wait until they find out about their beloved movie the matrix
They got a bbw Jesus!
This is really killing me. The Last Supper is a fucking painting. It ain’t in the book. There’s no part of the Bible where it says and Jesus sat down at a stupidly long table and all of his asshole Apostle sat down on the same side and posed weirdly. Why is the painting suddenly holy? Since when do conservatives like art? I’ve never met a conservative who didn’t want to burn most paintings.
You’d be surprised how much of the belief was added as expansion packs by the early church.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
The painting is just another notable addition to the cinematic universe.
We don’t talk about the rival fanfic, or the original book fans. It’s not as good as ours. And our main character in the sky is totally different.
Matthew 26:20-29 ESV
When it was evening, he reclined at table with the twelve. And as they were eating, he said, “Truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me.” And they were very sorrowful and began to say to him one after another, “Is it I, Lord?” He answered, “He who has dipped his hand in the dish with me will betray me. The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.” Judas, who would betray him, answered, “Is it I, Rabbi?” He said to him, “You have said so.” Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
1 Corinthians 11:23-26 ESV
For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” [26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
The last supper is very much biblical
They weren’t saying the event called the last supper wasn’t in the bible, but that the artistic depiction of that event, “The Last Supper”, isn’t a part of the Christian religion. It is a painting.
It’s a painting of a scene from the Bible, though
A painting by a homosexual naturalist scientist that constantly gets co-opted by the church. Religious folk are so ridiculous on what you choose to get your feathers ruffled over. It’s just a stupid painting that he made to experiment with new materials for fresco murals.
I think religion is hogwash but criticizing a famous depiction of an event that happened in the Bible because it’s not actually being part of the Bible strikes me as desperate.
Nah. It’s something they don’t get bent out of shape for for any other religious artwork. Like nobody is up in arms about the memes of that shitty restoration of the picture of Jesus
There’s plenty of satirical art/speech/expression about Christianity and people don’t go through life being enraged at all of it until they’re told to have that opinion by media.
Plus, from what I understand, the only “sacrilegious” element was that there were drag performers doing it? There’s not even anything inherently anti-christian there. Christians are only so vehemently anti-drag in the US because of media spoon feeding them opinions.
Other examples they dont get mad about
I’m not defending their anti drag position, it is ridiculous.
But they find drag to be an affront to their beliefs, and thus them making fun of the last supper is offensive in this case (it isn’t making fun of it, which I just learned, I’m speaking hypothetically here) and maybe not when it is referenced humorously in others.
It’s like some white person getting up on stage and doing jokes about living fried chicken and watermelon. Maybe some people are mildly put off by it but most would just think it dumb. But put that white guy in black face and all of a sudden it’s a lot more offensive. I’m not equating these two, just pointing out how context matters.
But I’m not even sure why that matters here because the statement was that it really isn’t part of the bible, when it’s clearly depicting a major moment in the Bible.
Not true, you were defending their anti drag position. Still am, a little because you don’t understand how to back down
It’s possible to understand that something offends a person, and think it wrong to intentionally offend them, and at the same time find it ridiculous that it does.
I’ve never met a conservative who didn’t want to burn most paintings.
How does ignorant, fabricated hate get so many upvotes here?
Just a product of people having an overconfidence in themselves being right (and therefore good) while those that disagree are wrong (and therefore wrong).
The irony is that the most batshit insane MAGAs have the same thought process. Liberal tears and all that.
This is a “conservative tears” kind of thing. It’s a “they take the low road, we also take the low road” kind of strategy which only gives credence to the usually fallacious “both sides” arguments.
General lack of critical thinking skills. If you want a tolerant society, actively disrespecting the beliefs of others probably isn’t the best way to go about it.
lol. you are so fucking naive. you think they’ll return the favor if we respect their idiotic beliefs? do you think that aliens are going to land and take our side because we took ‘the high road’? there’s only one solution for christian conservatives.
Yup. Maga supporters are some of the worst I’ve come across. But what I’ve learned, especially on Lemmy, is that it’s not even remotely isolated to them.
Judas: so lets get this last supper going.
Jesus: the what supper?
Judas: good supper, nice supper, normal supper!
good supper, nice supper, normal supper!
Super supper!
olympic is now cancelled.
