• bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Do you think I am not aware of the heritage Foundation? Are you just trying to chime in?

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            It’s a concerted effort spanning almost 70 years and I agree, they’re not going away at all.

            It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).”

            The rich hated FDRs New Deal and immediately set about to undo all the trade, tax, and housing policies, labor and consumer rights, everything, he’d done. They very much want a return to the gilded age with themselves as the robber barons and gentry. They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.

            I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. We only have soap, ballot, bullet, and jury boxes and obviously the soapbox has limited impact.

            Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

            edit: tl;dr the shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again because they’re controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people and they’re winning

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              It is more effective to educate conservatives on why white supremacy is wrong. Buying a few little pew pews isn’t going to stop them. Maybe buy you some time to slip out the back.

              Maybe demand they craft legislation on media outlets. Have you noticed the History channel plays nothing about history anymore and is all reality tv?

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                Of course we should try to reach out and educate, the soap box and the ballot box are always the first and second choices; but you sound like someone with nothing to lose. What happens when the attempt at “education” fails? When the attempt to speak civilly is met with red-faced screaming? When you try to use reason and they use an armed mob.

                I wonder if anyone just tried educating Hitler about how antisemitism is wrong.

                I’m in a deep red state. I have no interest in letting a caravan of MAGAts come into the singular liberal, “crime-infested blue city” within 200 miles to Rittenhouse some “groomers” because their guy gets to be dictator “for a day.”

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                  Their hate is fueled by manufactured outrage, a propaganda machine controlled by billionaires. The media needs to be regulated immediately and some Monopolies need to be broken up. There is no better time than now

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      Well technically it iant nor can the plan claim affiliation or support for any candidate. But its pretry clear to anyone with a brain that it does align very well with his ideology.

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        Because no one is answering you, “hawk tuah” is the nickname for a lady who got stopped by one of those annoying YouTubers/tiktokkers doing the old nighttime talk show “man on the street” gig, stopping pedestrians and asking them stupid questions in the hopes of getting an equally stupid or funny answer.

        The question was something like “what’s the most whatever thing you can do in bed with a guy that something something” or whatever, I forget the specific question because it reminded me of the crap you see on the cover of cosmopolitan magazine.

        Anyway, this gal says the functional equivalent of “spit on his dick(to lube him up)” only she says it like “you gotta give it that HAWK TUAH” making a sound like she’s Hocking up a huge lugey and spitting it out in the downward direction.

        She is now known as hawk tuah and I think someone is trying to put her on reality TV.

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          Considering that we have three seasons of a show called “F-Boy Island” on broadcast television, I’m not very suprised someone wants to make her a star

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            TBF no one watches broadcast television anymore, so they’ll stick anything on the airwaves to fill the schedule.

            It’s either that, or go the way of MTV and show nothing but endless reruns of one show. I don’t know why they haven’t renamed it “The Rob Dyrdek Network” by now and called it a day.

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      Good thing. Despite how it sometimes feels, most Americans aren’t hateful pieces of shit and don’t support this crap. It’s just hard to get them to go out and vote.

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        It’s just hard to get them to go out and vote.

        it would be a lot easier if the dnc didn’t suppress popular candidates in favor of candidates with decades long histories of conservative bona fides.

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      It’s a good thing, much of the things included are unpopular, even by conservatives

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      I suspect it’s a good thing. Conservatives don’t search for things that discredit their views. And I doubt their media is playing this up as anything that deserves attention. It’s probably mentioned as a thing to be ignored. I have no factual basis for my suspicions. I could be completely wrong.

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        my conservative friends and family from the garbage can i grew up in very much like this sort of thing, and probably see it as a justification to vote for sexual dingus trump.

        im hoping it will force more democrat voters to go outside.

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        Conservatives don’t search for things that discredit their view.

        I think you’re right here but I think we can all be very much like that. Using trump and conservatives as a reference to what we all do, no one Googles “is trump bad.” No, we already know the answer to what we think about that. Instead, we google something like “trump is the best” which (along with our personalised algorithm, designed to tell us what we want to hear so we keep engaged) tells us all about how trump is the best.

        I think one thing that might help anyone who wants to de-program trumpers, along with the parts that are their own fault, they genuinely are victims of the algorithm they’re trapped in. I mean, we all are but right wingers, being right wingers, rarely have the self awareness needed to adjust for it. Theyre amongst the groups most disenfranchised and exploited by these things. It doesn’t absolve them of blame but, imo, its more complicated than a lot of people make out.

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          we google something like “trump is the best” which (along with our personalised algorithm, designed to tell us what we want to hear so we keep engaged) tells us all about how trump is the best.

          Nobody googles anything like that, and googling “is x good/bad?” Isn’t really how you use Google unless you’re researching products or something. This is a lazy attempt at an example.

          It seems to me that, if we’re using web searches as an indicator, that those on the left have no problem earnestly researching the answers to questions like “Is transgender healthcare harmful to children?”, or “what are the pros and cons of privatizing x?”, where some of the answers might not perfectly validate our existing worldview, but we still walk away with a nuanced opinion based on what we learned.

          Conservatives on the other hand would never even consider asking questions like “are they cutting little boys dicks off because they like the color pink?” or “are half of all murders really committed by Black people?”, they will just believe it in their heart of hearts because they saw memes about it on Truth Social.

          In fact, if they did muster the willpower to type such a query into Google, every single article that doesn’t validate them would be declared some sort of leftist hoax, and Google would be blamed as another woke tech company deliberately serving content that challenges a right wing view.

