT: CORRECTED BELOW or something, to prevent mindless downvotes from lazy people not reading the full chain of comments. Personally I think it’s worse like that but I can see why they do it if they care about karma.
I prefer people do that than either delete the comment, or edit the original. Otherwise the comment chain makes no sense, and people don’t get a chance to learn from the original incorrect comment.
The public voting system is massively flawed when it comes to websites and sharing content. Since anyone who really wants visibility can just pay any number of services to boost their posts and comments, you have no idea what’s real and you have no idea what the general public actually supports.
For the average person who doesn’t think about what’s going on behind the scenes, it looks like an accurate representation of society’s interests and leanings. This is probably why we have a sharp uptick of far-right assholes and why so many young guys are turning towards sexist, racist figures online. The very same people who also proudly talk about how good they are at manipulating people. Hmmn.
Down it, coward. You’ll only be downvoting a man
Transcendence is not giving a fuck and being confidently wrong.
Honestly though, part of it. Internet weirdos gonna internet weirdo. Source : am internet weirdo
Transcendence is not giving a fuck and being confidently wrong.
sometimes i like to just, say the wrong opinion, for no reason other than i think it’s funny. But also educational to watch how people react to things.
The word you’re looking for might be “trolling”. Which isn’t bad, by all means, as long as you recognize what’s happening
I didn’t downvote you ❤️