Imagine you’re the master race, confident and strong and then some people wear different clothes than you expected on TV and your whole world is just shattered lol.
NBC’s coverage only detracted from the ceremony. They cut most of the fashion show. And the hosts did nothing to explain or put the various acts in cultural context.
For those who don’t like the queer fashion show, no one is forcing you to watch it. It’s a cultural expression of the host country. It’s like going to Gramany and hating the beer or the Netherlands and hating the tulips.
It’s like going to Gramany and hating the beer or the Netherlands and hating the tulips.
Happily, alcoholism bad and the tulip bubble was dumb.
Some people just live in anger, don’t they?
It was a joke
Guess we all missed the joke, sorry fam
Video is DRM locked.
People who get upset over everything are upset. More at 11.
Oh no, the poor christians and conservatives who rather see us at the burning stake than acknowledge that their God created us queer-people just like we are. Fuck em that they felt hurt looking at this display, we were and are constantly hurt!
i always smh when people use the bible to justify their non-christian virtues. christians don’t care and it’s a stupid book to begin with. if a christian ever tells me i’m doing something wrong, i look them right in the eye and say “PROVE YOUR GOD IS REAL OR SHUT THE FUCK UP”.
don’t use their religion for reasoning. it’s a form of validation.
I’m not exactly the most religious person, but this seems to be step one in how to piss off a nice chunk of those watching.
Not the route I would have gone.
Well they can be pissed or grow up then I guess lol getting angry over a performance on tv, what are they, 6 years old?
If you can’t figure out to not take someone belief system or identity and use it… If you can’t figure out why that might piss people off let me help you.
If I as a heterosexual white male put on black face and dressed up in American Indian garb I’m pretty sure people would get pissed.
There are certain lines you just don’t cross.
And religion, favorite Jolly Rancher flavor, or what car you drive is not one of them. Those are all conscious choices.
Still here you are trying to piss off people. Why don’t you change your tune, eh?
Mocking someone for who they are (their race) and for their choice (the cult they joined) are entirely different things.
Mentally, yes. Lol
It was made to kind of piss right wing people, yes
Just curious would it have been ok if was designed to piss off left wingers? Or done to make fun of black people or trans people?
If they did it to Muslims, theyd get a repeat of Charlie Hebdo. And if I didnt know better, Id say they were making fun of trans people, in a really gross transphobic way
Because some of them are even more childish than the christians?
Do you know what Charlie Hebdo was?
Everything you listed is on different plains of existence.
The left isn’t there to tell others what to do. It’s here to push back on the right’s encroachment. So be it.
Neither black nor trans people choose to be who they are but being a right-wing Christian is a conscious choice people make every day. These people wake up and choose every type of violence.
Why would it be ok to piss off anyone else but the perpetrators?
The ceremony pissed off right wingers by not bending to their demands for censorship of anything that their religious beliefs tells them should be censored. Bending to those demands would essentially allow them to force their religious beliefs on others.
You suggested to piss off left wingers by bullying ostracized groups of people or being downright racist.
You can see how those are not the same.
Drag cabaret was huge in France in the 1940s and 1950s and has continued to this day, so that part is not really especially weird or or provocative.
But then they decided to mix it with Paris Fashion Week and that made it far less interesting, at least to me.
Drag acts are the misogynist equivalent of “black face”.
There it is. The dumbest comment I’ll read on the internet today. And it’s barely even noon.
You obviously don’t proofread yours then.
Ratio.
And I’m really not surprised by your response…
Least braindead TERF
Are you seriously comparing clothing and makeup to skin color and ethnicity my guy?
Blackface demonizes/makes fun of being black. Drag does not demonize femininity; quite the opposite actually. Your logic doesn’t logic.
Considering you post a lot of porn of women with objectifying remarks all over your profile, it’s unsurprising you have misogynistic views… at least keep them to yourself man.
in some ways, drag does reduce a woman’s identity to just the clothes she wears and some makeup. he’s not completely wrong.
No. He is completely wrong. Drag isn’t “reducing a woman’s identity” to anything, because femininity isn’t a woman’s identity. People who do drag aren’t pretending to be women. Drag partially exists to blur gender lines and challenge our perceptions of gender, and mostly exists because many people feel affirmed by femininity and are most comfortable when they’re participating in what we see as feminine culture.