          These people are completely brainwashed, and it is no surprise that they heavily trend Christian, since Christianity as an ethos demands that you be able to resist asking questions critical of God, as certain questions are an insult to God. It’s rather trivial to exploit this vulnerability in critical thinking, which is why so many Conservatives seem to have no line between their religious beliefs and their political beliefs, and both sets of beliefs end up being completely fucking unhinged and filled to the brim with magical thinking.

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            I love how you declared my example to be lazy, only to then make, essentially, the same example again. Dont get me wrong, I’m not saying that I disagree with me.

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              Yeah, I called you lazy and then said what you attempted to say with better clarity and verbosity.

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      I clicked on your “this guy” link and I got an ad…

      …of Obama asking for campaign donations.

      I know it wasn’t your intent but the irony of that ad playing in that context was just too good.

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      I don’t know if Civil War is meant to have a clear real-world corollary for the conflict. In the movie Texas and California are aligned against the president and Florida and most of the NW states (including Idaho and Ohio) are breakaway factions that seem aligned against the federal forces as well (the implication that Idaho and Ohio are in the communist state alliance is pretty fucking laughable)

      All that to say: i’m pretty sure the producers intentionally avoided real-life groups to keep the movie focused on the topic of journalism and to avoid it being used in exactly this type of political fearmongering.

      Edit: also this bit in that article you linked, which seems to allude to the president possibly starting out as a liberal and becoming fascist, which is chef’s kiss

      Perhaps just as controversial as the decisions of which states seceded in “Civil War” are the choices as to which states stayed. Notably, the whole Northeast, including the protagonists’ main residence of New York, has stayed loyal to the fascist government, a plot point certain to raise questions about what happened to the former liberal stronghold. In an interview with The Atlantic, Alex Garland offered up the possibility that changes in political alignments occurred as a result of the President’s own politics changing between his first term and his third: “He may be a fascist at the point we meet him, but he presumably in his first term didn’t say [that] …”

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        I don’t know if Civil War is meant to have a clear real-world corollary for the conflict. In the movie Texas and California are aligned against the president and Florida and most of the NW states (including Idaho and Ohio) are breakaway factions that seem aligned against the federal forces as well (the implication that Idaho and Ohio are in the communist state alliance is pretty fucking laughable)

        i almost didn’t watch the movie because all the reviews i read were stuck on this one point but …

        … i’m pretty sure the producers intentionally avoided real-life groups to keep the movie focused on the topic of journalism and to avoid it being used in exactly this type of political fearmongering.

        it was clear to me that this was true during the paramilitary soldier hostage scene; that was the closest the film ever got to contemporary political alignment and even then it was vague enough not to point fingers.

        i’m so glad the movie i intended to see was sold out and i ended up watching civil war instead because it’s one of those movies that sticks with you and i’ve haven’t felt that way about a movie in a long time.

        kirsten dunst was the reason why i went with this movie over the other options i had at that moment and i suspected that the movie would be at least decent from the start since i’ve liked every movie she’s ever been in; i would have seen this movie on opening day were it not for all the reviews i mentioned earlier.

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          Yup, I think a lot of people avoided the movie because there’s an obvious proximity to current events that’s just too stressful for casual viewing, but I think they did a pretty tasteful/artistic job making the politics of the narrative vague and even a little subversive. It ends up keeping you focused on the details because you’re looking for those clues, but ends up putting you in the shoes of the journalists, trying to piece together a political narrative that you can’t quite see in the moment while you’re being bombarded with the horrors of war and armed conflict. I love that part of the movie, because it presents that tension of what they’re there to do as journalists - taking pictures to catalogue a larger narrative as the soldiers they’re following lay dying in the fog of war and unable to clearly see the bigger outlines. The viewer ends up feeling a little resentful of the journalists, because they seem a bit uncaring about the horrors they’re witnessing in service of getting the chance of capturing history.

          That’s also why I got a little worked up seeing it mentioned in this thread… op was doing the thing the movie was clearly going out of its way to prevent. Idk. The movie is great and I hate seeing it used as an inflammatory political statement.

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          I gotta say as a Californian, as much as we bag on Texas if our two states ever teamed up we would steamroll the rest of the nation.

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            I gotta say as a Californian, as much as we bag on Texas …

            that interests me greatly.

            when i moved from san francisco to austin i was surprised by how many “don’t california my texas” bumper stickers and flags shown everywhere. at first i attributed it to having to switch to driving for my commute and i thought it was odd that i had never sensed a such a reciprocated sentiment expressed while lived in all of california; much less be so ubiquitous every you go.

            yours is the first i’ve ever heard.

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              Most of our bagging on Texas is talking about how cute it is they think they’re in the same league as us, economically.

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        They probably get all their news through one giant corporation or another, whether it’s the Murdoch one, the Zuckerberg one, the Musk one, etc.

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        You think that most people consider the world and how it works, and form opinions based on that. The reality is that a truly stupendous quantity of humans only focus on gratification and really don’t pay attention to what is going on around them.

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      Hopefully it helps for the US elections, from a concerned neighbor of theirs.

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          Yes. A full-on fascist dictatorship with the power of the US is unprecedented in world history. I don’t want to find out how it goes.

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    It’s just a suggestion list of things that someone would want a republican president to do. Trump has already stated some of the stuff is ridiculous and he obviously doesn’t support it

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      Do you really believe anything that comes out of his mouth isn’t him just saying what people want to hear?

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    there’s a reason why republicans and the corporate media are desperate to try and push president biden out of the race.

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      As opposed to everyone else, who hope dearly that the 25th will be invoked if he’s elected. Though I doubt anyone wanted the first woman president to get the job without being elected, it will warm my heart if Hillary Clinton is alive to see the first woman president and it isn’t a Clinton.

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        This so the single best reason I’ve ever heard to get Harris the office… To spite Hilary lol