- cross-posted to:
- firefox@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- firefox@lemmy.world
Updates in code base, interface, mobile development, plus improvements to the look and feel on Linux. Pretty cool to see!
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Might bw time to try thunderbird again
Haven’t used thunderbird in a long time but it looks really nice! Might give it a go again
I used evolution for a min, it wasnt bad… But, ive been using thunderbird for so long, i didnt stray for long.
What have you been using instead? I’ve been using Thunderbird since I was 13 at least, literally never used a single other desktop mail client since then. So I wonder what other mail clients people use.
I’ve been an Airmail (Mac) user for many years now. But it’s been really buggy lately and there’s no motivation to fix the issues apparently. So I switched to Thunderbird about a month ago after a lot of research. It’s … ok.
- Search is great.
- Seeing stats/charts on my last 20 years of emails is super interesting.
- Composing emails is not great, but I use a markdown plugin that makes it better … but it’s still pretty bad UX.
- I hate the way it quotes previous emails with “>” for each line instead of an indented block quote. Maybe I’m missing the setting to turn that off.
- I miss having an avatar/icon for each sender. It let me quickly visually scan my inbox for the person I want to talk to instead of parsing through all the text.
- The spacing of elements in certain places is weird and inconsistent. In places where it’s too tight it feels cramped and bothers me.
- You can’t compose a reply inline. You just have to use a floating window on top of the rest of the app.
- I miss the one-key shortcuts to label and archive emails. This was originally a GMail feature and Airmail also implemented it.
- Sending an email doesn’t happen in the background. You have to stare at a progress bar modal while it sends, and it seems to take forever. I just want to move on to my next email but I’m stuck waiting.
- The tabbed interface is really nice. It’s definitely an underrated feature.
- I wish it had super advanced rules like you get with MailMate. But what it offers is fine for 99% of users.
Again, I might be missing some settings to correct some of these issues, so take it all with a grain of salt. But these are my takeaways after about a month of usage.
Search is great?
One of my biggest issues with Thunderbird is that I can never find emails I want.
It has the most powerful search of any email client I’ve used. That was one of the reasons I switched. What issues have you had?
Search works really well for me. Definitely reveals a less aesthetic side of Thunderbird but it works!
Aworks to archive messages btw, I’m not sure about a shortcut for labels though.In all fairness, my usage is still minimal at this point. I’ve only searched a couple of times, but the thing I needed popped right up. Maybe my experience will change over time.
What a weird thing to read. I open my work’s email in thunderbird because the search is so good. Outlook is really slow when searching for something and so so tedious.
Just been using Gmail in the browser
Webmail, Outlook or Mac Mail.
I couldn’t handle all the changes to outlook over the past year or so. I’ve been pretty impressed by Thunderbird. It’s not perfect, but it keeps getting better and better with each release.
Anything in a browser, I try not to install things if I can help it
I wonder when they’ll rebrand K9 to Thunderbird for Android
There are going to be two clients for an unspecified period of time. Same code base, different branding. It’s not possible to take an existing app released through the app stores and rebrand it. The new Thunderbird app will have import tools to help folks transition.
I mean you can rebrand an app, just not the package name. And users won’t see that. So they could rename it Thunderbird even though the package name would stay “com.fsck.k9”. It’s not at all uncommon.
Though I’m sure they have their reasons for not doing that.
They also don’t want to upset people who prefer the K-9 branding among other things.
That seems to be the answer as I’ve understood it
Unfortunate, all the new users I know would prefer TB branding, or at least a toggle button in the Settings. The icon and name throw them off since they are already Desktop users.
I’ve been using Betterbird for a good 6 months and it’s the best email client I’ve used, it’s what Thunderbird should be out of the box. With the Proton bridge app running in the background it integrates very well.
What is especially good about Betterbird in your opinion?
It’s Thunderbird but with bugfixes and additional features. Bugfixes I like are being able to sort by attachment and minimize to my tray. Features I like are regex searching/filtering (including encrypted messages), opening to the same folder every time, being able to change message headers, being able to directly open links in messages I’m writing, maybe a few more I’m forgetting. Regex searching is the top used additional feature for me.
Since BB isn’t a hard fork of TB, it stays up to date with bugfixes and features that new TB versions include, and they often restore existing features that new TB releases break or remove (at least 4 in the last major release v115), and are open about breaking features in new versions (like IMAP folder corruption in both TB and BB v128.0 that they say they hope will be fixed in v128.3.0).
Thanks for the explanation! I’ll try BetterBird
Np, I’d be interested to hear about other people’s experiences with it, good or bad.
I saw the popularity on AUR several times and installed but couldn’t figure out why people use it.
Their website cites GDPR or whatever and is honestly kindof meh.
I was interested in the conversation layout, advanced email headers and recoloring things like folders but idk if they have that or not.
Also I’ve always been annoyed that half the dialogs are integrated tabs and the compose email is a window that can’t be nested. I can’t remember if they fixed that or not.
I wasn’t personally impressed by the logo, it reminded me of a 2000s Mozilla but maybe that was intended. It didn’t have enough distinguishment from other Mozilla products while communicating that it was for Email or related to Thunderbird. It honestly looks like a browser.
/opinion
Try Claws Mail too while you’re at it, if you’re on Linux. Most powerful email client on Linux, with everything OP mentioned (some of it available as plugins, but your distro should install those too).
And like every new Thunderbird feature, before I upgrade, I wonder in what innovative way Mozilla has made it worse than the previous version. Particularly:
- What UI change will make it less user friendly than before? E.g. the giant “New message” button and the teeny-tiny but much more useful “Get new message” button next to it, or the broken thread mode in the sent folder.
- Astonishingly slow-to-clear calendar notifications
- Even more astonishing memory usage that keeps on ballooning
I don’t look forward to this new release making its way to my distro’s packages, because I’m rarely impressed by new Mozilla releases of any kind.
I particular look forward to the native exchange integration.
Email already works, but is behind a feature flag still. But it’s finally visibly progressing.