Cultural perceptions of femininity aren’t equivalent to womanhood. Femininity does not “belong” to women and masculinity does not “belong” to men. Imagine how insane it would be if we called women wearing pants and other clothes that used to be associated with men “blackface for men” lol.
you have a point.
Yes I am…
(and don’t project)
Not at all. Drag does not mock women. Guarantee you’re a dude.
It was supposed to be the Last Supper?
I totally didn’t get that.
Also, I was hoping for a real drag show when I saw them, but instead I got a sort of “gender bent catwalk” thing. Boo.
It was supposed to be a representation of a bacchanal or dionisya. There are dozens of paintings of those celebrations that look sorta like the last supper, if you squint very hard and turn off your brain.
NBC didn’t even broadcast this part of the ceremonies, people who are upset about this are looking to get upset.
The real news story here is that NBC is apparently censoring the Olympics.
The link literally goes to nbc news, and contains a video of that exact performance. How exactly are they censoring the Olympics? Edit: was this not broadcast on live tv, just online? I didn’t watch live.
I’ve got copies of both the US and Australian broadcasts. I’m in the process of building a synchronized side-by-side video showing what each broadcaster put out.
I’d love to share it if I could convince YouTube’s bots that it’s not a copyright violation.
And if there’s a PeerTube instance out there that won’t mind me uploading it there, I’m happy to share it with you.
You should totally upload it to the Internet Archive. They have something similar for 9/11 news programs.
This is a FANTASTIC idea. I’m uploading it now.
Great! Link it here when you do it, I’d be very curious to see it!
Let me explain it this way. If I am going to sit somewhere, if we as left leaning individuals are going to sit and say “it’s not what you say it’s how others take it and be sensitive to that” then we need to follow the same rules.
If I tell a joke or do something that others take offense to, then maybe it wasn’t ok to say that, or to have done that.
If I am going to tell people to pay attention to how others respond to what they are doing or saying. Then i need to follow those same rules.
It is not ok for me to tell another person, you can’t say that (what ever that thing is) because of how others are viewing it or how it makes them feel. Then turn around and say but i can do what ever I want even if it offends others.
It is not relevant if we are talking about drag, or trans people, or black people, or minorities, or white people, or religions. What is relevant is that we are running around saying “you can’t do that because it is offending others”. Yet look through this thread, go all the way up to my top comment and look at all the responses. Notice something? People are acting like this was totally ok even though there are a shit ton of people that it offended.
So it’s ok for the left to put in rules that says “you can’t do that because it is offending others, but we the left can do what ever we want”. That makes sense?
and you are telling me to change my tune?
You’re right, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. And in that spirit, I will treat these complaints exactly the way right wingers treat it when others point out that they’re being offensive and gross.
In other words, I will mock you for being offended and suggest that you’re trying to kill free speech any time you try to voice your point of view.
Btw, someone saying something in the past doesn’t make it true.
Well, that’s a horrible argument.
Paradox of tolerance doesn’t really have an argument other than it being declared “this is what happens when you tolerate intolerance”
Good point… So how does that relate to this thread?
hard disagree. you assume that if you give them the same respect that you ask for, that they will give it back in return. you’re talking about christians. they just want to subjugate everyone else to their standard of living.
nope. fuck them. they are the enemy. they are the barrier to living in a better world. they do not understand cultural differences and don’t want to. they are a problem to be solved, not a class of people who must be tolerated. goose and gander thinking will get you nowhere.
so because I’m a christian … it’s fuck me? ignoring the fact that i do my best to treat everyone equally. ignoring the fact that I want a constitutional amendment that says “on average for a given voting precinct the people shouldn’t be standing in line for 8 hours, the average should only be 30 minutes so minorities aren’t disenfranchised from voting” … ignoring the fact that I believe everyone should have the right to marry who ever they choose (as long as they are consenting adults… your statement is
“you’re talking about christians, they just want to subjugate everyone else… fuck them”
that’s also ignoring the fact that I do not believe that the bible should be taught in public school.
you didn’t say some christians are that way … you basically said all christians. … so it’s fuck me. … nice way to enter the conversation there.
ACAB
It wasn’t the last supper or anything with Christianity. Maybe if they were actually educated instead of being anti-schooling…
Is there a way to read the thread without having an X account? Because all I see is the first post saying it’s supposed to be the other picture and they don’t look that similar to me. I’m guessing he goes on to explain some of the context? In other self replies that I can’t read?
I wish people would stop using X/Twitter because of this kind of shit. Everyone needs to move over to Mastadon or at least Blue Sky, something I can read without having an account and being logged in.
Yes, here’s the unroll…
Thanks!
I saw people pissed off about this on social media last night. I didn’t even really understand what they were upset about. Other than the fact that it’s a handful of people sitting at a table, I didn’t really see any similarities with the Last Supper. Christians don’t own the concept of people sitting on the same side of a table.
TV shows put all the people on one side of a dinner table all the time - because of camera/blocking reasons. Is every episode of Eight Is Enough blasphemous?
I would like to hear from the actual people, rather than some historian just coming up with something that could be an excuse.
Additionally, I regularly go to museums, I took art elective art classes in both HS and college, including art history, and I’ve never seen this painting. Im willing to bed 99% of people haven’t even heard of the artist. So attacking people for not making this connection ss “ignorant” seems to be a bit much.
Here you go…
Conservative critics widely denounced the act, featuring Katerine lounging on a table surrounded by drag queens, as mocking the Last Supper. But director Thomas Jolly told BFM-TV on Sunday that his inspiration was not the iconic New Testament scene painting by Leonardo da Vinci, but “a pagan feast linked” to the gods of Olympus.
“I’m a bit of an exhibitionist,” said Katerine, 55, whose modesty as Dionysus, the god of fertility, ecstasy and wine, was covered by a meager garland of leaves and fruit.
Thanks.
Maybe if they were actually educated instead of being anti-schooling…
Half of “Against School” is incredibly based, half is a bit rambly.
It is not relevant if we are talking about drag, or trans people, or black people, or minorities, or white people, or religions.
then why are you doing that?
also, username checks out.
If the offense is that something exists, it’s not worth bowing down to. If the offense is that it is potentially harmful or dangerous, then it should be considered. Conservatives don’t get to just say they’re offended by others and get them to disappear.
Paradox of tolerance. Christians are actively trying to invite violence against LGBT people by calling them groomers. That’s the basis of their outrage, so it is simple to dismiss it as hateful or inauthentic.
Religion has been behind so much discrimination over the centuries. I, as a leftist, will never care to not offend religion.
Also I’m very strongly of the opinion that being a leftist is about ending capitalism. The acceptance/bigotry spectrum is a different axis. And while ending bigotry is an important fight, it’s a separate one from ending capitalism.
Why can’t drag queens portray the last supper, even make fun of it, when
a) Jeezy Creezy himself invited sex workers to his shin digs. Also cracked a few jokes himself (“Why were you looking for me? I was in my father’s house”)
b) veggie tales is about sentient vegetables giving Bible lessons, Narnia is about a fursona giving Bible lessons
c) if Jesus can take being crucified I imagine he can take a joke
I kind of see where you are coming from, but doesn’t it make a difference WHY somebody is offended?
If I, for eclxsmple, use the N-Word, the offence this rightfully causes is rooted in it being used to speak about slaves in the past. I can understand that. I understand why this could hurt black peoples feeling. So I don’t use it.
The root of offence on the Paris case seemes to be that some Christian Fundamentalist (wrongly) think that Drag-People imitated the last Supper. Their offence is based in them hating Drags. That is nothing I can emphatize with. So I don’t see their offence beeing justified, since It is rooted in hate.
Would they be offended if white males immitated the last supper during the ceremony? Possible, and if so then I’d be interested to hear on what basis, since the scene has been mimiced in pop culture a lot without it causing any offence (on a level that would have made it noticeable to me).
Ao that’s the difference. I don’t blindly stop to do things the left labels as offensive. But If I understand how and why it causes people harm using phrases or doing things then I might change my behaviour on that base. Not because “the left says so” but because I can emphatize and understand the point. In this case I can do neither.
I’m also pissed at the Olympics this year, mostly because I got stuck one hour on the road, but maybe I just don’t want to admit how dumb I was to not avoid Paris on my trip to the west… nah it’s them! not me!
